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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLoving the fetus is easy, loving the living is not...when your soul is dead or evil or both..
Exactly this
Oh and they hate women having agency...
ismnotwasm
(41,965 posts)tblue37
(65,227 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,506 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(149,523 posts)HAB911
(8,867 posts)rickyhall
(4,889 posts)They're just a club to beat liberals with.
True_Blue
(3,063 posts)unless it's still in the womb
TheBlackAdder
(28,167 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,955 posts)From both Testaments
Matthew 25:35-46 ESV
For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me. Then the righteous will answer him, saying, Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you? ...
Deuteronomy 24:17-18 You shall not deprive a resident alien...of justice.
Hebrews 13:3 ESV / 583 helpful votes
Remember those who are in prison, as though in prison with them, and those who are mistreated, since you also are in the body.
Psalm 69:33 ESV
For the Lord hears the needy and does not despise his own people who are prisoners.
Matthew 4:24 ESV
So [Jesus] fame spread throughout all Syria, and they brought him all the sick, those afflicted with various diseases and pains, those oppressed by demons, epileptics, and paralytics, and he healed them.
Proverbs 31:8-9 (NIV)
Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy.
About the "unborn":
When Tamar was found to have been pregnant from harlotry, well, there was only one thing for it! Judah proclaimed that she had to be put to death in accordance with the law, and the unborn child right along with her. Since she was the daughter of a priest (Melchizedek, I believe), rather than being stoned, shed be granted burning, with molten metal being poured down her throat for a quicker death than being hit with rocks. Now remember that Judah knew that hed been with a Sacred Prostitute even if he didnt know it was Tamar, so just contemplate the level of hypocrisy at work here. It wasnt until Tamar produced the tokens hed given her that he realized the baby was his, and stayed the execution.
So in this story, I see the Bible saying that killing an unborn child is necessary when its not a child conceived in a way the mothers society wants. Also, that the mother should die along with it, because of engaging in an act the sentencer himself had done.
Hosea: Progeny of the Rebellious Shall Not be Born
Sotah: Abortion-Inducing Potion due to Husbands Jealousy
In Numbers 5, we have instructions given by God to Moses regarding situations where a husband is fiercely jealous of his wife, and there arent witnesses to prove whether she did or did not have an affair.
Causing a Miscarriage: Mere Property Loss
Exodus 21:22-25: the ambiguity is gone when you review more direct translations than the poetic euphemisms of the King James Version. For example, from the Complete Jewish Bible:
22 If people are fighting with each other and happen to hurt a pregnant woman so badly that her unborn child dies, then, even if no other harm follows, he must be fined. He must pay the amount set by the womans husband and confirmed by judges. 23 But if any harm follows, then you are to give life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound and bruise for bruise.
TheBlackAdder
(28,167 posts).
The majority of passages actually discount unborn life, until the first breath.
There's a stretch about two fighting men injuring a pregnant woman, but that's the best they have. Most all other deaths of preborn are just met with a simple fine.
LDS and others try to claim that God knows everyone, who were formed in the womb by dust blowing up into there, since they had no idea how conception started in the Bronze Age. Even it that is true, God kills many fetuses, children and pregnant women, allows other fetuses, children and pregnant women to die at the hands of people, etc, so there is no justification to say that the one in the womb wasn't destined to die from planned termination.
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Hekate
(90,556 posts)...you soon realize that, to them, pregnancy is the very visible punishment for a woman's sins; and that those sins are to have unauthorized sex, and to enjoy it, but that sex itself is also dirty and shameful.
There's your patriarchy, right there -- control of women at the most fundamental level. So really no surprise to me that the same people are also against contraception.
As for Jesus, his teachings are proof that he cared deeply for people already born into this suffering world -- just as the pastor quoted in the OP said.
TheBlackAdder
(28,167 posts)Karadeniz
(22,470 posts)enid602
(8,594 posts)I think Harlotry might have impregnated me at one point. I really can't remember.
CrispyQ
(36,421 posts)I like this one, too:
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)speak for itself. That is the basic nature of "faith".
3Hotdogs
(12,324 posts)They don't send bombs to other countries, put battery cables up each others asses in death rows. Yup. Chickens are good people.
Now, the unborn, as George also said, once you're out of the womb, the right-to-lifers don't give a shit about you. Need food? You're fucked. Need medicine? You're fucked. They don't give a shit about you until and if you're an 18 year old male. Then suddenly, you become important.
Grins
(7,195 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,652 posts)He earned his Ph.D. in homiletics and social ethics from Vanderbilt University, and is an ordained elder in the North Alabama Conference of the United Methodist Church.
https://davebarnhart.wordpress.com/
erlewyne
(1,115 posts)Flavius Josephus writes about men spewing on the ground instead
of going into the womb. He was disgusted at this practice that
occurred at the orgies after religious activities. He is writing about
before Christianity.
You ever wonder why Julius Caesar was known for his sexual escapades
but never had children except for Cleopatra? It was because Cleopatra
was the untouched (he raped her) queen of Egypt and he was Jack
Shit. He wanted to be king.
