****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL THREAD 3****

[BumRushDaShow]

Thread 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212892639
Thread 2 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212892926

[BumRushDaShow]

1. Schiff has yielded time to Zoe Lofgren (D-CA)

as part of the debate of the Schumer Amendment to Turtle's Rules Resolution.

[lamp_shade]

2. Thanks.

[Mersky]

3. Lofgren: the executive has not turned over one document

[C_U_L8R]

4. Hey look. an actual good use of PowerPoint.

The House team really has it together. The contrast with Trump's bunch is striking.

[BumRushDaShow]

5. .....

[NewJeffCT]

6. Team Trump

is playing to please Donny Dolhands and to give Fox News soundbites for the evening news

[BumRushDaShow]

7. Zoe is a national treasure related to the history of these proceedings

[malaise]

9. I'm enjoying her imput

I like how they planned this out

[BumRushDaShow]

17. I think all but 1 of that Impeachment Manager team are lawyers

so they know they have "the burden of proof" and know how to do it - and are doing it against a vast RW media block.

[Me.]

103. This

[NewJeffCT]

8. Thank you for all the people providing live updates

I'm in the office and I'm also suspended on Twitter, so this is a great lifeline for me

[BumRushDaShow]

13. Been there done that 20+ years ago

during the Clinton impeachment. All I had was the radio (NPR was running it) and a couple of folks had those little battery-operated portable TVs.

I used to have something like this -

[NewJeffCT]

16. back in the 80s

I had a little Black & White portable TV & radio - I had won it my senior year in high school and used it my 4 years of college - so I know what you're talking about.

[BumRushDaShow]

20. I had one of those B&W ones too

before I "upgraded"!

(had a couple coworkers who snuck and watched "their stories" around lunchtime (soaps) )

[hlthe2b]

28. THat's what I had on 911 at an office with no access to tv... Remember youngsters, DSL

(broadband) was only penetrating about 4% by 1999 and even in 2001, t-1 lines in businesses still were not going to get you streaming video.


You can imagine dozens of people surrounding that little tv. Wow...

[BumRushDaShow]

38. On 9/11 I kept trying to refresh the CNN webpage at work

and it was overloaded - despite our partial T1 - in a federal government office (while my coworkers had run to a conference room to put on Peter Jennings on TV ).

[ancianita]

10. Lofgren addresses impeachment history/practices so the record shows that Roberts heard it.

Not just the Senate.

And that the American people know the history of impeachment practices.

And what this president has NOT done compared to all the other defendants of impeachment proceedings.

Good graphic/video summary of the president's obstructions.

Straightforward, even toned straight talk. Excellent presentation.

[Arkansas Granny]

14. She's laying out the facts in a way that anyone can see what the procedure should be.

[Bettie]

15. Unfortunately, the Republicans are not planning on

running it fairly or even with any pretense of such.

[ancianita]

18. This is just the kind of presentation to change their constituents' minds, and they know it.

[Arkansas Granny]

21. It still provides the knowledge of how this proceeding should be handled and

how impeachments have been handled in the past. She's getting all of the stonewalling and lack of cooperation on record.

[C_U_L8R]

11. Using Trump video against Trump. Genius.

Do you suppose the President's defenders are getting flop sweat yet?

[Mersky]

12. All 15 previous impeachments have considered new evidence

Highlighted Judge Porteus’s impeachment - had 26 witnesses.

Clinton’s didn’t require any subpoenas, as he was forthcoming.

Etc.

[IcyPeas]

19. all I can say is

at least we know who will be on the right side of history. this is all going down for history. it will one day be seen for what it was.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

24. the victors write history. we have to win this!

[Mersky]

22. Playing Vindman's testimony regarding the talking points

From the official foreign policy perspective, and that tRump did not use in his July 25th call to Zelensky. That tRump went off topic from official policy.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

23. Lofgren is excellent! Point by point.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

25. Getting lots of evidence before the public while tv is focused

[nolabear]

26. Brilliant. I didn't know anything about her. She's terrific. And a tough target!

[BumRushDaShow]

30. She goes back to the Nixon Impeachment prep

as a staffer on the House Judiciary Committee back then. She ran for office and was on that committee as a congresswoman during the Clinton impeachment and is of course a senior member on that committee today. She even pre-dates ASS-ley working "in Congress" as he wasn't there until after Nixon left.

[Roland99]

27. Is this Lofgren who's been talking the last 20min or so?

W O W

She’s been AMAZING!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

31. She's essentially fillibustering the McConnell rules resolution

[Roland99]

33. I was driving home and listening on the radio in utter awe

[NewJeffCT]

35. she has quite a history

was on House Judiciary during the Clinton impeachment and was an intern for the House during the Nixon impeachment

[MFGsunny]

37. YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! n/t

[Mersky]

29. Lofgren after going down the list of missing documents and playing

Clips from Vindman, Williams, and Sondland. Stepped through the importance of others like Volker who has new evidence to submit.

She went on further to read out the findings of the GAO that the OMB violated the law under the ICA (Impoundment Control Act).

