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[underpants]

1. Ouch

[underpants]

2. Yeah but that's two wives ago

Children in suits at a birthday party.

[Buckeyeblue]

3. Cake and water...

And it looks like the cake has a football on it. So Trump probably got it at a discount from the bakery.

But that is definitely Lev.

[jberryhill]

5. Football balloons and pennants as decoration

It’s Eric’s party.

[Buckeyeblue]

7. That makes sense. But Ivanka is the center of attention!

[jberryhill]

8. She's the center of that particular photo

Last edited Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:18 AM - Edit history (1)

That doesn’t mean anything.

Parnas should be 22 years old in that picture.

On edit: Parnas is 17 years old at the time of that photo

[Kingofalldems]

16. Who is the guy Parnas is standing next to?

[jberryhill]

18. The kid in the purple shirt?

Unless this is some kind of bullshit question and you mean Trump.

But that’s not Ivanka’s birthday party.

In fact, ABC News says that it is Eric’s sixth birthday party, held in 1990. The photo came from Ivana for this piece:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/ivana-trump-opens-surprising-facts-life-donald-trump/story?id=50330454

Parnas would be 18 years old in that picture.

[Kingofalldems]

21. Cause the thread is about Trump lying.

[jberryhill]

26. Okay, then it is good to get the facts straight

Yes Trump is a liar.

And it really helps, when you are calling out a liar, to care about the truth.

The truth is that the photo ran in an ABC News profile of Ivana Trump.

Donald and Ivana divorced in 1991. If that picture is from “25 years ago”, Ivanka would be 13 in that picture. But she’s not.

The picture is of Eric’s sixth birthday party in 1990 - before the divorce. Here is the original source of the picture:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/ivana-trump-opens-surprising-facts-life-donald-trump/story?id=50330454

In 1990, Lev Parnas was 18 years old. He started working in Fred Trump’s operation when he was 16.

[Kingofalldems]

29. Big deal.

I don't care whose party it is, really not relevant.

[jberryhill]

31. You know who else doesn't care about the truth?

[Kingofalldems]

34. This is minor and you know it.

Can't understand why you have spent so much time on whose birthday party it was. Looks like Parnov was a big family favorite, no?

[jberryhill]

38. Remember this one?

I’ll tell you why it’s worth figuring out the truth, and why it matters.

Do you remember this one:

[yardwork]

61. If your facts are wrong it undermines the credibility of the photo.

[Kingofalldems]

24. ......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Parnas#Early_life

[dewsgirl]

10. Actually Twitter is trying to straighten it out, Eric's or Ivanka's.

[jberryhill]

20. ABC News is the source of the photo

Ivana says it is Eric’s sixth birthday party in 1990 when Parnas would have been 18:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/ivana-trump-opens-surprising-facts-life-donald-trump/story?id=50330454

Here it is without the red circle:

[dewsgirl]

22. Thank you.

[jberryhill]

46. And the wider version I posted above...

Is the original image, which appears in Ivana Trump’s book, “Raising Trump”.

[2naSalit]

42. OMG! Do you know what that means?

Lev is ...














An APPRENTICE!!!!!


If he's been hanging around that POS all these years, and he idolizes the jerk, he's been in the inner circle forever and taking notes. He saved everything that could pass for a memento, a treasure trove of trouble for the big liar in chief.

[jberryhill]

43. The photo came from Ivana according to the ABC credits

Here’s a wider view:

[2naSalit]

44. Good Gawdy !

The gold on the woodwork, yikes. (A tattle-tale sign of narcissism for sure.)

I still don't get it with those egg things all over the table, with this enlarged view, thanks BTW, there seem to be speckled eggs too! All over the table with some other weird stuff, you can't put anything on the table, where are the presents? Usually you put the presents somewhere so that everybody can be excited for you, but with eggs all over the table, gives a whole new possible meaning to "walking on eggshells".

Creepy.

[jberryhill]

45. The ABC caption says it is at the Plaza Hotel

Whether the Trumps decorated the Plaza Hotel, I have no idea.

