"She's Going to Go Through Some Things" - Donald J. Trump

[MineralMan]

With that sentence, he admits that he knew about the stalking and plotting against the Ambassador to the Ukraine. Trump was part of the whole plan.

It. Is. That. Simple.

Removal from office by the Senate is the solution. That's the "thing" Trump is "going to go through."

[madaboutharry]

1. As difficult as it is to comprehend,

I think the plan was to physically harm her. Someone got wind of it and that was the person who told her to get on the next plane out and not to worry about her belongings. Someone had their hair on fire. That person needs to come forward and tell the appropriate people what they know.

[padah513]

13. I can only imagine what she is thinking after this reveal

because this chills me to my bones. These guys were literally stalking her like some kind of predatory animal after its prey. Had she not gotten out when she did, there's no telling what would have happened. Hyde said that he was having a drunken conversation with a friend, but while most of those texts are on the 25th, the last text was on the 26th, twenty-four hours later and asked what was the next move. Somebody needs to get to Hyde and question him under oath before he gets disappeared or Epstein-ed. I would say the FBI, but with Barr in charge, there might not be much help there. One other thing. Pompeo is a coward who needs to go to jail, period.

[LiberalFighter]

68. For sure.

[bucolic_frolic]

77. It sure sounds that way, as in

like, uh, 'going through' some open windows? That's been a popular method these past few years.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

82. I was going to look that up. Thought it was a rep

from State. At the time of the hearings thought the person was pushing her out...but now more likely a warning. Did trump formally fire her? Perhaps a good Samaritan made that up when they got wind of potential harm to her. IOW...trump could have easily fired her earlier. But it sounded like the plan was to silence her not just get her out of Ukraine.

[DemocracyMouse]

83. It's obvious he didn't want to fire her and look guilty of a political firing

He wanted a back alley scare ("go through some things" ) so she'd come up with her own excuse for quitting her post. They didn't count on her bravery in testifying about everything. The Republicans have not only downgraded women, blacks, Latin Americans, the LGBTQ community, Democrats and the intelligentsia... they have also failed to comprehend that ALL those groups are more brave and principled than THEY are. The Republicans are lost in a cultural ghetto.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

84. Why not transfer her to Timbuktu? The most telling thing to

Me that NO ONE talks about is the one month gap between when she was whisked out and Taylor installed. How convenient.

But he did fire her! Or did he? Why not do it in a less offensive way, seriously, a normal transfer, reassignment.

[backtoblue]

2. And he said this

after she was removed from her job.

A clear threat.

[lpbk2713]

3. He's corrupt and evil.

He can't be trusted. The sooner he's gone the better.

[Botany]

4. This is not the first time that Trump has been caught in his words

[MineralMan]

5. Exactly. He is so stupid that he convicts himself every time he speaks.

Time for a trial.

[Botany]

7. And all the republicans know he is dirty and they just don't care.

They should be held up to this simple line; You can't be for America and for Trump at the
same time. They are mutually exclusive.

[MineralMan]

14. There comes a point, however, when it gets harder and harder to

maintain such loyalty. The upcoming election is that point. Protecting their phony baloney jobs is the first priority of elected Republicans. When they see that as the risk, they'll drop Trump like a hot rock. Some of them, anyhow...the ones who are at risk of losing their oh-so-lucrative seats.

We're beginning to see the first signs of slippage in that loyalty from people like Gaetz.

[Hortensis]

16. Yes. They're all corrupted and have no principles to

sustain, only self interest. Wonder what the next shoes will be. As this show, we don't know all there is to about Trump-Ukraine, and T-U is only one facet of Trump's long criminal career.

[MineralMan]

29. I don't know what other shoes will drop.

Could be a pile of them, I think.

The timing is beginning to come together. Sadly, I have no insights into what other people know or are about to reveal. I do know that we are in the fourth year of Trump's term in office, and there is a solid, dedicated, effort to make certain he goes no further in that office.

