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trof

(54,256 posts)
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:14 PM Jan 2020

I'm 78. I did not want my last years to be like this.

I don't know how long I have left.
Actuarially it could be 5-7 years, but who knows.

I suffered one fool in the white house and we somehow managed to survive it.
Sort of, oh except for the Iraq 'war'.
Now I've got a totally incompetent narcissistic idiot.
shit

On top of that I learn (suspicions confirmed) that MY government lied their asses off about Viet Nam, up and down, backwards and forwards, inside out.
MY war.
bastards

Fuck this.
I'm done.
I no longer salute when the flag goes by.
I don't recite the pledge of allegiance any more.

I will die a bitter old man who late in life discovered that his nation was NOTHING like what he had been sold all of his life.

And global climate change?
Don't even get me started.

End of rant

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I'm 78. I did not want my last years to be like this. (Original Post) trof Jan 2020 OP
Nationalism sucks safeinOhio Jan 2020 #1
"the measles of mankind," Einstein called it. lastlib Jan 2020 #37
I feel the same oldtime dfl_er Jan 2020 #2
Remember when you could hear the national anthem at a baseball game and not wonder if... Girard442 Jan 2020 #15
Thank you for putting what is also my story into words. pazzyanne Jan 2020 #59
Me too. Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #61
yup jackcrow2001 Jan 2020 #77
Yeah, so true. Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #86
Take a vow to outlive drumph - it does help. BSdetect Jan 2020 #3
Sharing a family motto: Outlive the bastard! JohnnyLib2 Jan 2020 #6
I'm with you, trof. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2020 #4
I feel you.. dhill926 Jan 2020 #5
Here's to outliving the orange baboon Blecht Jan 2020 #7
I remember on election night, back when I was a mere 53, maxsolomon Jan 2020 #8
At 73 am with you but would quibble about only *one* fool in the WH over years. UTUSN Jan 2020 #9
Yes starting with Raygun and Bush CIA I Contra burrowowl Jan 2020 #19
1963 broke us. librechik Jan 2020 #72
Been thinking the same damn thing for months! :-( Raven Jan 2020 #10
Do What You Can For Good DanieRains Jan 2020 #11
Oh how I share your Wellstone ruled Jan 2020 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author INdemo Jan 2020 #13
I'm 72 Sonny Mirviss Jan 2020 #20
I will soon be 72... Freedomofspeech Jan 2020 #30
Not this boomer Sonny Mirviss Jan 2020 #33
Good for you.... Freedomofspeech Jan 2020 #57
Yeah, Medicare, Medicaid, and that Great Society legislation really are overrated, aren't they? ehrnst Jan 2020 #71
Oh, they're fine Sonny Mirviss Jan 2020 #73
Please don't forget that American military "Advisors".... Toorich Jan 2020 #80
Yes, LBJ, the Texas Oil Man, lied us into the Vietnam War and yes erlewyne Jan 2020 #62
Many people agree with you, erlewyne! B Stieg Jan 2020 #88
I just wish bdamomma Jan 2020 #14
your anger, resentment, sense of betrayal is orleans Jan 2020 #16
Don't make yourself promises other people aren't likely to want to keep for you. Aussie105 Jan 2020 #17
After 2020, a tax revolt may be our only real means of dislodging the heinous ratfuckers Ponietz Jan 2020 #18
4 Months to 65 SCVDem Jan 2020 #21
Hang in there. Lonestarblue Jan 2020 #22
A nation, ultimately, is its people Martin Eden Jan 2020 #23
((trof)) blm Jan 2020 #24
Same here. BigmanPigman Jan 2020 #25
Recommended. H2O Man Jan 2020 #26
I know the flag belongs to us and not them; it's one reason I ended up with the VFP at marches... Hekate Jan 2020 #93
I'm 71 and I knew Toorich Jan 2020 #27
I just turned 72 xxqqqzme Jan 2020 #28
Happy belated Birthday. Wawannabe Jan 2020 #83
Thank you xxqqqzme Jan 2020 #87
Feeling the same way, Trof PlanetBev Jan 2020 #29
Life is sure different yuiyoshida Jan 2020 #31
I hope to live as long as you already have. But my view is a bit more Blue_true Jan 2020 #32
My parents are in their mid-80's RhodeIslandOne Jan 2020 #34
At 79 i feel your pain/anger/frustration tiredtoo Jan 2020 #35
I'm 75 and I absolutely refuse to die before the orange slug does. Croney Jan 2020 #36
I'm almost 76 and I feel exactly the same way. Mickju Jan 2020 #38
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #39
I'm 72 radical noodle Jan 2020 #40
I offer the inimitable words of my old buddy Steve. byronius Jan 2020 #41
Thanks for this. ZZenith Jan 2020 #49
Thank you for the most hopeful DU post I've read. yonder Jan 2020 #51
I hear you, trof Skittles Jan 2020 #42
Exactly. I for one, never really got over that. Where's Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #44
we all need to "look forward" Skittles Jan 2020 #45
We WILL defeat this monster and life will be good trof! Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #43
There's hope. Destroying Trump and this corrupt GOP is as easy and necessary as democratizing certainot Jan 2020 #46
I just realized how much anxiety is in my life now young_at_heart Jan 2020 #47
"I did not want my last years to be like this." myohmy2 Jan 2020 #48
What are your thoughts on American Exceptionalism? arthritisR_US Jan 2020 #50
meh Ain't no sucha thing. trof Jan 2020 #89
My thoughts exactly. arthritisR_US Jan 2020 #90
you deserve to be angry.. they did lie to you...to us.. samnsara Jan 2020 #52
You hit a real nerve G_j Jan 2020 #53
I'm a teeny tiny blip on the radar of history. I'm thankful that i lived at all. Kurt V. Jan 2020 #54
Trof, when we drop dead, others have to live on with what we leave. Hortensis Jan 2020 #55
As much as I agree with the statement, I don't find it credible. no_hypocrisy Jan 2020 #56
I'm 69 and I feel the same way. I'm actually spending time trying to figure out Nay Jan 2020 #58
I feel your pain brother HAB911 Jan 2020 #60
George Carlin was right. Initech Jan 2020 #63
Not to rain on your rant, but . . . MrModerate Jan 2020 #64
I'm 71 and wmarine Jan 2020 #65
They lied up and down about Iraq and Afghanistan too. AtheistCrusader Jan 2020 #66
righteous rant. trof.. Permanut Jan 2020 #67
Why do you only have 5 to 7 years left? Iwasthere Jan 2020 #68
What you wrote, I love: slide into my grave like it's home plate. JudyM Jan 2020 #82
At 82 I try to be a realistic optimist. BarbD Jan 2020 #69
Feeling the pain. I'm 75. kskiska Jan 2020 #70
Hey trof, great rant and here is why erlewyne Jan 2020 #74
I'm 70, and this young lady captures my feelings exactly. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 2020 #75
I love you because this is exactly where I go when i feel the darkness underthematrix Jan 2020 #76
He's waisted our precious time. We won't get that back, but we'll get America back. Baked Potato Jan 2020 #78
and i thought it was just me dweller Jan 2020 #79
I'll be 50 just before the election. Wawannabe Jan 2020 #81
"Non illegitimi carborundum" saidsimplesimon Jan 2020 #84
So sick of bad news. hamsterjill Jan 2020 #85
You've got a couple of years on me, trof, but I know where you're coming from... Hekate Jan 2020 #91
Yeah, I used to display the flag on 'patriotic' holidays. trof Jan 2020 #92

