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I wanted to wait for Christmas to wind down before discussing an encounter I had on Tuesday at a local hobby shop.
My primary hobby is birding, but if I cant get out for whatever reason, I also like to build model aircraft. Right now, Im building a 1:48 P-47D Thunderbolt, and I plan on printing decals to match the markings of a plane my grandfather was photographed flying in 1945. He was a flight instructor and would presumably have flown trainers most of the time, but flew a Jug at least once. I want to make this as accurate as possible, which meant getting the right shade of yellow-green for the wheel wells. That, in turn, meant going to the hobby shop to buy a small jar of it because yes, Im that picky. (Im not the only one. They sell paint that precisely, or so were told, matches the interiors of the fighters for pretty much every nation involved in WW2 and, if appropriate, each branch that operated aircraft.)
So, anyway
Somebody to my right said something. Thats the side where my ear doesnt work very well, so I didnt know if he was talking to me. Evidently, he was, because he repeated it, loudly and, I could sense, with some annoyance Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas, I responded.
Evidently, he was one of two people in that hobby shop who considered themselves front-line infantry in the imaginary War on Christmas, and that this particular hobby shop was going to be a new front.
Its the liberal left that wont let us say Merry Christmas anymore! We have to say Happy Holidays! What a bunch of politically correct bullshit!
The other fellow sat nearby, nodding along with his friends tirade.
Im serious about this whole War on Christmas thing being imaginary. Im constantly reminded of the Vietnam-era peacenik slogan, Suppose they gave a war and nobody came. That nobody burst into the hobby shop to drag this enemy of PC off to a FEMA camp should have revealed to this particular culture warrior that he was the only one there fighting some sort of pretend war, but it didnt. He kept yammering on about it. About how people who dont celebrate Christmas should just get over it. About how Happy Holidays is actually offensive to Jewish people or should be, if theyd pay attention to their own traditions because Hanukkah is a season, not a holiday. About how this run-amok political correctness is destroying America. And so on.
I kept my mouth shut through this. I really just wanted my jar of Tamiya XF-4 Yellow Green, and maybe a few minutes to browse the aircraft kits for sale.
Then he said something that called for a response: You know, teachers and professors arent allowed to say Merry Christmas anymore. Not that it matters, since theyre all a bunch of liberal Marxists who want to destroy America from within.
I'm a professor at a public university. I do say Have a good holiday when responding to a student at this time of year, but its not university policy, and its not a sense of moral arrogance. Its a matter of courtesy. Yes, most of my students celebrate Christmas, but not all of them. Some celebrate Hanukkah. Others may celebrate something else. I dont want to presume to guess which one. So I say have a good holiday on the theory that the student will either be celebrating some sort of holiday or enjoying winter break, and that my statement will be understood not as political correctness, but a wish that the student has a good holiday.
So I spoke up. Actually, were not forbidden to say Merry Christmas. Many of us do prefer to say have a good holiday
Because youre worried youre gonna get sued, he said.
No, I replied. Im not afraid of getting a nasty email, either. But I think its polite to be as inclusive as possible. Dont you?
He started back on his list of reasons for wanting to be offended. People need to lighten up! Its meant as a good thing, dont they know! Pretty soon, we wont even be allowed to celebrate Christmas!
I didnt say anything after that.
I would have told him some people actually do find Merry Christmas somewhat offensive, and that they have a legitimate reason to feel that way they dislike the assumption that the majority applies to all, especially when theres been a long history of their traditions being suppressed. We could brush it off with dont be so sensitive, or we could try to understand why some people might feel strongly about this.
I would then have told him that I had a choice I could decide to make my holiday wish into a political statement, knowing that I might offend some people and feel offended when the other person expresses offense (or even has the audacity to respond with Happy Hanukkah or whatever). Or I could express a genuine wish that someone have a nice holiday, whichever holiday is involved. Which wouldnt offend anyone and would actually reflect the spirit of goodwill and kindness this season is supposed to embody.
But the best part came as he left the store. Im still going to say Merry Christmas! And its my Second Amendment right to say it!