I still believe that Trump will eventually decide to resign and collect his pardon from Pence. Somewhere there is a tipping point that will be reached in the next few months that leads him to fear what happens after he leaves office. At that point, he will decide to protect his own ass and damn the rest, I think. That's what happens when time runs out on people like Trump.

Some mention the state charges against him as a reason for him not to do that, but they are minor in comparison to what the federal charges might be. When it becomes clear that he will be prosecuted after he leaves the White House by the next administration, he will play his pardon card, which he keeps in his back pocket, ready to deploy.

That's what I think will happen. Frankly, I hope it's sooner, rather than later. Tomorrow would be good, but anytime in the next few months would suffice. A pardon is Trump's key to staying free.

[Hortensis]

51. Sounds very credible. Trump could be bought with

promise of a pardon of course -- once the great man was brought to realize that was his best/only option.

Guessing everything that isn't about his committing mass murder, leading us into war, and/or conspiring to damage our nation further, is, at this point, about the next election for both parties. And, as you say, that seems to be becoming less and less about him.

[MineralMan]

54. Oh, Trump already knows that, very well.

He keeps that pardon card with him at all times. He has Pence's word on it, I have no doubt, and probably has "Mother" on his side as well.

Mike Pence is a nebbish. As far as I've been able to tell, he has no actual persona. He is just a pawn in the game, waiting for someone to move him into position. In himself, he is nothing. He just waits to be played.

[volstork]

75. Much like

Lindsey. Mere toadies...

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

52. There's a whole Imelda Marcos' closet full of shoes that could drop,

and that closet door has started to crack open.

[MineralMan]

55. A veritable avalanche of shoes...

[Midnight Writer]

80. A Fibber McGee's closet full of secrets.

[hot2na]

69. I don't think think the pardon will help Trump

There is so much corruption and criminality on the part of Trump that a pardon could not possibly touch all of it. Could Pence give Trump a blanket pardon for obstruction, abuse of power, political finance crimes, money laundering, self dealing, etc., etc., etc. ??
Pence would have to pardon Trump for all crimes past, present, and future (what will come out over the course of the post Trump era).

If there was one crime then I could see a how a pardon could be on Trumps mind but he knows that there is so freaking much other criminality that he will be exposed to if he does resign. It seems to be an exercise in futility.

[LiberalFighter]

70. Do you think a pardon can be used during an impeachment?

The way I read it it can't be used.

Which is why I believe Nixon resigned before they got to impeachment.

[MineralMan]

72. Trump is not actually charged with any statutory crimes

in the impeachment. A pardon only applies to statutory crimes. So, I think a case could be made that a pardon would be legal, as long as it did not attempt to pardon him for the reasons he was being impeached.

However, I suppose that would have to run through the courts.

[usaf-vet]

63. We need to do something to take away the "their oh-so-lucrative seats." Elections alone do not work.

I don't know how we get there but let me offer these three suggestions.

1. get rid of Citizen United. Eliminate dark money and foreign money buying elections.
2. term limits so serving in Congress isn't a way to become a millionaire.
3. public funding for qualified candidates.

[enough]

6. Funny that Trump said that to Zeklinsky on July 25, 2 months after she was removed as Ambassador.

Does this mean that they were still contemplating more threats to her after she was removed?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212872164

[Johnny2X2X]

8. That's exactly what it means

They wanted to make an example out of her, do not stand in the way of their crime empire or you will be hurt. I think they were going to at the very least have her beaten.

And every single member of the GOP knows exactly this, and they do not care.

[MineralMan]

12. Probably, and Trump's words were a warning.

It's the old, "We wouldn't want nothing should happen to you, see..." threat. Gangster talk.

[robbob]

40. Don't paraphrase or characterize!

That’s putting words in his mouth! Which is treason! His orangness will say you should be arrested!!!

Do I need to add:
?

[JustAnotherGen]

18. I think so

I think the smartest and SAFEST thing she did was testify publicly about what occurred leading up to her leaving Ukraine.

[MineralMan]

22. That took considerable bravery. Brava to her!

[KSNY]

28. Yes, a brave and patriotic professional

whose distinguished career was destroyed by ignorant bullies. I am grateful to her, to the whistleblower, and to anyone who exposes these thugs.