lastlib

(23,233 posts)
37. "the measles of mankind," Einstein called it.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 11:21 PM
Jan 2020

"an infantile disease."

Suffered by those whose minds are too small to take in the grandeur of humanity at its fullest.

oldtime dfl_er

(6,931 posts)
2. I feel the same
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:19 PM
Jan 2020

When fuckface mcorange was installed in the White House, it caused me to rethink everything I had ever been taught. I'm one of those who used to shed a small tear when I heard the national anthem. I studied Constitutional Law in college. I used to believe in this country and in that constitution. Tonight I am sick to my stomach.

Girard442

(6,071 posts)
15. Remember when you could hear the national anthem at a baseball game and not wonder if...
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:37 PM
Jan 2020

...you should stay seated, take a knee, or raise a middle finger?

pazzyanne

(6,555 posts)
59. Thank you for putting what is also my story into words.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 09:35 AM
Jan 2020

I grew up feeling love for my country and studied Constitutional Law in college. Based on what I learned, I naively "assumed" that the Constitution meant something to the future of our country. That has been destroyed by tRump and his ilk. I cannot believe that madman has risen above the law of the land and is desecrating the Constitution. Every. Single. Day! I have been sick to my stomach so long that I no longer remember when it progressed to occurring every day.

Farmer-Rick

(10,170 posts)
61. Me too.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 10:09 AM
Jan 2020

I'm about 10 years younger than the poster but the disillusionment in my country came with W. and his daddy's Supreme Court decision. Think of it. In a democracy our top court ruled NOT to count the votes. 5 handpicked corrupt judges handed our election to the guy with the least amount of votes.

