****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL THREAD 4****

[BumRushDaShow]

Thread 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212892639
Thread 2 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212892926
Thread 3 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212893290

[BumRushDaShow]

1. Senate clerk is reading Schumer' next Amendment to the Rules Resolution

to allow for subpoena info from the State Department.

[nolabear]

2. They sure tabled that last one quick. I guess that's how it'll go.

[C_U_L8R]

3. Is there a limit on amendments?

We can do this all day - making Republicans defend Trumps corruption is powerful indelible stuff.

[BumRushDaShow]

4. ****10 MINUTE RECESS****

to consider the 2nd Amendment and Turtle said the would file a motion to table that too.

[Bayard]

5. McConnell just called for a break

And as soon as they get back, he says he'll vote for tabling this amendment too.

Asshole.

[ancianita]

6. Time out for McConnell to take a leak and threaten his party to stay in line.

Article II vote is now in.

Until the evidence is brought up at the end.

Maybe that will change Republicans' final vote on the both articles.

[uponit7771]

11. lol ... at the same time too, I'm thinking Moscow Mitch doesn't have a Pelosi lock on the senate

[ancianita]

13. While they piss away democratic government in the latrine.

[BumRushDaShow]

7. CSPAN2 host just mentioned that Lofgren has become the first woman Impeachment manager

to present at an Impeachment trial.

(of course there have only been 2 other Impeachment trials before this one too)

[NewJeffCT]

14. A lot more than 2 impeachments

if you include judicial and other federal impeachments

[BumRushDaShow]

16. Implied for a "Presidential" impeachment

Although I don't know who all the Impeachment Managers were for the judicial impeachments, so there may not have been any women in that role either because it is only recently that women have been elected in Congress in the numbers that they are there now.

[NewJeffCT]

17. In 1999

Cheryl Mills was pretty prominent as one of Clinton's defense team managers/members.

[uponit7771]

8. Schiff is not boring and he's cussing a little, that's bad for the kGOP

[dem4decades]

85. I'm more impressed with him by the moment. His book will be a must read.

[Miles Archer]

9. Claire McCaskill: I think it's going to be a 53-47 party line vote on every one of these amendments

She and Michael Steel agree, McConnell cut a deal with Collins and Portman on his earlier concessions in exchange for a party line vote on EVERYTHING ELSE.

"No facts. no documents, no witnesses."

[ancianita]

12. Fucked up justice, fucked up oath taking, fucked up Republicans, fucked up trial.

[Mersky]

19. They are committing fraud against the American people.

[bdamomma]

44. so what are

the American people going to do just roll with it, or maybe we should roll them. The party of tRump vs. some the sane American people.

[coti]

10. Fuck these corrupted fucks.

I'm so fucking pissed. The GALL of this shit. They have nothing but contempt for our country, the Constitution, and the idea of truth.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

15. is it now 24 hrs/3 days -each- side? (assuming no amend)

[Hermit-The-Prog]

18. PBS only local broadcaster still on this

Local broadcast ABC, NBC, CBS are back on "regular programming". PBS showing previous recorded Adam Schiff.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

20. back live

[BumRushDaShow]

21. ****BACK IN SESSION****

[Vinca]

22. The Democrats have been so impressive and the Republicans have demonstrated

their cult membership. Even Susan "I'm Concerned" Collins. I hope each and every one of them up for election loses.

[bdamomma]

48. give a small donation or whatever you can give

to their opponents. Sara Gideon in Maine, and Amy McGrath in Kentucky.

[BumRushDaShow]

23. Val Demmings (D-FL) up to argue in support of Schumer's latest Amendment

[Hermit-The-Prog]

24. Val Demings up now

[malaise]

25. Val up now

Let's Go!

[ancianita]

26. Not using arguments to get a vote FOR more docs isn't a strong start.

[wnylib]

27. Today's news headlines should read

SENATE COVERUP!!

I am listening to NPR in order to do necessary things while following the 'trial' .

Early on, an NPR commentator engaged in blatant, shameless bothsideism. When Pubs claimed that the trial is set up the same as Clinton's and Dems pointed out the glaring differences, the NPR commentator ssid, during a break, that both claims were correct and then cited similarities while glossing over differences.

NPR also annoyingly cuts into speakers with 2 and sometimes 3 back to back announcements on the hour identifying all their local affiliates, who is speaking at the moment, which party they are with, and the 'news' that "You are listening to the US Senate impeachment trial of President Donald J. Trump."

By the time they finish, I have missed big chunks of the speaker's comments or arguments.

[ancianita]

28. That's how NPR leans in to right wing corporate priorities of historical moments in US history.

[coti]

29. Yeah, NPR lost their cred many, many years ago nt

[ancianita]

31. Can you stream the trial on a laptop to listen?

[wnylib]

36. They have a few corporate sponsors now and

need to keep them happy.

