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LonePirate

(13,407 posts)
1. Bolton, Mulvaney, Pompeo and others (even 45) should testify.
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 02:59 PM
Dec 2019

We should not demand specific witnesses. We should demand ALL witnesses.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
2. I think Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler (and maybe 1 or 2 others)
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 03:00 PM
Dec 2019

should be involved in any negotitation to get witnesses to testify. (Not just Bolton, but Mulvaney, Pompeo, Barr, Giuliani, Pence, Esper, etc)

Takket

(21,526 posts)
3. i don't think she can demand specifics like that.
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 03:09 PM
Dec 2019

what she needs is to open the door to witnesses and her impeachment managers can worry about the "who".

tableturner

(1,679 posts)
5. Yes she can! Why not? Everything is based upon winning the PR war, just like with govt. shutdown.
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 04:11 PM
Dec 2019

The pressure is all on Mitch and a group of GOP senators with tough reelection campaigns coming, plus those like Romney, who cannot stand Trump, and I believe wants to be on the side of a fair trial, and who also wants to protect his legacy. He's not giving up the rule of law and his legacy for this vile president who has abused him. Pelosi needs to hold out until a fair trial is guaranteed. And yes, that means the testimony of certain specific witnesses must be written in stone. Anything else is tantamount to trusting Mitch, something that can NOT be done!

Here's the winning meme: "Mitch is holding out for a sham, rigged trial".

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
6. No. She can't tell the Senate how to conduct their trial
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 04:41 PM
Dec 2019

And if she tries, she loses the upper hand.

Notice that she didn't say she's holding on to the articles until they guarantee a fair trial or promise to call certain witnesses. Instead, she said she's holding on to them because she can't appoint managers until she knows what the process will be since she needs to appoint the right managers for the process that will be put into place.

Takket's right - let her managers handle it.

pnwmom

(108,952 posts)
7. An attorney friend on FB was speculating about an option for Pelosi recently.
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 04:48 PM
Dec 2019

What do you think about this? Is it plausible? Unlikely but possible? Impossible?

I wonder about whether the Speaker has considered sending the Articles over to the Senate while simultaneously having the House Managers address subpoenas to the Chief Justice for his signature and issuance, forcing the Chief Justice to rule on the issue immediately. It would take a Senate vote to prevent the Chief Justice from signing the subpoenas as presiding Judge at the Trial, and that would NOT be a good look for the Senate. At all. It would also pre-empt McConnell's strategy to hear a Motion to Dismiss the Articles before anything else is done, because the Chief Justice, in ruling FOR subpoenas and further evidence to be adduced, would perhaps also have to rule that there is a prima facie case, so a Motion to Dismiss would be improper.

I realize this is in the weeds a bit, but the Democrats have to anticipate a kangaroo court, and the best way to deal with it is pre-emption of those tactics openly and publicly. First, supersede the Articles with new information.Since you have passed Articles of Impeachment, why does that NOT trigger the involvement of the Chief Justice? There is no law or rule that says you cannot invoke his authority until the Senate receives the Articles. This is in the nature of a pretrial Motion, isn't it? Second, bombard the Chief with discovery demands to take the momentum away from Mitch. Third, ask the SCOTUS for an expedited Hearing on the pending appeals on Trump's documents, financials, and all other evidence issues, so the Chief is guided by the full Court in his responses to these issues at the Senate Trial. Why not? Where does it say you cannot? And every time Mitch opposes you, he looks more unfair, more dishonest, and more violative of his Oath.
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