The items on the table are miniature basketballs, baseballs, soccer balls (the ones you believe are speckled) and sneakers.

For a 17 year old, Lev has an impressive 5 o’clock shadow, but some boys start young.

[2naSalit]

47. LOL!

Well, okay then. That explains the EXIT sign!

[Kingofalldems]

50. If you don't think it's him why don't you say so?

[jberryhill]

52. I don't know if it is him or not

That’s a very old looking 17 year old, but I don’t know what he looked like at 17.

No one questions the fact that there are a lot of pictures of Parnas with the Trumps and Giuliani, and no one questions the fact that Sekulow sent Dowd an email stating that Trump was informed that Dowd was proposed to represent him.

So I don’t get the point of posting other recent photos in the thread.

Certainly Trump knew who he was, and certainly Trump is a liar.

That does not make everything said by a random person on Twitter true.

In fact, it is a common discrediting tactic to get people to believe things which are consistent with the truth, but nonetheless incorrect. Stuff like the Texas Air National Guard memo, which was “correct” in terms of W being a shirker, but was a fake document. Another tactic is promoting frauds like Assange or Avenatti.

This photo, is undoubtedly a real picture of Eric Trump’s sixth birthday party, which would have been January 1990 when Parnas was 17 years old.

The person said to be Parnas does not look like a 17 year old. That is simply my opinion, but the reason I have dug into it is because I’m interested to know what the truth is. So, since I don’t know what Lev Parnas looked like at 17, I simply don’t know who that is in this particular photo.

Parnas began working for Kings Highway Realty when he was 16. It is reported that Kings Highway sold Trump properties, but I doubt that a 16 year old has a license to sell real estate. I’d be curious to know what he did, exactly. So he would have been some kid hired a few months earlier by a real estate sales office at the time of this picture. Whatever he did must have been pretty spectacular to be invited to this party after being there just a few months.

This blogger has done a considerable amount of research on the Parnas timeline:

https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/10/16/lev-paranas-had-a-remarkable-start-on-his-path-to-fraud-guarantee/

[jcgoldie]

55. Its amazing how many pictures you can stand right next to a guy...

...without ever meeting!

[2naSalit]

56. And in so many places over so many years...

simply amazing.

[jberryhill]

63. Why do you think Parnas is lying?

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/why-lev-parnas-worked-for-rudy-giuliani-and-donald-trump

Parnas told me that he “bumped into” Trump “plenty of times” at events in New York over the years, but that they didn’t get to know each other until the 2016 campaign.

[Takket]

4. the football balloons crack me up.......

you KNOW drumpf hosted some kind of football party and just reused the same balloons for ivanka's birthday, because he a cheap mother effer lol

[underthematrix]

6. 25 years ago is around the time of Trump's financial woes

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/10/donald-trump-financial-troubles-taxes-1990s

Link to tweet

[jberryhill]

23. Except it was 30 years ago.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/ivana-trump-opens-surprising-facts-life-donald-trump/story?id=50330454

Caption:

Ivana Trump shares a family photo from Eric Trump's sixth birthday party at the Plaza Hotel in New York City in 1990.

——

Ivana and Donald divorced in 1991. The picture is from 1990 when Lev was 18.

[riversedge]

27. so, it was Eric's birthday. I had wondered about the football.

[JDC]

37. The Don still had Ivanka blow out the candles

As an early power play lesson AND Eric never really understood the whole birthday cake dynamic.

He liked playing w the matches though...

[malaise]

9. So who made this photo public

Lev or the first wife?

[dewsgirl]

11. I saw somewhere, Ivanka shared it for an article

a couple years ago. I can't verify that, but I did see it earlier.

[malaise]

12. Oops!

[dewsgirl]

13. Yeah right, hope it's true.🤣

[Kingofalldems]

19. Big oops.

[NCLefty]

14. If that's real, wow.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

15. Trump's right-hand man.....literally!

Donney and Lev - bosom buddies......... ....... ..... ......