[BumRushDaShow]

33. If you can stream

You might be able to try CSPAN Radio (app or from their weblink - https://www.c-span.org/networks/standalone/?autoplay)

I don't think that the radio version requires you have a cable/sat provider subscription to use like their video streams (when done directly from the CSPAN website). None of the talking heads except during recesses or breaks.

[BumRushDaShow]

30. Demmings is doing a good job laying out the case!

[ancianita]

32. But I want her to eventually get to the point of their vote on passing this motion.

[BumRushDaShow]

34. This is to get info from the State Department that Pompeo has refused to release.

She's getting into what is all the crap that the "3 Amigos" were doing (and she just mentioned Ghouliani).

[Hermit-The-Prog]

35. that's what she's doing. all of this should be illuminated by subpoena

[BumRushDaShow]

37. BWAH!!! Rachel's Parnas interview (a clip) now "officially" included in the Senate record

as part of the impeachment.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

42. Moscow Mitch can't vote himself an eraser, can he?

[BumRushDaShow]

43. I expect he can do a motion to "strike" stuff from the record

if he really wants to be an ass.

[mucifer]

45. he has an awful lot of power so if he can, he will

[Hermit-The-Prog]

49. well, it went out over live tv, at least

[Mersky]

38. Parnas interview clip!

[BumRushDaShow]

39. Now "officially" in the Impeachment record

[Mersky]

40. Yes! It's in there!

[nolabear]

41. Ms Demming is NOT having this.

I could not love her more.

[ancianita]

47. Florida looks all the better for her doing this. If Florida only appreciated her.

[Mersky]

46. It should not be this hard to get records from government officials.

Demings is doing a great job of laying out the importance of these records from the state dept. These are not unreasonable requests.

[coti]

50. Repubics have to be laughing and wondering "How the HELL are we getting away with this?" nt

[Mersky]

62. Oh, they know how they're getting away with it:

Years of propaganda.

What they haven’t yet felt are the repercussions of their dysfunctional dogma. They’re bleeding the country of value - moral and monetary. It should catchup with them, and could occur before the election. It didn’t just start with tRump. We’re already paying for republican policies from past decades. They deserve to go down for their corruption and siphoning off of the futures of the younger generations.

[Mersky]

51. Clip of Spier questioning Kent

That his memo noting the Ukrainian scheme is being held at the State Dept.

[in2herbs]

52. Watching this makes me wonder... When a D is president won't s/he be allowed to declassify

and release all of the docs and telephone calls that trump and Rs are withholding?? And, when released, would there be any charges that could be levied against trump for this when he is no longer pres???

[BumRushDaShow]

53. Remember like with Ford and Nixon

you have Pence there who can do a "blanket" pardon.

Only way to nail him is from the state of NY (or other states that have cases).

[Hermit-The-Prog]

56. they hope to prevent any D ever attaining that office again

[Hermit-The-Prog]

54. insipid Cip up

[BumRushDaShow]

55. Demmings done. Cippycup is up.

[BumRushDaShow]

57. Cippy done and here comes the idiot Suckylow.

[malaise]

59. That's a really awful dyejob

Daymmmmmmmm!

[BumRushDaShow]

61. Like Raygun's shoe polish

[Hermit-The-Prog]

60. it's Jacketoff with a jacket and some downers

[C_U_L8R]

58. Dude... indoor voice.

He's not making a very strong case... about anything in particular. But that microphone is sure covered in spittle.

[BumRushDaShow]

63. He'll be pounding the table soon.

because of a lack of those facts or the law being on their side.

AND HERE IT COMES! (as a closing)

[BumRushDaShow]

64. Suckylow done. Schiff up (has 13 minutes remaining for their time)

[blogslut]

65. Jay has a mad

So mad

[C_U_L8R]

67. Lawyer lawsuits!!!

S-Cow seems to throwing a trump.

[BumRushDaShow]

66. Schiff putting out there that the WH has been suing against the subpoenas

while bullshitting right now about "Why doesn't the House subpoena??!!!111111!".

[Mersky]

68. I couldn't follow suckulow's 'lawyer lawsuit' tack, either

I’m in good company with Schiff on that one, and so much else.

[C_U_L8R]

69. When do you suppose...

GOP Senators will realize they've walked right into a trap of their own making.
They really aren't the smart party, are they? Two plus two.

[DeminPennswoods]

70. The party line votes make me think there's something

else going on behind the scenes. Maybe there's a deal(s) that the "mushy middle" Rs will vote with McConnell now in return for being able to vote for docs and witnesses later? Because this is not a good look for the Rs.