Yeah, I heard the excuses those 5 RepubliCONS judges made. But our country was suppose to be a democracy and they chose the least democratic system possible. Democracy died that day and so did my patriotism.

I spent over 20 years in the Navy fighting for our country. My eyes would tear up when I stood at attention for taps. But after making LCDR, and seeing my countrymen happy about putting into office an idiot and liar, I lost all respect for the rulers of my country.

I started researching for the truth then. And found a pack of lies from religion to capitalism to democracy. We are fed lie after lie after lie to control us and use us.

jackcrow2001

(16 posts)
77. yup
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 02:42 PM
Jan 2020

21 year in the Navy....enlisted though, I can't forget being part of enforcing the no-fly zone's over Iraq in the nineties. Dunno if anyone remembers those, where nearly a third of Iraqi airspace was under NATO control...…. So when we went back to war with Iraq under Vice President Dick Cheney, pretty sure he made a good point during the first Iraq war about not taking out Saddam, break it buy it.....anyhow back to Iraq because of the threat Iraq posed to world peace.....wait? what? what was I doing for a big chunk of the nineties.... I really thought that I would never see a worse America after Bush/Cheney. Wow was I wrong.

Blecht

(3,803 posts)
7. Here's to outliving the orange baboon
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:23 PM
Jan 2020

As somebody upthread said -- stay healthy, and live to piss on the asshole's grave.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
8. I remember on election night, back when I was a mere 53,
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:23 PM
Jan 2020

I said "fuck, I'll be 61 before this asshole is gone". I still have hope that's not true; that I'll only be 57.

A pro-Bernie Millenial told me that night that Trump would be just what the country needed to turn to to Democratic Socialism.

Ah, so young...

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
12. Oh how I share your
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:30 PM
Jan 2020

story. Same age same feelings. Tomorrow I start flying our flag upside down much like we did when Bush and Cheney ran our Nation into the ground. Promised myself that I would out live the Orange Anus staining the Oval Office,just to see Justice rain on his ass.

Response to trof (Original post)

 

Sonny Mirviss

(77 posts)
20. I'm 72
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 10:16 PM
Jan 2020

And even I knew that LBJ was lying his ass off about the Gulf of Tonkin.

My old man called me and my pals in from the garage where we had been working on a car and made us watch that shit bird on TV as "He Lied straight faced as I cried".

Fuck LBJ, may he be rotting in hell!

No way was I going to get caught up in his clusterfuck.

My grandsons will not participate in this lie either.

*Do I still sound bitter? You bet I am.*

Freedomofspeech

(4,224 posts)
30. I will soon be 72...
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 10:53 PM
Jan 2020

Never did I believe that this time of my life would be filled with depression and anxiety....all because of that evil bastard in the "White" House. We were at my grandson's wrestling tournament the other day and when they played the national anthem, I became nauseous. I refused to say the pledge and would not even look at the flag. We baby boomers have really fucked up this world.

 

Sonny Mirviss

(77 posts)
33. Not this boomer
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 11:11 PM
Jan 2020

I found a MD who kept me and 100's of others out of LBJ's fiasco and counseled many more as we traveled the country organizing actions and protests.

We didn't end the war but we drove that bastard out of office.


*God I hated that asshole*

And frankly to this day I don't blame anyone who got out of the draft, however they accomplished it.

Freedomofspeech

(4,224 posts)
57. Good for you....
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 08:35 AM
Jan 2020

I lost my big brother to that useless war...my life was forever changed. Also lost a couple really good friends to Agent Orange. I so hate these chickenhawks who are ruining our country.

Toorich

(391 posts)
80. Please don't forget that American military "Advisors"....
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 03:09 PM
Jan 2020

.... were sent to Vietnam by Truman when the French needed help to prevent their rubber producing colony
from becoming communist. By the end of his term the US was paying 1/3 of France's war expenses. Our military presence was increased when Eisenhower thought it necessary to try to save Vietnam
from a "Domino theory" fall to communism. Under Ike, we up'd the game to 1000 Advisors and about
two billion dollars to the corrupt Diem government.
The shame is that the Vietnamese loved us at the end of WWII because we drove out the Japanese.

Kennedy thought it folly to be involved in Vietnam, but when he ran for president, he could not look
soft on communism. So, advisors went from 1000 up to 16,000. And tons of planes, boats, guns, armored
vehicles etc were given to Diem. We were in it up to our eyeballs when LBJ was sworn in. By that time it was
obvious our national "pride and prestige" were on the line. And, nobody wanted to appear soft on commies.

Lying rat-bastard Nixon campaigned on ending the war, but he and Kissinger sabotaged the Paris peace talks
to help with his reelection effort. As a result 1000's more were needlessly wounded or killed.