Anyway I got the paint.
dhol82
(9,352 posts)Some people can be so bizarre.
cab67
(2,992 posts)dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)I have found myself in a few situations, where it benefited me to keep my mouth shut, such as lunch with my husband's potential customers, etc. I find it incredibly difficult, especially when they bring up Obama.
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)catrose
(5,065 posts)and "Happy Holidays" when I wanted to buy religious Christmas cards--that was back in the days when you sent cards to everyone you ever met (and enrolled your daughter to hand-write addresses and messages). He told me he was sure that some people on his list were Jewish, and it was best to go with something indeterminate, because Christmas cards were supposed to make people feel good.
I don't think he'd be a Republican today.
cab67
(2,992 posts)I was taught to address people as they wish to be addressed, and to not presume anything about someone you've just met.
Cosmocat
(14,563 posts)All I want is to cover all the bases, its that fucking simple.
But, this was early in the process of conservatives gas lighting the brains out of this country. LONG before Trump was a thing.
Why this country puts up with this shit is beyond any reason.
brewens
(13,574 posts)site. It just had "holiday" gifts. Not a mention of Christmas or anything Christmassy at all during the holidays. That reminded me of Olbermann busting O'Reilly the first year he started in with the war on Christmas. Freakin' Factor "holiday gear! Not Merry Christmas gear. The same with Hannity and whoever else was selling their shit on there. Then they took the store part of the web site down if I remember right. Billdo and Hannity lost all their holiday sales over that!
PghTiny
(276 posts)you do _NOT_ have the Christmas spirit, for starters.
Mariana
(14,854 posts)until you've had some Christian, upon hearing the word "holiday" spoken in December, rise up in a self-righteous rage and snarl at you, "It's CHRIST!!!mas! Say CHRIST!!!mas! Merry CHRIST!!!mas!"
CottonBear
(21,596 posts)And, she said Why dont you say Merry Christmas?
I didnt tell her that in the UK that Happy Christmas is the standard greeting.
She was also unhappy that there is such a thing as a doggie advent calendar, when I mentioned that our dog had just enjoyed her Christmas Day treat from her Aldi Dog treat Advent Calendar.
I told her it was just a fun, secular treat for dogs.
Maeve
(42,279 posts)He loves that it confuses people!
Yeah, that's why we're still married after 43 years...
CottonBear
(21,596 posts)Happy Christmas and New Year! ⭐️ 🌲 ⭐️
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,848 posts)I'll just say this. As someone who is very secular and not at all religious (I was raised Catholic, married a Jewish man, raised our two sons within Judaism and neither one thinks of himself as Jewish) I do find "Merry Christmas" greetings a bit odd and off putting. But I recognize I'm the one here who is taking them as odd and off-putting. And that those saying "Merry Christmas" to me are intending to convey good tidings for the season. And so I say "Merry Christmas" back. The same with any other seasonal greetings. I respond in kind.
We don't need to tell everyone our particular take on these things, nor do we need to know anyone else's. We just respond appropriately.
Oh, and in my experience, it's not that hard to be nice to others.
wnylib
(21,431 posts)over it is to just say, "whatever," and go on about your business. Just dismiss the whole thing for the nonsense that it is. Sure, they will likely try to continue it but shrug it off. A non-combative attitude of "you do your thing and I'll do mine" attitude, as your first amendment right.
They want a fight. I don't give it to them. I just act like the whole thing is silly and I really don't care to discuss it.
When I was a kid looking over the cards my parents received, I thought that Happy Holidays was just a short cut to include New Year. We got the HH cards from relatives as well as from businesses and acquaintances whose religion we didn't know. When I realized that it was a holiday season for Jews, and that some Xtians celebrate New Year but not Xmas , it just semed like the considerate phrase to use when not sure. Nothing in Xtianity makes rudeness a requirement for holiday celebrations.
Martin Eden
(12,863 posts)Wingnuts who cite the Constitution usually reveal their ignorance when doing so.
If they were really concerned about preserving our Constitutional rule of law they wouldn't support Trump.