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Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:03 PM

How long should Speaker Pelosi hold up the Articles from the Senate?

No doubt, she would be constantly criticized by the Republicans, as she is already. Should she turn over the Articles as soon as they return from Christmas break?

Or should she continue to hold them back until she is assured of a fair trial in the Senate? Would the constant attacks hurt Pelosi and the Democrats? Or would it backfire on the Republicans because a huge majority actually support witnesses coming forth?

In my opinion, the attacks might hurt the Democrats in the short run, but in the long run (3 or 4 months) it will be a huge positive for Pelosi and the Democrats. They would need to take a stand and stick with it, for this to happen.

Nobody knows where Nancy stands on this at the moment. Many believe she will submit the Articles soon after they return. But, in my opinion, it will not harm the Democrats if she holds the Articles so long as McConnell and the Repubs refuse to have a fair trial.

Some have said the Senate could have a trial without the Articles? But, if they did, what would prevent the House from sending over the Articles as soon as they voted to acquit?

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Reply How long should Speaker Pelosi hold up the Articles from the Senate? (Original post)
kentuck Dec 2019 OP
C_U_L8R Dec 2019 #1
RainCaster Dec 2019 #11
RockRaven Dec 2019 #2
LovingA2andMI Dec 2019 #3
FBaggins Dec 2019 #4
CanonRay Dec 2019 #5
ripcord Dec 2019 #35
MineralMan Dec 2019 #6
Blueplanet Dec 2019 #23
Pachamama Dec 2019 #34
yortsed snacilbuper Dec 2019 #7
pandr32 Dec 2019 #8
3Hotdogs Dec 2019 #9
Cattledog Dec 2019 #10
gibraltar72 Dec 2019 #12
RT Atlanta Dec 2019 #13
kentuck Dec 2019 #14
RichardRay Dec 2019 #20
lastlib Dec 2019 #43
Fiendish Thingy Dec 2019 #15
Eyeball_Kid Dec 2019 #16
Frustratedlady Dec 2019 #17
Baltimike Dec 2019 #18
Pachamama Dec 2019 #31
kentuck Dec 2019 #32
WhiteTara Dec 2019 #19
Doremus Dec 2019 #21
Me. Dec 2019 #22
dvan Dec 2019 #24
Thunderbeast Dec 2019 #25
OnDoutside Dec 2019 #26
keithbvadu2 Dec 2019 #27
Aquaria Dec 2019 #28
Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #29
Polybius Dec 2019 #37
Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #38
LakeArenal Dec 2019 #30
bluestarone Dec 2019 #33
TeamPooka Dec 2019 #36
MurrayDelph Dec 2019 #39
LiberalFighter Dec 2019 #40
Hekate Dec 2019 #41
backscatter712 Dec 2019 #42

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:04 PM

1. Until McConnell grows a chin

and some integrity.

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:23 PM

11. McTurtle has many chins, but no spine

You're right though-- not an ounce of integrity.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:06 PM

2. At minimum, don't let him be acquitted in a sham trial before SOTU.

Make him give his last SOTU whilst impeached but not yet "exonerated."

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:08 PM

3. As long as necessary...

There is no rush.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:09 PM

4. Until she wins concessions or it starts to hurt the party

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:10 PM

5. Forever if need be

The Senate rules say they can't start until the House names the Impeachment Managers. She won't do so until McChinless agrees to a fair trial. Let the assholes twist in the wind until his head blows up.

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:17 AM

35. Remember the Senate rules on impeachment can be changed with a simple majority vote (NT)

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:11 PM

6. I doubt she'll hold them for long after Congress returns on 1/7/20.

Meanwhile, all of the Senators are back in their home states. While they're there, one hopes they'll hear a bit from their constituents, read the major newspapers in their states, and get a better idea of what the locals are thinking. One hopes.

In any case, I expect the Articles to be delivered to the Senate not long after Congress returns. Most people didn't even think about the recess, including most news media talkers. It was a given that the Articles of Impeachment would not be delivered to the Senate before the holiday recess.

Once everyone is back in DC, I'm certain they will be delivered in due course to Moscow Mitch and his merry band of miscreants.

The delay was automatic and built into the timing of the impeachment vote. That the media did not recognize that is just one more piece of evidence that they are operating in the dark.

Silliness. This delay could have been predicted by anyone.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 03:09 PM

23. I agree MineralMan

Congress will probably deliver the Articles to the Senate as soon as they return from recess. He was impeached on Wednesday, Congress recessed on Friday. It was possible that they would wait until after the recess to deliver the Articles.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:30 AM

34. Here is an excellent opinion editorial calling it the "Pelosi Pause"

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:13 PM

7. Forever,

let them stew.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:17 PM

8. She should and will hold them back

...until a fair trial is assured.
Let's not forget Nancy Pelosi held tight on resisting calls to impeach in the first place. She is a very serious and talented leader who will not play fast and loose with something as important as the impeachment of a president just because others do not have her judiciousness and patience. This isn't a show.
We stood virtually no chance of proper impeachment proceedings in the Senate until Madame Speaker did as she did. Already a few Republicans have signaled support to allow witnesses and evidence.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:19 PM

9. At very least, until January 2nd.

Ruin his fuckin' holidays.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:19 PM

10. Until Mitch does her a favor.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:28 PM

12. As long as necessary.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:30 PM

13. "It's an election year..."