[justie18]

67. Yes!

And she was the first to come forward and agree to testify. After her we heard Fiona Hill, among others.

Scary situation with Bill Barr heading the DOJ.

[wendyb-NC]

9. I agree.

Taken out in hand cuffs, with his VP, Cabinet, Advisers, and staff, along with any back stage stragglers and interlopers. Walk the Impeachment Documents, over to the Senate, and handcuff McConnell and several key snide, loud, anarchist, right wing conservative mouth pieces. Lock them up.

I wish. This is big. It matters a lot.

[Sugar Smack]

10. Just like that "can of whoop-ass" doggerel by his brain-dead offspring.

They cannot help themselves. In mob movies, threats like that pan out neatly. Not so in real life.

[CrispyQ]

11. Is McConnell waiting for him to kill someone on 5th Avenue?

Would he do something, even then?

There are days I can hardly express my rage and frustration.

[Mike 03]

15. Another involuntary confession from Trump

I've read two books and numerous articles about Trump's psychology, and no one has yet explained this tendency of his (that I've seen). I wonder what it means that he does this so frequently.

[MineralMan]

17. He thinks he is coated with Teflon. Nothing can stick to him, he thinks.

It's symptomatic of his narcissism.

[JustAnotherGen]

19. This MM

And I take comfort in the fact that the OG Teflon Don (Gotti) died in Prison.

[redstatebluegirl]

36. He has always managed to get other people to do his dirty work.

In his mind this lets him off the hook. We need to hook him, and fry him.

[MineralMan]

39. Yes, that's his strategy.

However, there is much risk in trusting others to do your dirty work for you, as a number of mob bosses have learned over time.

[fierywoman]

48. (Yeah, but -- as all of us who've used Teflon pans knows --

at a certain point -- sooner with much use -- the Teflon starts to crack and must be thrown out ...)

[MineralMan]

50. Yes, exactly.

[CrispyQ]

31. His entire life, he has never been held accountable for anything he's said or done.

His family's money, influence, and corruption have gotten him out of every jam his mouth has gotten him into. Now he's in government where what you say matters and you're held accountable for it. Well, that's how it would work if we didn't have a compromised Senate.

[ramen]

65. Narcissism.

Almost every awful behavior the guy exhibits is explainable by deeply malignant narcissism. He thinks he is unstoppable and above consequences.

[dlk]

20. Trump's statement shows why he won't go anywhere near the impeachment trial

He’s far too dirty.

[MrModerate]

21. You presume that truth matters at this point. n/t

[MineralMan]

25. Yes, I do presume that.

Eventually, truth will out. Eventually, Trump will fall. His luck is just about at an end, I think.

People seem to think that Republicans will always support him, no matter what he does. That's not true. They will do so until there is real, tangible risk to them as individual office-holders. Once they recognize that risk, they will drop him cold.

See, the thing is that they have a ready replacement for Donald Trump in Mike Pence. If Trump is seen as a liability to their own interests, they will simply opt for the replacement. At least enough of them will to make it happen.

That's my hope. That's my belief. That's my prediction.

Donald J. Trump will not complete his term as President, one way or another. He has a pardon in his back pocket from Pence, which will be the thing that convinces him. That is his "Get Out of Jail Free" card. He will use it.

[dlk]

33. Fortunately, a president's pardon power does not extent to state crimes

Being found guilty of state crimes is a more likely scenario. Letitia James will do her job.

[smirkymonkey]

35. I really hope you are right.

It's my belief as well, but I am wondering if it's just wishful thinking. How much worse can things get before everything just implodes? Not only that, but health-wise, he looks like he is on his last legs.

This nation cannot survive another four years of Donald Trump. I know that for sure.

[Moostache]

47. I hope you're right....

About his health and being on his last legs.

[MrModerate]

45. I think you underestimate the extent to which Trump...

…has eaten Republican brains and left them as zombies. Trump has his hands (small and clenched they may be) on all the reins of power, and those who would resist him from the former Republican Party are gutless, dispersed, powerless.