There’s so much, really.

Lofgren is easy to listen to, and I’m struggling to type up notes. Is an excellent section to watch for the cliff notes of the many hours of House testimony.

[ancianita]

34. Any American can see how thorough and committed to truth her presentation is.

She's a fantastic patriot.

[Mersky]

40. She is wonderful.

She was on top of that - really well prepared. And yes, a fine example of a true patriot.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

32. Courtroom sketch of Jay Sekulow consulting with Donald Trump.

Cameras aren't allowed in the Senate chamber during the impeachment trial so we'll have to settle for this courtroom sketch of Jay Sekulow consulting with President Trump.

Link to tweet

[MFGsunny]

41. Good one!

Nice to giggle out loud during stressful times like these!

Thank YOU!

[BumRushDaShow]

36. Lofgren done and some unknown lawyer guy from the WH is up

(Patrick Philbin)

[ancianita]

39. He blames the managers and House for "failure" to obtain obstructed evidence! Blaming

the House for what the WH and its cabinet did!

He argues like a cornered loop hole lawyer.

[nolabear]

43. It's like I'm listening to two different "trials." This process stuff is absurd.

If I was Roberts my head would be in my hands.

[BumRushDaShow]

47. I'm sure Roberts is facepalming in his mind

but he knows what their arguments have been and I expect he'll punt to his masters figuring they know what they are doing when it comes to the "court of (ignorant Drumpf base) public opinion".

[ancianita]

50. When Repubs have to consult with him, if they have the nerve, he'd better let them have it.

He cannot, for the legacy of justice under his judicial leadership, let a trial be handled by obfuscation, lies and blaming the prosecuting managers for what the defendant did to obstruct their oversight.

[BumRushDaShow]

54. A shame that we have reached a point where it hinges on him

and even then, his role is really limited in this setting.

[Zoonart]

98. "Facepalming in his mind."....

perfect.

[BumRushDaShow]

42. This guy would be fired by you-know-who

because he is not GYMSUIT JORDAN cray cray or "TV-worthy".

[uponit7771]

49. Yep, Pat is putting me to sleep already

[Mossfern]

44. Wrong

Oh - wait, it's about not going to the courts to get WH documents.
Do congressional subpoenas require authorization?

[uponit7771]

45. So the subpoenas were invalid cause Trump said they were? Who makes up stupid arguments like this?

[rzemanfl]

46. Turned the Repuke clown off. n/t

[Mersky]

48. Hoo boy, apparently this the time when tRump's lawyers

Co-opt the phrasing, ‘ram through’ and project it onto the Democratic side.

Sorry, but Moscow Mitch deserves and owns that wording.

[C_U_L8R]

51. Dry mouth and flop sweat

This guy is convincing no one. And apparently, he knows it.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

52. I see we've moved on to Trump's Low Energy lawyers.

He is energy efficient after all!

[dweller]

53. fresh outta law school ?

milquetoast mannerly, 😞
and a liar too

✌🏼

[Mersky]

55. philbin is taking the, 'I know you are, but what am I' defense.

And is doing so with a tune-out, droning-on quality.

I won’t, I’ll suffer on through it.

[woodsprite]

56. Now, whoever this guy is, he's reloading the Repubs lies. nt

[ancianita]

57. Poor president was the victim of the House prosecution's burden of proof! Stupidstupidstupid.

[GoCubsGo]

58. Holy crap! This Philbin clown is such a fucking liar.

That's some AMAZING revisionist history there, asshole.

[uponit7771]

71. +1, he literally just made shit up as he went along !!

[BumRushDaShow]

59. Ugh. He's done. They announced the House Managers have 8 minutes left - Lofgren up.

[Mossfern]

60. That attorney

was just repeating lying talking point.

[BumRushDaShow]

61. Logren - U.S. v Nixon

"Shouldn't have to litigate this again back up through the courts again."

[TrollBuster9090]

62. "Get that low energy loser Philbin outta there, and put in Collins!"

Five bucks says Trump is on the phone from Switzerland saying that right now, because Patrick Philbin is speaking too slowly, too quietly, and his voice is shaking.

I don't blame him for having a shaky, nervous demeanour. I'd be nervous too, if I was on national TV flushing my career as a legitimate lawyer (as opposed to a Fux Noise TEE VEE jackass) down the crapper.

[ancianita]

63. Zoe Lofgren smashes that clown with history and impeachment precedent!

"This is about getting to the truth, that impartial justice has been applied, and that the American people know that a fair trial has been conducted."

[elleng]

64. The House is ready to present our case!

[BumRushDaShow]

65. Schiff up - YES!

Telling it like it is.

[gademocrat7]

67. Preach it, Rep. Schiff!

[ancianita]

66. Schiff smashes Philbin's arguments.

[woodsprite]

68. I love Adam Schiff! Wonder if he'd ever seek the presidency.... nt

[ancianita]

77. We'll see. I'd happily vote for him.

[BumRushDaShow]

69. Schiff reiterating US v Nixon

regarding a President attempting to invoke privilege for everything.