Let's not forget a 70-year ceasefire in Korea or the 20-year(and counting) War on Terror.

erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
62. Yes, LBJ, the Texas Oil Man, lied us into the Vietnam War and yes
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 10:23 AM
Jan 2020
Do I still sound bitter? You bet I am., 67,68, and 70, three years domn
the shithole. That makes me a shithole but I sure as hell didn't have bone-spurs.

I always dreamed of being 20 years old and my entire 20th year was a miserable
year in the infantry! When I got home I was treated like a shithole surrounded
by draft-dodgers.

Sonny Mirviss I have always said that LBJ was a liar and the Gulf of Tonkin
was a fabrication. It is a pleasure after 50 years to hear someone finally agree with
me. The Vietnam War was an OIL WAR, Shell Oil was involved. Look at the geology.
Vietnam, was an ideal place for fossil fuels. Every conflict is now for worthless
petroleum and money. The G.O.P. is evil.

The military service has made me hateful and distrusting. My apologies and I
do not share this with my great family ... they do not need it.

bdamomma

(63,849 posts)
14. I just wish
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:35 PM
Jan 2020

they did the cyberwar against his fucking properties.

Please just arrest his ass please.

orleans

(34,051 posts)
16. your anger, resentment, sense of betrayal is
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 09:57 PM
Jan 2020

certainly not unique--and definitely not unique here.

you are so NOT alone my friend

Aussie105

(5,397 posts)
17. Don't make yourself promises other people aren't likely to want to keep for you.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 10:02 PM
Jan 2020

Like the OP, I'm in my twilight years.

I promised myself that the last 10 years of my working life would be plain sailing, respect for the experienced, knowing all facets of the job, etc.
Didn't happen.

Same thing for retirement, I was hoping the World would Calm Down and be Sensible.
Not happening, either.

Watching with jaundiced eye younger, power hungry incompetent people stuffing up the World. Not a good view from where I am.

So, like the original poster, I'm doomed to die a bitter old man.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
21. 4 Months to 65
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 10:18 PM
Jan 2020

I enlisted in the Marines in early 73. It wasn't over.

My parents were right when they told me not to!

Real Americans did not piss on John Kerry!

He was right!

Lonestarblue

(9,988 posts)
22. Hang in there.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 10:21 PM
Jan 2020

We still have hope. We know Republicans will cheat in November, but so do a lot of voters. If we can get enough people to vote, we can overcome their cheating. With Democrats in the White House and at least the House, we can start improving lives.

Martin Eden

(12,867 posts)
23. A nation, ultimately, is its people
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 10:38 PM
Jan 2020

It is difficult not to get disgusted and discouraged at the tens of millions who voted for and support the vile racist demagogue trashing our country and tearing it apart.

But America is also populated by tens of millions of intelligent compassionate people doing what they can to live their lives peacefully and build a better future for those who come after us.

It is a nasty, bitter, frustrating struggle.

There is abundant beauty to be found in people and in the natural world around us.

What you find depends on what you seek, and where you seek it.

BigmanPigman

(51,591 posts)
25. Same here.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 10:43 PM
Jan 2020

I am not going to make it more than a few more years due to a disease. People don't believe me when I say I do not care. I mean it. Just like you, between Climate Change, the apathy of Americans, the hypocritical and greedy GOP and crazy religious fanatics I have had it. My dad died less than a year ago and my dog is almost 17 so I am ready to go after she does.

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
26. Recommended.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 10:47 PM
Jan 2020

I generally agree, though I think the flag belongs to us, not them.

One question: Who is the "one fool"? I suspect it would be George W. Bush, though I'd consider Reagan a close second. We have lived through fools and criminals.

Hekate

(90,686 posts)
93. I know the flag belongs to us and not them; it's one reason I ended up with the VFP at marches...
Fri Jan 10, 2020, 07:37 PM
Jan 2020

...in my town. They were the one group flying the flag they'd fought for. I just wanted to claim what is ours.

Now when I see that flag & pole in my front hall closet waiting for another march, I just about want to cry.


Toorich

(391 posts)
27. I'm 71 and I knew
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 10:48 PM
Jan 2020

the rethug swine wanted to own it all back in the Nixon days.
All I can say is what was said before our time back in the dust bowl
and Great Depression days - Organize!!!!

Go to the retirement homes and charm the single residents. Take them out to lunch and out to vote.