Right now, 'Lican apparatchiks know that the greatest political danger they face is accidentally pissing Trump off. That's asking for a quick and messy end, usually at the hands of some wackadoodle Trumpkin even further right than the incumbent.

Somehow, Trump's Deplorables have replaced the NRA as the voting bloc 'Licans know they must obey. And they show no signs of abandoning Trump, ever.

Trump will eventually be gone, of course, but maybe not by January 2021. I can't imagine the destruction he might wreak if he's given another 4 years. And will Trumpism outlive Trump himself?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

23. How do the dates line up with the Robert Hyde text msgs revealed last night?

[mercuryblues]

58. Amb Yovanocitch

Last edited Wed Jan 15, 2020, 07:22 PM - Edit history (1)

3/22 Hyde: Fuck that B*
3/23 Hyde: Wow. Can't believe Trump hasn't fired this B*. I'll get right in that
3/23 Hyde: She under heavy protection outside kiev

3/23 Parnas: I know crazy shit

3/23 Hyde: My guy thinks maybe FSB..?

3/25 Parnas: sends 3 attachments, no text
3/25 Hyde replies with an attachment, no text.

3/25 Parnas: Interesting
3/25 Hyde send an attachment
3/25 Hyde: what should I do with this?
3/25 Hyde: That are moving her tomorrow

3/25 Hyde: The guys over they asked me what I would like to do and whats in it for them
3/25 Hyde: Wake up Yankees man
3/25 Hyde; She's talked to 3 people Her phone is off. Computer is off.

3/25 Hyde: She's next to the embassy
3/25 Hyde: Not in the embassy
3/25Hyde: Private security. Been there since Thursday
3/25 Parnas: Interesting

3/25 Hyde: They know she's a political puppet
3/25 Hyde: They'll let me know when she's on the move
3/25 Hyde: and they'll let me know when she's on the move
3/25 Parnas: Perfect

3/25 Hyde: I mean where if they can find out
3/25 Hyde: That address I sent you checks out
3/25 Hyde: It's next to the embassy

3/25 Hyde: They are willing to help if you would like a price
3/25 Hyde: Guess you can do anything in Ukraine with money...what I was told
3/25 Parnas LOL

3/26 Hyde: Update. She will not be moved special security unit upgraded force on the compound people are already aware of the situation my contacts are asking what is the next step because they cannot keep going to check people will start to ask questions

3/26 Hyde: if you want her out they need to make contact with security forces
3/26 Hyde: From Ukranians

3/27 Hyde: Wha'ts the word bro
3/27 Hyde: Any good stuff
3/27 Parnas: Call you soon in studio
3/27 Hyde: Let's go Holmes

3/27 Hyde: RG was good but Ingraham had some hard questions
3/27 Hyde: Nothing has changed she is still not moving they check today again
3/27 Hyde: Hi buddy
3/27 It's confirmed we have a person inside

3/28 Parnas send attachment titled Trump takes down FBI
3/28 Hyde: Nice

3/29 Hyde: Hey brother do we stand down??? Or you still need intell be safe
3/29 Hyde: She had visitors
3/29 Hyde: It's confirmed we have a person inside
3/29 Hyde: Hey broski tell me what we are doing what's the next step

3/26/19 Lusenca: My Zlochevsky matter is progressing well. there is testimony about transfers to B
3/26/19 Lusenca : and here you cant even get rid of one(female) fool

3/26/19 Parnas: She's not a simple fool, trust me.
3/26/19 Parnas: But she's not getting away

Amb Yovanovitch abruptly returned to Washington on April 25th, because of fears for her safety.

her recall became public on May 7th

Hyde's removal from Doral was on May 16

She was terminated as Amb on May 20th

trump's call with Zelensky July 25th


https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12872030

[Bernardo de La Paz]

73. thx, but how about the Hyde texts? They were March 25

[mercuryblues]

74. Thnx. I'm going to edit that with the texts included

[mnhtnbb]

24. No president has ever been as deserving to become the FIRST POTUS

in history to be impeached, convicted, and removed from office.