Ohiogal
(31,909 posts)3catwoman3
(23,947 posts)Ive long said that unless someone is prepared to adopt the baby that someone else plans to abort, or otherwise support it until it can do so itself s an adult, butt out. None of your business.
ck4829
(35,038 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)58Sunliner
(4,372 posts)Thunderbeast
(3,400 posts)All about abstinence.
Sex is an evil reminder that we are animals.
Those egghead intellectuals tell us that we are primates. Those "evil urges" are just another reminder.
We can not take joy from the gifts of our body unless we pay the "price" of bearing a child...wanted or not. Uncoupling copulation from pregnancy by using contraceptives, or if necessary, abortion, makes it too easy for women to not be accountable. Men?...not so much.
It is all bronze age nonsense.
paleotn
(17,881 posts)You know, tree, snake, apple, that whole slog. To them, women are a necessary evil, but must be tightly controlled lest they fall for the same trick Adam did. Fundies have been in a twist about women since...well...always.
CrispyQ
(36,421 posts)They even co-opted the birth process and crafted Eve from one of Adam's ribs.
My rwnj religious cousin about flipped his lid when I told him this.
paleotn
(17,881 posts)why did God got to all the trouble of putting Adam to sleep, slicing out a rib and then making a woman out of it? Why didn't he just make her the same way he made Adam? Dust and viola! Woman. It makes no sense even from a practical standpoint...unless...as you said, control is their game.
mwb970
(11,346 posts)The things they said in Sunday School often directly contradicted the science books I was always checking out of the library. So did the Santa Claus story. I never really bought either of them.
Karadeniz
(22,470 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)They know that once kids have verifiable information, their bullshit is much harder to sell.
StarryNite
(9,435 posts)calimary
(81,110 posts)Bookmarking this one!
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)PatrickforO
(14,558 posts)Abortion needs to be legal in all states without restrictions up to third trimester.
Birth control needs to be universally available.
Schools need to teach sex education and have classes on healthy relationships and on parenting.
Hekate
(90,556 posts)...the most draconian anti-abortion laws at the time of Roe vs Wade simply left them on the books.
They didn't enforce these laws because Roe overruled them -- but Roe didn't erase them. Now there are a whole slew of even worse laws on the books, testing the boundaries, forcing their way up the chain of courts until they can get a SCOTUS hearing.
We "should" do a lot of things. But we have not.
PatrickforO
(14,558 posts)Time to roll over these anti-abortion fanatics and impose some common sense.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,587 posts)which feature pictures of adorable, chubby, healthy, smiling white (always white) babies, apparently at least 5-6 months old, not an embryo or fetus (the implications of baby-murdering being obvious). But who's caring for these adorable babies (probably stock photos from Google Images), and why do they seem healthy and happy? Not through any help from the anti-abortion movement, that's for sure.
paleotn
(17,881 posts)embryo looks like in the 1st trimester, when the vast majority of elective and spontaneous abortions occur. That would totally mess up the propaganda. It would also blow up their creationist bullshit at the same time. A twofer! Damn those human gills!! And the tail. Who said we had a tail?!
patphil
(6,150 posts)Pro-birthers should have to pay a special tax for the birth and upbringing of all those unwanted children they are so insistent must be born.
They should also have to pay for the pre-natal and post-natal care of the mother, including psychological counseling for the trauma of being forced to give birth.
In actuality, forced birth is an act of violence against woman; an act of dominance and control.
Patrick Phillips
lambchopp59
(2,809 posts)We've been through all this before, half a century ago. The humanitarian decision was painstakingly debated and rendered, and you are taking the place of god to force children into lives of poverty, torture, neglect or abuse because they were unwanted to begin with. If you aren't concerned about the babies and children already living, only objecting to the "welfare moms" because that might cost you another dollar in taxes, then Jesus Christ would walk the other side of the street to avoid you.
And now with an updated twist:
If you haven't shown concern for the 7 children who have died of neglect in Trump's concentration camps because you've decided they are somehow morally unfit to live, we're done talking.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)They insist that women bear children, but if those children need food aid or medical care, the women are on their own, while the religious right fight to cut food aid and programs like Medicaid and Healthcare services for poor children.
Hekate
(90,556 posts)I've never seen it put better.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,652 posts)He earned his Ph.D. in homiletics and social ethics from Vanderbilt University, and is an ordained elder in the North Alabama Conference of the United Methodist Church.
He has a blog at https://davebarnhart.wordpress.com/
He's definitely worth paying attention to, even when you aren't sure if you'll agree with what he has to say. For example, this entry should make progressives stop and think about how they phrase things and the assumptions they make.
https://davebarnhart.wordpress.com/2019/12/30/beware-this-kind-of-article/
Fyrefox
(300 posts)The old saying was that Republican concern for the unborn begins at conception, and ends at birth, at which point their "not my problem" mentality kicks in.
lordsummerisle
(4,651 posts)Response to lordsummerisle (Reply #52)
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