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Marthe48

(16,994 posts)
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:03 PM Jan 2020

Yard Sale page on Facebook somebody posted pro prayer in school

I am so happy to report that the majority of comments are that forced prayer in school should not be allowed. And many people point out that you can pray in school to yourself, any time you want. And separation of church and state. And other good reasons.

I was so happy to see such a supportive response to keeping forced prayer out of schools that I had to share

And several people noted that it was a yard sale page, what is a repost about prayer in school doing on that page?


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Marthe48

(16,994 posts)
3. I think the admins. took the post down, but nice while it lasted!
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:11 PM
Jan 2020
I live in the Bible Belt, so it was great to see so many people who didn't want prayer in school.

safeinOhio

(32,709 posts)
5. Our Founding Fathers were well aware
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:42 PM
Jan 2020

Of centuries of sectarian wars in Europe. Those were all about which Christian Church’s prayers schools could pray.

Smart guys.

Wounded Bear

(58,677 posts)
9. The Talibangelists lack of knowledge of history will bit us in the ass...
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 07:07 PM
Jan 2020

unless we continue the fight. They want to think "Christian" and make it their specific brand of Christianity. The historical fact is that some of the most vicious wars in history were between two factions of the same religion.

The Arab world is arguing most about two versions of Islam vying for political power. The religious wars of the 16th-17th century involved several flavors of Christianity, all vying for political power.

My copy of the Constitution says it is illegal and forbidden for anyone to use political power to force me to follow your church doctrine. Just fuck off.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,869 posts)
6. I was in Elementary school in the 50's and I don't
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:48 PM
Jan 2020

remember that we ever said prayers. We said the Pledge of Allegiance every morning and there was a flag in every classroom...That was in Spokane.

Everyone I knew went to church on Sunday but no one ever talked about it. Well. Not everyone went but no one ever mentioned it.

We did have an active John Burch Society.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
13. You were lucky - there were teachers in my schools who began every class with prayer
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 07:26 PM
Jan 2020

One continued even after the Supreme Court decision - and had to be reprimanded dozens of times. One boy who was Jehovah's Witness would stand outside the class until she was finished. She'd mark him late every single day and send him for the office. She was the one who got into trouble but it wasn't until the school board began the process to fire her that she stopped making the children pray every day in her class. They still fired her since she had been defiant for far too long and took advantage of the breaks she was given until the bitter end.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,869 posts)
16. She was just mean.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:08 PM
Jan 2020

We did have prayer in convocations when I was in high school in Salt Lake City. Every high school had a Mormon church school building that sat on the other side of the parking lot. The Mormon kids took Church History, Book of Mormon, New Testament and Old Testament. They got credit for Old and New Testament.

School convocations always started with a prayer. Everyone stood up and crossed their arms and stayed that way until the end of the prayer. It made me crazy. I'm a lot more tolerant now.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
17. She was Southern Baptist
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:18 PM
Jan 2020

A breed of religious nut I have always been all too familiar with.

My Mom's family had a long line of Southern Baptist ministers. One of her gg?grandfathers taught the ministers who started the Alabama Baptist Convention which led to the formation of the Southern Baptist Convention. He was a mean piece of work - even in the little biography written by another of his descendants, he is portrayed as really mean. I'm am forever grateful that Mom met Dad and when they married she became a Presbyterian and didn't go back to Alabama to live.

I haven't been very tolerant of religious nuts since my uncle (evangelical Baptist minister) showed his racist side to us kids during the Civil Rights Movement. He personally is responsible for driving me away from religion and I thank him for that. That was about the same time the teacher was forcing prayer on her students so I had a real clear idea of what she was doing and why. Her daughter was in my graduating class and I felt sorry for her having to deal with that not only at home but in school.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
7. I've been a public school teacher for over 40 years.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:51 PM
Jan 2020

(Thank you, GI Bill.)

I'm also a devout Christian.

But I would no more insist that any child under my charge pray to the same God that I worship, than I would cast a vote for Donald Trump.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
10. I would say that most devout Christians BELIEVE there is only one God.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 07:13 PM
Jan 2020

And I'm one of them.