[Mersky]

71. Schiff explained that Bolton and kupperman share the same attorney

So when kupperman sued to avoid complying with the subpoena, the Intelligence Committee assumed Bolton would do the same when he threatened just that.

Since then, the kupperman lawsuit wound up in dismissal at the end of December, and interest in Bolton has been renewed as a result.

(More generally, he should testify because it’s the right thing to do.)

[BumRushDaShow]

72. Schiff done. Motion by Turtle to table this amendment. Doing a roll call vote.

[nolabear]

73. Aaaaaaaaand the predictable vote begins.

I hope they don’t sleep for the rest of their lives.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

75. Republicans are still dreaming of absolute rule

[Mersky]

74. Schiff: We're trying to have a real trial here.

“It’s the pResident that wants to rush through it.”

...
And that’s the truth.

[Mersky]

76. Whelp, time to make more contributions

That’ll be another against mcconnell, and one or two other candidates.

[BumRushDaShow]

77. 53 yays 47 nays - TABLED

[BumRushDaShow]

78. Schumer submits another Amendments for subpoenas/docs from OMB

[Hermit-The-Prog]

79. yep -- WH, State, now OMB

[DeminPennswoods]

80. I'd sure love to know what CJ Roberts is thinking

watching all of this.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

81. "When is pizza time?"

[BumRushDaShow]

82. Lawyers (except for the Drumpf side show hucksters) are readers

so I expect he has read up on what happened with the Clinton impeachment and was probably aware when the Nixon inquiries and hearings were going on given his age (he would have been 18 in 1973).

[DeminPennswoods]

93. When Cipollone used a reference to a USSC ruling,

I thought to myself, Roberts is the one guy who is going to know if this is correct or not.

[BumRushDaShow]

95. The one thing I have noticed with Roberts

is that he will give one side a good "win" and then come back around and give them a good "loss". Literally. Like a (bizarre) "balance".

(e.g., rule "for" Obamacare and then come back around and rule "against" VRA Sections)

[BumRushDaShow]

83. Turtle is trying to hurry it up to go through the debate so they can take a 30 minute dinner break

[BumRushDaShow]

84. Jason Crow (D-CO) up to present for this Schumer Amendment

He is a freshman Congressman (from 2018) so this is his first big break. As I understand, he was one of the freshman who had originally campaigned against Pelosi when she was running for speaker.

[VarryOn]

86. Was at work all day excited to get home to watch the trial...

Made it about 30 minutes. Not the most exciting television. Hopefully it will pick up after all the housekeeping.

[BumRushDaShow]

87. Today was pretty much going to be devoted to the housekeeping stuff

debating the Rules Resolution (including debating the Amendments to it and then voting to table them by Turtle).

HOWEVER, the Democrats ARE getting info out to the public again - and to the Senators, many of whom (including on our side) haven't had chance to really delve into the case evidence outside of what their aides may have summarized for them or what they read or heard in the news.

[VarryOn]

90. Good to hear! nt

[hlthe2b]

91. You need to realize that though Dems are smartly introducing some evidence, today is all about

deciding the process. The past three segments have been presenting arguments in favor of specific amendments to allow various testimony and documents.

By getting actual evidence in, they are not simply making dry arguments for inclusion of witnesses and documents. They are exposing Republican obstruction and whitewashing for all the world to see.

[VarryOn]

94. I get it now...

With the Clinton impeachment, it was a huge deal. I remember lots of watercooler talk at the office about it. No one was talking about this one today. It doesnt seem like as big of a deal.

Impeachment is a major historical event. I'm so far not feeling it with this one. Is it because the outcome is supposedly deter,ined? I dont know.

[Kali]

96. the orange asshole has sucked all the air out of our lives and the news cycle for 3 or 4 years

everyday is some new trolling, nobody can keep up with it all. the Clinton impeachment was still basically pre cable and pre internet for the masses. it is a new world and the troll is a master of distraction. distracted morons can't keep up with truth and fact even if they wanted to.

[MFGsunny]

97. Eggs-actly.

And it's a beauty to behold on our side.

They have been excellent :: competent, well-prepared and totally aware they are also speaking to the American public, not just the Senators.

WELL DONE!

[OnDoutside]

88. Did anyone listen to Lawrence O'Donnell's take on what's going on ?

I just missed him.

[Mersky]

89. Interesting. Crow started with his experience of searching

For scrap metal to fashion armor for their vehicles when he was stationed in Baghdad. That when troops don’t receive funds or equipment they need, it is a personal matter to him.

Then turned to the hundreds of millions withheld from Ukraine. Said that we know there’s more to the story. That we know this, because the pResident had to turn to the OMB to find a way to further hold up the funds.

He mentioned how many in the senate chamber voted for funding to Ukraine. (I didn’t catch the number, but I liked that he referenced their votes.)

[BumRushDaShow]

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