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Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 10:27 AM Dec 2019

You can feel the revisionism picking up speed in real time...



They are counting on people having short memories, most do... and the levels of tolerance for hate filled actions increase.



All of this. Same in the UK where hate crimes have multiplied ridiculously since Brexit.



Heh, racist nazi wankers.

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You can feel the revisionism picking up speed in real time... (Original Post) Soph0571 Dec 2019 OP
K & R...nt Wounded Bear Dec 2019 #1
Yup my father fought a war to defeat the Nazis Farmer-Rick Dec 2019 #2
Gee. Who would have the desire and wherewithal to divide people so grotesquely? Kid Berwyn Dec 2019 #3
Evil personified blm Dec 2019 #4
I wish it was JUST Putin... albacore Dec 2019 #5
+100 Duppers Dec 2019 #10
It wasn't so much HIS program that took root and grew JHB Dec 2019 #13
When I was about 8 or 9, we live on the near west side of Cleveland ... marble falls Dec 2019 #6
Powerful memory! FailureToCommunicate Dec 2019 #7
I lived in the Cleveland area for 5 years, in wnylib Dec 2019 #9
In a lot of good ways, those were the days. marble falls Dec 2019 #15
Trans Women of Color have always been at risk this way. maxsolomon Dec 2019 #8
There was a man being interviewed on MSNBC Skidmore Dec 2019 #11
There is nothing going on. Who said that, specifically? maxsolomon Dec 2019 #12
As I said, I didn't catch his introduction Skidmore Dec 2019 #14

Farmer-Rick

(10,163 posts)
2. Yup my father fought a war to defeat the Nazis
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 10:40 AM
Dec 2019

And the cowardly Trump family cheers them on.

The filthy rich don't give a crap about anything but more and more of our wealth in their pockets. That's why they put the bone spur coward in as president.

albacore

(2,398 posts)
5. I wish it was JUST Putin...
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 11:11 AM
Dec 2019

He and his hackers/minions have certainly done their best to stir-fry American politics and society. But. They tapped into a huge vein of hate in this country.
All his malicious activities wouldn't work if they fell on fallow ground, but the rich soil of American racism, paranoia, and anti-intellectualism allowed his program to take root and grow.

JHB

(37,159 posts)
13. It wasn't so much HIS program that took root and grew
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 03:50 PM
Dec 2019

All of this was fostered for decades by Movement Conservatives using and abusing every single tool they could find to gain a margin of electoral victory in order to pass an agenda that, by itself, isn't popular enough to win.

Allowing for technology, all of the tools were in play a quarter century ago. (Before Facebook, there were email-forwarding chains, wingnuts made it their mission to take over comment sections on general websites and forums, etc.)

Putin simply cloned a second set of controls.

marble falls

(57,080 posts)
6. When I was about 8 or 9, we live on the near west side of Cleveland ...
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 11:48 AM
Dec 2019

its the gentrifying "Ohio City" now - then it was a "DP" (displaced person) section of town.

Playing Army was a big pastime for kids and for some reason my younger sister, brother and I were the designated Germans. We would establish an ambush instead of going after the Americans. We would wait as long as it took for them to get antsy and come after us. We'd usually win.

One day we found a red flag used to mark a long load. We decided to make a German flag. We crayoned a swastika on it and asked our college freshman uncle to nail it to a piece of 2 x 2" and we marched (not goosestep) around the block. This was in the day where it really took a village to raise a kid and all the neighbors paid attention to the kids.

We got about half-way when we passed a man in his sixties from Serbia who was always giving us things from his garden and would talk to us about the Indians in very broken English. When he saw and more importantly the flag, he ran across his little front yard and vaulted the three foot wought iron fence and grabbed that flag aind ripped it up, all the time saying, "You good kids, bad flag!" repeatedly and very excitedly. He stayed our friend and we never made another "German" flag again. I'll never forget that. I believe that's when I started looking at war and the World WarII, more critically.

I learned racism at my grandfathers knee, I unlearned it at my step-father's dinner table. I began my research into antisemitism when a nice old man jumped his fence and ripped up my swastika.

Laurie Anderson has a lyric that says that when her father died she felt "like a library burnt down". I think that is so true, the Holocaust survivors who passing away these days so quickly are a bonfire of libraries and we are the worst off for it.

wnylib

(21,438 posts)
9. I lived in the Cleveland area for 5 years, in
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 01:33 PM
Dec 2019

a west side suburb and worked for a while at.a business on the near west side, back in the 1970's, so I know the area you described.

When I was a kid in Erie, my brothers and their friends played a game of Japanese against Americans. My oldest brother was born shortly after the war started and my father served with the Navy in the Pacific. I don't remember any of them using flags, just a lot of lobbing motions with verbal sound effects as if they were throwing grenades. They were imitating the war movies they had seen.

Besides my father there were other vets in the neighborhood. The adults intervened to suggest other activities. They wanted to put the war behind them and didn't like seeing the kids glorify it as a game.

Our neighborhood was like an extended family. We could not do something at one end if the block without our psrents knowing about it before we got home. Despite some individual differences, they shared many common values and a sense of responsibility to look after all the kids.

I think the Depression and the War gave my parents' generation a sense of community from going through bad times together.

maxsolomon

(33,327 posts)
8. Trans Women of Color have always been at risk this way.
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 01:23 PM
Dec 2019

It's not a new issue - it's an ongoing issue we're newly aware of because of the efforts of Trans Rights organizations.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
11. There was a man being interviewed on MSNBC
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 01:49 PM
Dec 2019

earlier about anti Semitic hate crimes. He referred to the intention of stopping them "both from right wing extremists and the radical left." Didn't catch his name but it stopped me in my tracks. I'm not aware of anyone in a radical left targeting any group for harm. Is there something going on we are uninformed?

maxsolomon

(33,327 posts)
12. There is nothing going on. Who said that, specifically?
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 03:34 PM
Dec 2019

What's going on is that liberal organizations arguing for Palestinian Rights are being smeared as Anti-Semitic by the RWNM. Likud =/= All Jews.

The attacks in NY and NJ are not "radical left" attacks. They're crazy-fucker attacks.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
14. As I said, I didn't catch his introduction
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 03:51 PM
Dec 2019

and his name wasn't on the chyron, I keep checking back for video.

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