[capechacon]

70. Adam Shiff is a...

.....goddam national treasure. Smart, effective, patriotic.

Why isn't HE running for president????

[maxsolomon]

114. Impeachment was more important.

He will be the next AG or SoS.

[BumRushDaShow]

72. "Bill Barr's" Justice Department - "There's nothing to see here"

Schiff about the GOP whining - "Gosh they used our rules, how terrible"!!

[badseedboy]

73. Adam

Schiff is looking especially healthy, energetic, positive, and happy to be right where he is in the here and now. What strength there is in that!

[BumRushDaShow]

74. Schiff done. Turtle motion to table. Now doing a roll call to table Schumer's Amendment

[Blaukraut]

75. And now the cover up is officially in progress n/t

[Mossfern]

76. Vote to table

Here we go.

[ancianita]

78. Notice how the Senate vote counter does NOT repeat each senator's vote.

[California_Republic]

79. Here we go

[Mersky]

80. That rat bastard. Calling to table the amendment.

This is an outrage. I am livid.

[dweller]

81. did Burr vote no to table the amendment?

hard to hear w/ judy woodruff yapping ...

✌🏼

[ancianita]

82. Go to MSNBC.

[PA Democrat]

85. I heard him say yes or yeah.

Collins was very quiet and I wasn't sure, but it sounded like she said no.

[Mersky]

83. The republicans and mcconnell are betraying the country.

Right now.

[BumRushDaShow]

84. I heard Romney's loud "Aye" (to table)

[barbtries]

86. where is the vote tally?

apparently this is part of moscow mitch's plan to keep the people from seeing what their traitor reps are up to. on edit i see some democrats aren't any better.

i feel like crying.

[BumRushDaShow]

90. I have it here-

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212893290#post87

[barbtries]

99. thank you.

i'd like to know who voted what. I watched the vote live and couldn't even hear the responses. this is on c-span.

[BumRushDaShow]

87. Roll call - 53 yays - 47 nays - TABLED

[coti]

89. This is why you don't cooperate with this shit. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

93. Unless you decide

to have a civil war, there really is no recourse other than people voting these folks out of office.

[BumRushDaShow]

88. Schumer submitting another Amendment to subpoena docs from the State Department

[Bayard]

91. Clerk reading a request for subpoenas from Schiff

Documents

[coti]

92. Fuck you GOP, you anti-American pieces of shit. nt

[Hermit-The-Prog]

94. GOPers table because a subpoena would prove Article II

[ancianita]

104. It's their vote on Article II.

Fuck the Republican Senators and the partial justice horse they ride in on.

[Mossfern]

95. Another amendment

This is a good way for the House to get their point across - through arguments regarding amendments - even if they're tabled eventually.

[woodsprite]

97. Hope they have a ton lined up. nt

[coti]

100. Get their point across?? Not hearing a shred of evidence is acceptable? nt

[Mossfern]

106. You misunderstood my point

there is at least an opportunity for the House to get the point across about obstruction and an opportunity to reiterate the crimes of the administration.

[coti]

107. No, I got it totally. That's not anywhere near good enough. We want the damned truth. nt

[Mossfern]

109. I think everyone knows the truth

Mitch promised at the beginning that he would table any amendments.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

101. puts GOP on record obstructing rather than trying evidence

[C_U_L8R]

96. Republicans are on a fools errand

They cannot kill the truth. Maybe they’ll delay it a little but their heinous betrayal will be their downfall.

[BumRushDaShow]

102. ****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL THREAD 4**** UP

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212893638

[ancianita]

108. Time out for McConnell to take a leak and threaten his party to stay in line.

[Mersky]

105. I feel like I've been slapped.

So, I’ll make some campaign contributions, and contemplate my peaceful protest options.

[EndlessWire]

110. I'm going out to buy comfort food

...Romney voted to table the amendment...he can shove it. Repubs are all the same.

Well, we all know how this will go. I was surprised that the vote was within range, but I do not remember how many we have there.

Who do you think will be the one to call for a vote to dismiss the trial? Is that
McConnell?

[ariadne0614]

111. Call me a cock-eyed optimist, but I fervently want to believe. . .

. .that everyone on this thread has called his/her Senators. Remember the scene in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington?

[wnylib]

112. My Senators are both Dems snd I know where they

stand. No need for me to call either Kirsten Gillibrand or Chuck Schumer except to say "Thanks and keep on it."

[Mersky]

113. Yes. It's time to call and fill up those mailboxes.

That abrupt tabling was disgraceful.

[Doremus]

115. If you can text with a smart phone, text 504-09

You can send faxes or actually call your Congress reps. The bot dials the number so you don't even need to look it up. A wonderful tool. Just finished leaving an angry message to Rob Portman, the Trump sycophant.

[Mersky]

116. Wow. It faxes them.

My mind is blown - in a good way.

[Doremus]

117. Yes, it's an awesome tool! nt

[Mersky]

118. I only got the option to email, but I like it.

Is a nifty idea.