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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 03:35 AM Jan 2020

For two years now the US has had more job openings than people looking for work

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=pTmQ

This gets to something I find frustrating about the political system: we're about to go into a nearly year-long election season in which everyone from both parties will talk about how many jobs they are going to create, as if lack of jobs were a problem right now. There are currently nearly 8 million open jobs, as compared to about 6 million people looking for work. Even if we solved the skills-and-location mismatches that are so famous (the jobs offered are neither in coal mining nor in West Virginia), we literally don't have enough people to do the things the economy wants done right now.

This gets to a problem we never talk about and need to. The big obstacle with things like massive infrastructure campaigns or single payer healthcare or universal childcare is not the money -- we can get the money. But we don't actually have several million construction workers sitting around waiting to do something. Nor do we have several million RNs and med techs sitting around, nor several million childcare workers. Even if we came up with the money, we would have to find the workers to actually do those things, and they don't exist.

Infrastructure is probably the clearest example, and it's outlined most clearly by the Strong Towns people. To take the example of Illinois, the state needs to be spending $21 billion a year (that's the most optimistic estimate) simply to keep its existing infrastructure from falling apart. It's not spending anywhere near that (its entire state annual budget is $56 billion, the entire state GDP is $650 billion). Illinois is simply not going to spend that much money on infrastructure, but even so that isn't the real problem. If Illinois had an infinite source of money, it wouldn't change the fact that illinois only has 240,000 jobless people looking for work, and nearly none of them are construction workers.

We need to be importing workers, rapidly, but it's political suicide to say that.
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For two years now the US has had more job openings than people looking for work (Original Post) Recursion Jan 2020 OP
supply/demand says not enuff workers then pay will go way up lol as if we have a free job market nt msongs Jan 2020 #1
And, in fact, we're in a period of unprecedented wage growth Recursion Jan 2020 #3
I'm not sure who you are talking to Bettie Jan 2020 #11
The biggest gains have happened for the poorest workers Recursion Jan 2020 #12
Welcome to Walmart! Poiuyt Jan 2020 #2
That's not where the vacancies are though Recursion Jan 2020 #4
Sorry, not buying it. Dulcinea Jan 2020 #5
I faced that same situation at age 59. Paka Jan 2020 #6
Bingo!!! hamsterjill Jan 2020 #8
Same here. GoCubsGo Jan 2020 #9
The people who want us to work until age 70 are the same folks laying us off when we turn 50. Efilroft Sul Jan 2020 #10
There was someone who thought about this... llmart Jan 2020 #7

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
3. And, in fact, we're in a period of unprecedented wage growth
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 05:56 AM
Jan 2020

So the model seems to check out there. (Remember the supply-demand model only predicts nominal wage growth, which we're seeing a lot of.)

Bettie

(16,124 posts)
11. I'm not sure who you are talking to
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 09:55 AM
Jan 2020

but everyone I know gets a 1-3% raise annually, IF the company decides to give raises.

That doesn't even really cover how much the cost of things goes up annually.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
12. The biggest gains have happened for the poorest workers
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 10:00 AM
Jan 2020

Part of the political frustration of the past few years is that the poorest workers have seen relatively large gains whereas middle income workers have seen much smaller gains.

But, yeah, cost of living: supply and demand only guarantees that nominal wages (the actual dollar amount) goes up, not real wages (what you can actually buy). And while 2014-2016 saw real wages going up, since then we've seen inflation keeping pace with nominal increases.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
4. That's not where the vacancies are though
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 05:57 AM
Jan 2020

And any analysis that ignores the unprecedented wage growth of the past 5 years isn't being honest.

I mean, just to take your WalMart example, they're in the process of moving to at least $13/hour nationwide.

Dulcinea

(6,660 posts)
5. Sorry, not buying it.
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 07:53 AM
Jan 2020

I have over 30 years of work experience & 2 degrees & live in a major metro area. I can't even get an interview. Of course, I'm female & 54 years old. Age discrimination is very much alive & well. If companies want to fill these vacancies, they need to look past millennials.

Paka

(2,760 posts)
6. I faced that same situation at age 59.
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 07:59 AM
Jan 2020

I finally accepted the inevitable and went back to Africa and found a volunteer slot that helped get me by until I took early retirement at 62. That was 20 years ago and it was brutal even then.

hamsterjill

(15,223 posts)
8. Bingo!!!
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 09:35 AM
Jan 2020

There’s nothing worth shit that I’ve found either. Minimum wage, part time and no benefits. The big thing in my area is working for the staffing agencies. They want to be able to call you up and expect you to be on a job in two hours, making $10 an hour, have to pay for parking, and want you to be grateful. Total bullshit that jobs like this even count as “jobs”.

GoCubsGo

(32,088 posts)
9. Same here.
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 09:50 AM
Jan 2020

I'm a bit older, but it's the same situation, and I'm willing to move. I gave up trying to a job in my field a long time ago. If you are over 45, forget it. All that's out there are minimum wage retail/grocery jobs--unless you are willing to spend money you don't have to re-train for computer jobs.

llmart

(15,552 posts)
7. There was someone who thought about this...
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 08:02 AM
Jan 2020

She had a proposal to assist people in retraining for the manufacturing/coal mining jobs that are disappearing. Millions of people liked her proposal. Millions of people voted for her. Millions of others, many of them who either lost their jobs or saw them disappear, chose the con artist because he had zero experience in government and the teevee touted his "successful business acumen".

There's an old saying - something about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

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