[2naSalit]

17. Soooo many questions come to mind looking at that photo!

Like, what the hell are those things all over the table? (They look like brown and white eggs! WTF?)

Why is everything, including the cake, footballish?

How many of those kids are Lev's?

What the hell is on Lev's head? (If that's his hair, there's no wonder why it chose to leave his head.)


I guess that knocks off this particular lie.

[dewsgirl]

28. He was 18 in the photo. ABC news, says it's Eric's 6th birthday.

[2naSalit]

32. Okay, that answers the football question

but what's up with Lev's hair, it looks like he has flaps on either side.

[jberryhill]

39. Hasn't grown the cleft chin yet, either

[Kingofalldems]

48. Oh look, another one:

Link to tweet

[Kingofalldems]

51. Looky here:

&t=15s

[Beartracks]

53. Lying, or dementia? America: Decide.

And while you're at it, America, decide what you should do about Republicans who are 1) actively aiding and abetting a president who lies, or b) actively covering for a president with dementia.

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[dewsgirl]

40. There are photos where Trump has a flap, even occasionally now

bad example. I think its maybe an 80's thing. When my kids or husband's hair looked like that, I knew it would be time for a hair cut.
If you find out what the hell those things on the table are, please let me know.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

59. No, that's definitely an authentic Slavic/Eastern European look...

...so that part’s real.

It could be him, or it could just be some other guy of Eastern European persuasion.

[jberryhill]

60. Ivana's father was an informer for the Czech secret police

[jberryhill]

41. Minor correction, Parnas is 17 years old

Eric’s birthday is January 6, 1984.

Lev Parnas is February 7, 1972.

So Lev is 17 in the picture - just shy of 18.

[Kingofalldems]

49. More

Link to tweet

Pic on the left, cleft not very apparent. Not him?

[jberryhill]

54. "Not very apparent"

...but two lumps on the chin nonetheless visible.

I don’t know if you are looking at those pics on a phone, where it is easy to zoom in, but that picture in the left is a low res version of this one:



...and the cleft chin is obviously there.

It would also seem that his face has gotten considerably rounder over time, if that’s him.

Maybe it’s him, but he was one weird 17 year old.

[Kingofalldems]

25. The gatekeepers.

[C_U_L8R]

30. Thick as thieves.

I can see why Parnas feels betrayed. He risked it all to be Trump's bagman, and Trump denies him as soon as the heat turns up.

[bdamomma]

33. Yea just another lie

he didn't know Jeffrey Epstein either.

[Kingofalldems]

35. I DON'T KNOW THE MAN---Video

[JDC]

36. Jesus H. Trump is suck a lying sack of shit.

[keithbvadu2]

57. Tweet: Trump has posed for more photos with Lev Parnas than his daughter Tiffany

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212881239

Tweet: Trump has posed for more photos with Lev Parnas than his daughter Tiffany

Link to tweet

[Kingofalldems]

58. Wouldn't be surprised.

[tenderfoot]

62. Figures that you'd get push back despite the mountain of evidence elsewhere

eom

[jberryhill]

64. Figures that Twitter users would start a fake story despite the mountain of evidence elsewhere

That's a classic disinfo tactic. The person who first tweeted this as Parnas is an account that came out of nowhere and is now suspended.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lev-parnas-eric-trump-birthday/

The claim that the man in this photograph is Lev Parnas is not based on any credible information. This claim is based solely on the notion that the man in the photograph bears a passing resemblance to Parnas. However, Parnas’ name was not attached to this picture until close to three decades after it was taken. And from what we can tell, Parnas is too young to be the man pictured here.

...

Some social media users have pointed to a report in the New Yorker to bolster the claim that Parnas is indeed the man in this photograph. While the The New Yorker reported that Parnas started selling Trump Organization co-ops for Kings Highway Realty when he was 16, there’s no indication that Parnas had a familiar relationship with the Trump family at that time. In fact, Parnas said that while he bumped into Trump occasionally at events in New York over the years, he didn’t get to know the president until the 2016 presidential campaign...

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Yah, Snopes is lying again, is that it?