Talk with youngsters about saving the world starting with a vote for a progressive candidate at city, state and
federal level.
Bitching can help let off a little steam but doing a little work every day toward our vision of a proper and good
world is what we must do.
I think our generation got lazy and complacent. We gave up the "fairness doctrine" of our airwaves without a fight. We did nothing while the rethugs played their long game and bought up radio and local newspapers and TV stations.
They stole the G.I. Bill and veterans healthcare and military retirement. They broke the unions with great wages and that great health insurance and retirement benefits. They shipped the jobs to cheap labor countries. They want to steal the United States Postal Service and Social Security.

Trof, never give up a goddamn inch to the bastards!!!

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
28. I just turned 72
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 10:48 PM
Jan 2020

yesterday. I plan to out live the bastard . I know I have a better diet and I take aquatic exercise classes!

PlanetBev

(4,104 posts)
29. Feeling the same way, Trof
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 10:48 PM
Jan 2020

I’ll be 70 in November. I’m so sick of the lies and the idiots who keep buying it. How many go-rounds of the same shit do we need before this country wakes up?

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
32. I hope to live as long as you already have. But my view is a bit more
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 11:04 PM
Jan 2020

nuanced. We have a fighting chance if some people pull their heads out of their asses. We can not afford the election of people like Bush the lessor or Trump any longer. If we keep getting people like that, there will be no grand revolution where everyone sees the light and becomes progressives, what we will have instead is a certain path to extinction of our species and a number of others along with us. But the Earth will be cool, it will just keep on going like it has for almost 4 billion years.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
34. My parents are in their mid-80's
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 11:12 PM
Jan 2020

They raised me to respect government. It kills me they are witnessing this. I know my mom really wanted to see a woman president.

The people who voted for this mad man respect nothing. They think it's all a joke.

Fuck every single one of them.

tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
35. At 79 i feel your pain/anger/frustration
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 11:14 PM
Jan 2020

My goal is to survive long enough to vote this crooked asshole out of office. I even told my children if i have to go on a ventilator to make it long enough to get my absentee ballot filled out and mailed, I will do it.

Croney

(4,660 posts)
36. I'm 75 and I absolutely refuse to die before the orange slug does.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 11:15 PM
Jan 2020

I want to live until the nightmare is over.

Mickju

(1,803 posts)
38. I'm almost 76 and I feel exactly the same way.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 11:27 PM
Jan 2020

I don't particularly want to stick around because I see nothing but tragedy in the future. I have heart failure and theoretically could stick around for another several years, but I'm really not particularly interested anymore because of Trump and climate change. The human race will be wiped out either by climate change or war. fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck

byronius

(7,394 posts)
41. I offer the inimitable words of my old buddy Steve.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 12:06 AM
Jan 2020

Draw a line of human social development starting thirty thousand years ago -- it goes up. Whole lives, whole generations spent going down, going up, living through the bounce. But it goes up over time, steadily.

And it goes up from the smallest of things. Human hope, usually put into words but not always. People that were treated cruelly that raise kind children. Bits and pieces and lost moments of the Better Humans, swept away by the rending darkness of the Ancestor -- but those stories live to inspire future generations to overdo the Better Human thing.

I saw the first black president happen, twice, and the first female president though they could not stand it and took her from us. I saw rights for many seriously disenfranchised minorities enter the conversation if not yet into permanent law. I see the younger people skewing politically way left, and in a solemn and informed manner that shames my lost generation.

We are living better lives than 99.99 percent of all human beings that have ever lived. Democratic freedom is under attack, and the disproportionate response of time will be that this story rescues the future. The villains are clear, the momentum of history is true (even if we feel it as darkness), and I love that I get to be here and serve as one of the truly faithful Americans that WILL NOT GO GENTLY INTO THAT GOOD NIGHT.

We'll save ourselves, and our children, and their children, and the world, and all the creatures of this world and we'll emerge to be Better Humans after all -- I do believe this.

And you helped. Just by -- being here.

Thanks for that.

yonder

(9,666 posts)
51. Thank you for the most hopeful DU post I've read.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 05:35 AM
Jan 2020

Considering what is going on worldwide and a bit of what's happening personally, it could not have come at a better time.

I think I shall be able to finally sleep tonight with those remarkable, suitable-for-framing words.

Perhaps it should be it's own thread?

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
42. I hear you, trof
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 12:12 AM
Jan 2020

I am so, so sick of it. It's like there's never any lessons learned. It just BURNS me that no one was held accountable for lying their way into the Iraq war, which led to all of this.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
43. We WILL defeat this monster and life will be good trof!
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 12:14 AM
Jan 2020

We just need new and out of-the-box thinkers to rid us of this monster! Step one: find them in our party and move them up.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
46. There's hope. Destroying Trump and this corrupt GOP is as easy and necessary as democratizing
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 12:58 AM
Jan 2020

political talk radio.

