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kentuck

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Sun Dec 22, 2019, 03:41 PM Dec 2019

What the truth appears to be?

It appears to be much more serious than what has been reported thus far.

Yes, Donald Trump wanted Ukraine to help him destroy the reputation of one of his political opponents and withheld much-needed military aid as a means to accomplish his goal. Then, he tried to cover it up.

He had Rudy Giuliani in Ukraine working to tear down any opposition to his plans, including firing the Ukraine Ambassador, Marie Yovonovitch. He and Rudy were getting advice from Paul Manafort from prison before they went on their Ukraine mission.

But the bigger story appears to be about "who was paying Rudy Giuliani"? And for what purpose?

Rudy was working with two Ukraine nationals out of Florida and other Ukrainian officials from a previous regime in Ukraine. Rudy was being paid by one of the Ukraine nationals, Lev Parnas, who was getting his support from Dmitry Firtash, a close friend of Putin who was exiled in Vienna, Austria. The last reports were that Rudy was paid $500,000 for his most recent efforts.

The purpose of Firtash's money to Parnas and Giuliani appears to have been to tear down the struggling Ukraine government with lies and propaganda. All their efforts in Ukraine was to help Vladimir Putin and Russia, including Donald Trump's withholding of aid to the new Ukrainian president.

On closer inspection, it does look like Donald Trump was assisting with this Russian effort in Europe and the United States. Whether intentional or not, he was helping to weaken the democracies around the world, including the United States. Why was he doing it? That is a question we have not yet answered.

It has been reported that Firtash was getting his funding directly from Putin, before funneling it to Rudy and his associates? This appears to be the larger truth in this investigation.

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What the truth appears to be? (Original Post) kentuck Dec 2019 OP
Deplorable was the right word after all. Karadeniz Dec 2019 #1
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