IIRC, major decisions are not supposed to be made during election years. Maybe Speaker Pelosi waits until after the November election.

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Response to RT Atlanta (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:33 PM

14. Interesting!

It would be like an ankle bracelet on Donald Trump, just daring him to screw up just one more time.

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Response to RT Atlanta (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:56 PM

20. I *like* it!! n/t

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Response to RT Atlanta (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:36 PM

43. Send 'em after the GOPher convention.

Dog him with it every day on the campaign trail. If it looks like it's going to wrap up before the election, impeach him again! (There will surely be something else to impeach him for by then.) Keep MoscowMitch in Washington conducting trials for the entire campaign season. Let these mofo's twist in the wind with it for weeks!

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:37 PM

15. As long as necessary, but definitely after the SOTU nt

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:44 PM

16. Simple answer: until McConnell guarantees that the top four WH witnesses will testify,

and the White House gives to Congress ALL requested documents.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:47 PM

17. Until the courts say a subpoena must be honored or Bolton steps forward to testify without one.

It may only take one court order to scare the Repukes to honor the subpoenas.

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Response to Frustratedlady (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:54 PM

18. This

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Response to Frustratedlady (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 06:55 PM

31. +10000

Exactly

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Response to Frustratedlady (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:23 PM

32. Well said!

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:55 PM

19. Until she decides it's time to move on.

Not one minute before.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:58 PM

21. Until Mitch blinks. As long as it takes. nt

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 02:24 PM

22. Until They "Yield"

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 04:11 PM

24. As long as it takes turtle to agree to fair rules, but

Then just send one article, and hold the other until after the election. If we take the Senate, then send the other article.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 04:20 PM

25. Until four GOP Senators negotiate a fair trial with witnesses

Willl Romney, Gardner, Murkowski, and Collins stand up to McConnell? I hope so. Romney would have support from home state Utah. Murkowski could maintain her independent status with Alaskans. Collins, Gardner, (along wirh McSally, Ernst, and Tillis would probably join the revolt since their fealty to Trump puts them in serious jeopardy back home.

Pelosi is playing this right. She has the high ground right now. Polling favors conviction. Let the trial drag on through election season if POTUS insists on blocking witnesses. SCOTUS would likely express the case and hopefully force Barr, Pompeo, Guliani, and others to testify. While those three would likely perjure themselves, documentary evidence would sink his fantasy of innocence.

A resignation for pardons might be possible. New York State could still go after The Trump Organization for financial crimes.

In any case, I think his position is much weaker while Pelosi controls the conditions for trial. Stalemate would likely reduce the chances of the GOP holding the Senate. This, above all, puts Mitch on a box.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 04:23 PM

26. 4 EVA !!! That said, if I were Trump, I would order McConnell to

agree to the Democrats demands immediately. Why ? Because they can use their well worn tactics of attacking anyone who isn't on their side, plus the Republican Senators are gutless and will vote for Trump regardless. Once that's done, Trump can spend the rest of the year preaching that he was cleared and innocent. Nothing is going to change republican voters, but he can spend the rest of the time trying to win back the independent voters in key states. He's actually hurting himself by blocking witnesses.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 04:24 PM

27. As long as Merrick Garland waited?

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 04:32 PM

28. As long as it keeps the treasonous fat filth filling his 6XL Depends.

 

Or until Merrick Garland gets his Supreme Court seat.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 04:32 PM

29. Until the president is re elected.

 

Until then keep adding articles and keep investigating. If the senate wants the investigations to stop, they know what to do.

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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #29)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:15 PM

37. So you think he's going to be re-elected for sure?

I think it's possible, but depends on many things we don't know yet.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #37)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:31 PM

38. No. I just think that's the only case the articles should be sent to the senate.

 

So if he's not re elected, then they did their jobs.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 04:34 PM

30. Until she decides.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 07:39 PM

33. Nancy knows when!

That's good enough for me!

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:55 AM

36. Oct 12th 2020

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:36 PM

39. How about the afternoon

of Tuesday, February 4.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:40 PM

40. With the release of the emails makes it more difficult for Moscow Mitch.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:43 PM

41. As long as Mme Speaker feels it is necessary. She has been right so far, & has earned our trust.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:11 PM

42. Until Mitch agrees to witnesses and concessions.

One of those concessions - Republicans who have already made statements to the effect of "We don't need a trial, I'm already voting to acquit" like Moscow Mitch and Lindsey Graham should be made to recuse themselves.

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