Forcing the advertising industry to apply market forces to political talk radio will democratize it and destroy the Republican talk radio monopoly critical to enabling and excusing this Trump Republican disaster.

In recent years artificial intelligence made it easier, faster, and cheaper to digitize, transcribe, and monitor talk radio by an order of magnitude (eg sonix.ai).

Advertisers can be listed and associated directly with content with little time and listening required. The small boycott effort that shook the radio advertising industry after Limbaugh attacked Sandra Fluke in 2012 (StopRush, FlushRush, etc) can be amplified significantly on local as well as national scale.

When the radio advertising industry catches up to this reality it will have to act preemptively to protect its clients from being associated with the hate and lies and global warming denial that dominates political content on those radio stations. It wants those tens of millions of listeners that those stations reach and will finally have to apply actual ‘market forces’ to political talk radio. As more of that content is digitized and studied the ad industry will have to give clients more control of where their ads are placed, rather than lose them to less toxic advertising mediums.

Unless they are located in very red areas, radio stations that used to be very predictable, valuable/FREE, and often dominant contributors of locally and nationally controlled Republican political messaging will have few options, depending on owner partisanship vs business interest. Options faced by station management/ownership include:

- Increasing partisan subsidizing. What used to be free for the GOP will begin to cost. That will expose them as propaganda outlets to the important and often large casual and less partisan audience tuning in for traffic, news, weather, etc.

- Attempting to balance/democratize programming by including talkers from the other side of the political spectrum. Repeated lying will no longer go unchallenged. The whole purpose of creating and protecting a near-total monopoly was to maintain and reinforce the certitude that is so critical for selling lies and alternate reality, especially to authoritarians motivated by fear and uncertainty avoidance. Monopoly messaging also served to discourage listeners who might call local hosts to disagree.

- Switching to other programming altogether.

None of those options are good for Trump Republicans, but may appeal to Republicans wanting to reduce corruption and extremism in the GOP, as well as Putin’s influence in US politics.

Protests at 87 universities (list below) will get Republicans’ attention, media attention, and the advertising industry’s attention.

One way to force the advertising industry to immediately begin dismantling the Republican talk radio monopoly is for Americans to recognize 87 universities as good places to protest issues like war with Iran, global warming inaction, and anything Trump and Republican.

Not only have those radio stations been lying about the Iran nuclear deal's effectiveness for years, they played an instrumental part in selling the Bush administration lies that led us into Iraq.

The universities listed below rent their community standing, brands, logos, mascots etc. to at least 260 stations that headline Rush Limbaugh. They allow their athletes to be used to excuse racism. Those include many of the loudest AM radio stations in their states.

Even large protests at traditional locations do not get Republican attention because those radio stations can yell over them for as long as necessary.

Even small protests at some of those universities, specifically to get them to stop supporting Republican radio, will get media and Republican attention. Local Republicans and their radio stations will see it as a threat and scream “FREE SPEECH!” Media will notice. Other schools and professional sports teams that broadcast on those stations will notice.

It doesn’t matter what the university actually does. If Republicans want to go to court to prevent changes it will merely get more attention to the issue. 

Concerned advertisers will contact their agencies looking for alternatives.

The advertising industry will have to break up the monopoly.

xxxx

Activism around the University of Colorado may have forced Limbaugh off a major CO station and may be an example of how this would work. Republicans may have wanted to avoid publicity and act preemptively.

The recent demotion of Rush Limbaugh from the loudest radio station in Colorado (AM 850 KOA) may have been precipitated by years of low level activism to force the University of Colorado to stop broadcasting football games on a radio station that routinely denies global warming and is perpetually at odds with local political opinion and objectives.

That would be an example of applying market forces to break up the talk radio monopoly.

The licensing company and the radio station may have acted to prevent increased activism and protests that could have drawn the attention of the Broncos and Rockies professional teams, which also broadcast on KOA.


If the GOP would pay $1000 for a 1 hour infomercial:
x 15 hours/day = $15,000/station/day
x 5 days = $75,000/station/week