Maybe the orange one will finally get to really go down in history.

[MineralMan]

26. He won't allow that to happen. He'll resign and be pardoned by Pence.

He has that card safely in his back pocket, and can use it at any time before his term of office is up, either next January or under threat of being removed from office. He can use it at any moment of his choosing.

I think he will. Remember, he could resign after he loses the 2020 election and still benefit from that pardon. Hell, he could resign on January 19, 2021 and Pence could pardon him within minutes of taking his place. And there's not a damned thing any of us could do about it. Trump knows that. Pence knows that. Everyone knows that.

He can play that card any time. It is the ultimate Joker in the deck.

[bluestarone]

44. While i agree with your thoughts her, i'm curious

Do you think the senate WOULD impeach, if tRUMP refused to step down? Wonder what would happen if tRUMP was crazy enough to call the Senates bluff? Could get interesting being RUSSIA knows some shit on some RETHUGS in the senate.

[ewagner]

27. Slowing down for a minute...

There is absolutely no evidence that Hyde has any connections to people in Ukraine...

The odds that he is a lone "nut case" are very high.

What is absolutely bizarre is that Rudy, Parnas and even Trump seemed to take his word that surveillance was taking place and the his "people" were inside some sort of security force (Ukrainian, Private, U.S. ???) The fact that Guilliani, Parnas and Trump took this guy's tweets and emails as evidence without any kind of vetting shows just how amateurish and simplistic this whole operation was.

'There is no connection that has been pro-offered as a reasonable theory.

Additionally, we know NOTHING, ZERO, ZIP, NADA about this guy's background or how he make/made a living before and during his run for Congress.

I'm not going to go off the deep end until I see some reasonable explanation as to just "how, who and where" this guy got connections into the Ukraine.

[MineralMan]

30. Patience, Grasshopper...

The story is not fully told yet.

[ewagner]

32. That's my point

I wonder what would/will happen if it turns out that Hyde played out a fantasy on Team Trump and was really just a random nut case and not a "mobbed-up" operative....

We need to protect ourselves for any eventuality.

[MineralMan]

37. I think you're overthinking this.

They're all nuttier than fruitcakes in that group. They don't operate on the same reasoning the rest of us use.

I don't know the answers to your questions. I doubt that it's anywhere near as complicated as you think, though.

[ewagner]

38. I hope you're right...n/t

[MineralMan]

41. So do I.

[Prosper]

34. By Hyde???

Who are you? Tell us about yourself in 300 words or less.

Robert Finley Hyde is an U.S. Marine Corps Iraqi war veteran and Republican candidate for U.S. Congress in Connecticut's 5th Congressional District. Grew up in Canton Connecticut and started a small business while attending CCSU. Went to Iraq while in the Marines in 2003. Came home and grew the company to just about a hundred employees. Robert Hyde is an ardent support of our duly elected president, President Trump, and his agenda of renewing American Greatness. Robert believes the residents of northwestern Connecticut in the Fifth District deserve better than their current - and past - leadership. There is no one more better than Robert Hyde to represent CT-5.Â

Baker acted last year at Doral

[ewagner]

43. Okay...

small business owner/ ~100 employees...no connect to Ukraine mentioned there.

U.S. Marine, Iraqi war veteran...Okay...in the middle east 17 years ago...any current contacts to Ukraine/Iraq/Russia?

Baker Act(ed) at Mara Lago last year....

old saying: Get an "atta boy" for serving in the Marines...another "attaboy" for serving in combat....and another for starting and running a successful business


but

Baker act earns his one "awwww shit!" which cancels out 1,000 "attaboys"!