But I'm not ready to condemn those with a different belief.

Crusades? That's been tried. In my estimation, it didn't work out so well.


 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
12. When I hear 'devout Christian' I think of a true believer who is sure of his knowledge that there
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 07:25 PM
Jan 2020

is only one God, not a variety of Gods for each individual.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
14. I'm unwilling to address what "you think" when "you hear" anything.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:20 PM
Jan 2020

I know for a fact that I'm not alone in my perception of what being a Christian actually entails.

(Hint: It involves the actual words of Christ; not the blathering bullshit spewed by the Falwells, Grahams, Osteens, Bakers, and other fake evangelists who seek to monetize my Savior.)

Just one man's opinion.

albacore

(2,399 posts)
15. Whenever I see any post about prayer in school, I post this, so anybody can pass it on and use it...
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:32 PM
Jan 2020

My favorite "LTTE" about prayer in school....

Dear John,

As you know, We've been working real hard in our town to get prayer back in our schools. Finally, the school board approved a plan of teacher-led prayer with the children participating at their own option. Children not wishing to participate were to be allowed to stand out in the hallway during prayer time. We hoped someone would sue us so we could go all the way to the Supreme Court and get the old devil-inspired ruling reversed.

Naturally, we were all excited by the school board action. As you know, our own little Billy (not so little, any more though) is now in the second grade. Of course, Margaret and I explained to him no matter what the other kids did, he was going to stay in the classroom and participate.

After the first day of school, I asked him "How did the prayer time go?"

"Fine."

"Did many kids go out into the hallway?"

"Two".

"Excellent. How did you like your teacher's prayer?"

"It was different, Dad. Real different from the way you pray."

"Oh? Like how?"

"She said, 'Hail Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners...'"

The next day I talked with the principal. I politely explained I wasn't prejudiced against Catholics but I would appreciate Billy being transferred to a non-Catholic teacher. The principal said it would be done right away.

At supper that evening I asked Billy to say the blessings. He slipped out of his chair, sat cross- legged, closed his eyes, raised his hand palms up in the air and began to hum.

You'd better believe I was at the principal's office at eight o'clock the next morning. "Look," I said. 'I don't really know much about these Transcendental Meditationists, but I would feel a lot more comfortable If you could move Billy to a room where the teacher practices an older, more established religion."

That afternoon I met Billy as soon as he walked in the door after school.

"I don't think you're going to like Mrs. Nakasone's prayer either, Dad."

"Out with it."

"She kept chanting Namu Amida Butsu..."

The following morning I was waiting for the principal in the school parking lot. "Look, I don't want my son praying to the Eternal Spirit of whatever to Buddha. I want him to have a teacher who prays in Jesus' name!"

"What about Bertha Smith?"

"Excellent."

I could hardly wait to hear about Mrs. Smith's prayer. I was standing on the front steps of the school when the final bell rang.

"Well?" I asked Billy as we walked towards the car.

"Okay."

"Okay what?"

"Mrs. Smith asked God to bless us and ended her prayer in Jesus' name, amen just like you."

I breathed a sigh of relief. "Now we're getting some place."

"She even taught us a verse of scripture about prayer," said Billy.

I beamed. "Wonderful. What was the verse?"

"Lets see..." he mused for a moment. "And behold, they began to pray; and they did pray unto Jesus, calling him their Lord and their God."

We had reached the car. "Fantastic," I said reaching for the door handle. Then paused. I couldn't place the scripture. "Billy, did Mrs. Smith say what book that verse was from?"

"Third Nephi, chapter 19, verse 18."

"Nephi what?"
"Nephi," he said. "It's in the Book of Mormon.

The school board doesn't meet for a month. I've given Billy very definite instructions that at prayer time each day he's to go out into the hallway. I plan to be at that board meeting. If they don't do something about this situation, I'll sue. I'll take it all the way to the Supreme Court if I have to. I don't need schools or anybody else teaching my son about religion. We can take care of that ourselves at home and at church, thank you very much.

Best Wishes Always,
Bill


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