ALABAMA 8 $600,000 Auburn 3, Alabama 2, Southern Alabama 2, Troy 1
ARIZONA 1 $75,000 Arizona St. 1
ARKANSAS 3 $225,000 Arkansas 3
CALIFORNIA 5 $375,000 San Jose State 2, USC 2, Fresno St. 1
COLORADO 3 $225,000 Air Force 2, Colorado State 1
CONNECTICUT 1 $75,000 Connecticut 1
FLORIDA 20 $1,500,000 Florida 10, Florida St. 4 Miami 2, South Florida 2, Central Florida 2
GEORGIA 14 $1,050,000 Georgia 7, Georgia Tech 5, Georgia Southern 2
IDAHO 7 $525,000 Boise St. 4, Idaho 3
ILLINOIS 7 $525,000 Illinois 7
INDIANA 11 $825,000 Notre Dame 6, Purdue 4, Indiana 1
IOWA 5 $375,000 Iowa 4, Iowa St. 1
KANSAS 4 $300,000 Kansas St. 2, Kansas 1, Wichita St. 1
KENTUCKY 3 $225,000 Louisville 2, Kentucky 1
LOUSIANA 3 $225,000 LSU 2, La.-Monroe 1
MARYLAND 2 $150,000 Maryland 2
MASSACHUSETTS 1 $75,000 Boston College 1
MICHIGAN 19 $1,425,000 Michigan St. 11, Michigan 7, Western Michigan 1
MINNESOTA 4 $300,000 Minnesota 4
MISSISSIPPI 6 $450,000 Mississippi St. 3, Mississippi 2, Southern Miss 1
MISSOURI 6 $450,000 Missouri 6
NEBRASKA 6 $450,000 Nebraska 6
NEVADA 1 $75,000 Nevada 1
NEW JERSEY 2 $150,000 Rutgers 1, Seton Hall 1
NEW MEXICO 3 $225,000 New Mexico 2, New Mexico St. 1
NEW YORK 7 $525,000 Syracuse 6, Army 1
NORTH CAROLINA 16 $1,200,000 North Carolina 8, North Carolina State 3, Duke 3, East Carolina 2
OHIO 10 $750,000 Ohio St. 6, Toledo 1, Dayton 1, Bowling Green 1, Xavier 1
OKLAHOMA 5 $375,000 Oklahoma St. 3, Oklahoma 1, Oral Roberts 1
OREGON 12 $900,000 Oregon St. 7, Oregon 5
PENNSYLVANIA 14 $1,050,000 Penn St. 11, Pittsburgh 2, Temple 1
SOUTH CAROLINA 4 $300,000 South Carolina 2, Clemson 2
TENNESSEE 7 $525,000 Tennessee 4, Memphis 3
TEXAS 16 $1,200,000 Texas A&M 9, Texas Tech 4, Texas 1, Texas Christian 1, Baylor 1
UTAH 1 $75,000 Utah St. 1
VIRGINIA 6 $450,000 Virginia Tech 5, Virginia 1
WASHINGTON 6 $450,000 Washington 5, Washington St. 1
WEST VIRGINIA 2 $150,000 West Virginia 1, Marshall 1
WISCONSIN 3 $225,000 Wisconsin 3

young_at_heart

(3,767 posts)
47. I just realized how much anxiety is in my life now
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 12:58 AM
Jan 2020

I am 80 yrs. old and have a few health problems that I have learned to live with. Tension and anxiety have been building up slowly and lately I have had a big outbreak of Shingles and toss and turn at night.....I think I know why!!! There is so much anguish everywhere!

myohmy2

(3,163 posts)
48. "I did not want my last years to be like this."
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 01:03 AM
Jan 2020

...I'm not quite your age, but close...

...what did you want or expect your last years to be like?

...this place has been on the decline for decades...

...considering the trajectory of our decline, I'm surprised we're still here...

...chin up, we're all dying bitter old men...

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
55. Trof, when we drop dead, others have to live on with what we leave.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 07:57 AM
Jan 2020

I strongly suggest you shift your focus to building from whining. People can't resign the duties of a citizen. They can only refuse to do them.

Our grandparents let things go to hell for themselves before they wised up and fixed them by voting smart.

So, our succeeding generations have now repeated the first part of that pattern and the repairs are still ahead. Boo, hoo for you. Your problems are nothing to those of the kids who are forced to take jobs that don't pay a living wage and already have never experienced the long, lovely springs we once did.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
58. I'm 69 and I feel the same way. I'm actually spending time trying to figure out
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 09:26 AM
Jan 2020

how best to help my son and his family emigrate, or even just move north to escape the worst of the climate calamities that will be happening.

Initech

(100,075 posts)
63. George Carlin was right.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 10:31 AM
Jan 2020

The whole planet is turning into a colossal shit show and there really isn't a lot anyone can do about it. Just sit back, grab some popcorn and start viewing it as a form of entertainment.

wmarine

(3 posts)
65. I'm 71 and
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 11:12 AM
Jan 2020

as someone said to me when Trump was elected, "I'm glad I have a lot more yesterdays than I do tomorrows."

Permanut

(5,608 posts)
67. righteous rant. trof..
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 12:09 PM
Jan 2020

I'm 74, and I haven't hung the flag on my front porch since President Barack Obama was elected in 2012.