[Prosper]

64. Says he was under observation for 8 days . Wonder if he had to pay ?

[mercuryblues]

62. There are dozens of photos

of Hyde with the who's who of people involved with this scandal. They know him and know him well.

just a few here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212870770


More here, you may have to scroll down a bit to see them.

https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1217253312942223361&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.democraticunderground.com%2F100212871924

[Linda Ed]

71. We don't know

but I can guarantee you that our authorities do. This information would not of been released if it was not verified by someone...let that sink in

[Moostache]

42. In anything resembling a functional government, the removal from office would be assumed now...

Unfortunately, we do not have a functional government at the moment...it has been broken since the Clinton Impeachment, through the Bush foreign misadventures and lies that cost millions or lives and trillions of dollars, through the obstruction of ANYTHING Obama wanted from 2010 through 2016, right up to the theft of the 2016 election and the colossal shit show that has been the Trump 'administration' (it is really nothing more than a pathetic distillation of his idiotic TV show brought to our government).

The facts of the case against Trump are clear and incontrovertible.
There has been no defense of the president beyond saying "well, THAT'S not even a 'high crime or misdemeanor' to date.

Trump ordered a shake down of a foreign head of state.
Trump dispatched his lawyer and that lawyer's goons to strong arm the particulars BEFORE the call...
Trump KNEW the plot against Yovanovitch from the very start, and was in on planning a hit job / assassination if necessary.
Trump approved payments to these same goons, and also blessed Rudy's drug deal from on high...

If this had been President Obama in anything close to 1/1000th of this much criminality, the GOP would have stormed the White House and tried to lynch him on the south lawn.

Donald J. Trump is a criminal a thousand times over. He is a fraud of a 'man' and a fraud in business, life and love. He is the ultimate failure - a man unloved and incapable of giving love. He is his own cautionary tale of how NOT to live life if human relationships matter to you at all.

But the criminals and cowards in the US Senate (including ANY Democratic Senators who vote to acquit to save their worthless asses) are going to give him a pass, which he will falsely claim as vindication and absolution and which his followers will believe.

The whole thing is enough to make one want to simply give up and move to a safe distance to watch the implosion from afar...only when this thing collapses, there is NO safe distance to run to...Trump and the GOP are prepared to destroy the world to retain power...Al Gore gave up a fight he could have pursued further for the good of the nation, Barack Obama suffered the most puerile treatment and accumulated disrespect for the good of the nation.

The entire GOP and the Trumper cult that has overrun it are the bandits from the story in "The Dark Knight" - they just want to watch the world burn, and they are more than happy to throw matches into the tinder to make it happen.

[Raven123]

46. Clearly there needs to be a criminal investigation into the threats against Yovanovitch

[MineralMan]

49. There won't be. Barr.

Trump has surrounded himself with protection against such investigations.

The House can do some stuff, now that it has a Democratic majority. But, it has no power to investigate or prosecute criminal behavior.

The trick will be to convince enough Senators to dump Trump, based on a threat to their re-election. That's where the public comes in. I don't know if people will do it, but they could convince enough Senators that their sinecure's are seriously threatened.

[Pachamama]

53. IMPotus Trump clearly wants to not only be a War President, but an Assassination President

There is for me not a single doubt that he knew and he ordered it.

[MineralMan]

56. He is a dangerous man, indeed.

[SunSeeker]

57. K & R for exposure.

[MineralMan]

59. Thanks!

[ffr]

60. Or worse, he was mob boss orchestrating something bad on a U.S. citizen.

LOCK HIM UP!

[KPN]

61. Exactly ... and why the move for dismissal

as well as Moscow Mitch’s “I am in lockstep with the WH on the impeachment trial” — he’s compromised and in this up to his eyeballs as well. He and tRump are in essence, if not in willful act, Russian agents.

[moondust]

66. History of Trump threats.

2018: A Short History of Threats Received by Donald Trump’s Opponents

I don't recall if Michael Cohen was ever questioned about these or other threats made on behalf of Trump.

[warmfeet]

76. He needs to go through some things.

Namely. Lockable doors.

[guillaumeb]

78. Is it now Trump's time in the barrel?

One can hope.

[Aussie105]

79. "3/25 Hyde: They are willing to help if you would like a price "

Modern day hit men no longer come straight out and say "You want us to rub her out Boss? Just give us the word. But it will cost you."

But the meaning remains the same.

[Hekate]

81. KnR