Iwasthere

(3,168 posts)
68. Why do you only have 5 to 7 years left?
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 12:15 PM
Jan 2020

I am 63 now, but I plan to be out snorkeling when I'm 102, nothing to do with genes. I plan to slide into my grave like its home base. My father in law says, denial. He is short changing himself, imo. You create your reality. The mind is a Powerful thing. Create longevity.

JudyM

(29,248 posts)
82. What you wrote, I love: slide into my grave like it's home plate.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 05:14 PM
Jan 2020

Snorkeling at 102. Yes, please.

BarbD

(1,193 posts)
69. At 82 I try to be a realistic optimist.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 12:24 PM
Jan 2020

Through the years, I discarded many of my beliefs such as God and Country but, and it's a big "but"...I believe in love and the spirit of good people. And, that if each of us tries every day and every way to make the world a better place, we can find joy in living.

kskiska

(27,045 posts)
70. Feeling the pain. I'm 75.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 12:38 PM
Jan 2020

I'm actually thankful I have no grandchildren who'd have to live in the shambles this idiot has made of our country.

erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
74. Hey trof, great rant and here is why
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 01:59 PM
Jan 2020

I was surprised at all of the 70+ years older's who replied and, I might
add, we share the same feelings ....

I just received an email from Dylan Thomas, an author who I met through
Amazon books. He graduated from Georgetown the same year as Bill
Clinton (70+ year old's). He mentioned a Sumerian term "Sars" having to
do with time before Noah's flood. He determined that a Sars was 79 years
and equivalent to a lifetime. I responded, "Scary!"

btw, we were not discussing people 70+ years old. He is working on a book
about King Arthur.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
76. I love you because this is exactly where I go when i feel the darkness
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 02:35 PM
Jan 2020

overtaking me but then I remember there are more people like you in the world than the evil that seems to have engulfed the United States. You and I and millions of others like us are the light. I want you to take care of your health. I want you to walk every day so you can appreciate the wonderousness of what God made - the sky, the clouds, the trees, the soil, the flowers the air we breathe and YOU. And as you meet people along your walk, I want you to smile and say good day neighbor. And it is a good day because you're in the world. With love, your universal neighbor.

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
78. He's waisted our precious time. We won't get that back, but we'll get America back.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 02:48 PM
Jan 2020

Remember the good in America and the good people who care. There are more of us than them.

Wawannabe

(5,659 posts)
81. I'll be 50 just before the election.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 04:57 PM
Jan 2020

If tRump wins I am gonna take a long walk in the Cascades and never come back.

That’s where I’m at!

Told my boyfriend this fact the other night. He is not happy with me -and is conservative. I think he supports tRump but doesn’t have the guts to tell me so.

We get along in every other way so I am not going to push the matter if he doesn’t, but I do make my feelings about government and the current admin well known. I have the guts to take a stand and defend it. And come Nov 2020 if we don’t take the WH, I will have the guts to take that walk. Otherwise, I will need to be committed to some institution because I will literally go insane! And institutionalization is not gonna happen!

I wish you a better future but it is so concerning that I don’t have much faith for “better”.

My Dad was a Vietnam Vet. He’s dead. Drank himself to death over PTSD. I have lots of anger issues over Vietnam.

If this country elects dt (by stealing or for reals) then I will know it is the end of time for me.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
85. So sick of bad news.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 05:53 PM
Jan 2020

I hear ya! I’m 61 and I just get sick of hearing only bad news. Australia, Puerto Rico.

And of course the daily influx of what Trump is getting away with that is screwing us all over. Anyone with any intelligence can sense the very real danger, and that danger is what is stealing the joy out of our lives. Yes, I try to make myself see the good things, but you’d have to be an idiot not to realize just how bad things really are, and I’m tired of being told to be grateful for the past. I want to be excited for the future!!!

Hekate

(90,686 posts)
91. You've got a couple of years on me, trof, but I know where you're coming from...
Fri Jan 10, 2020, 12:18 AM
Jan 2020

I carried the flag in protest after protest alongside my friends in the VFP during the BushCheney years, and still have it on its pole, parked in the front hall closet.

Two+ years ago we moved to a house that has a flagpole holder on the front porch. As the holidays passed: Independence Day, Armistice Day, Memorial Day, I considered whether to hang out the Stars & Stripes. And I realized I am too ashamed of my country to do so.

Trump shames us all. The people who mindlessly cheer his every word shame us all. The enablers who knowingly prop him up for their personal advantage shame us all. Every day.

When he his gone and the work of repair is well underway -- maybe then I will fly that flag again. Or maybe not even then.




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