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Cattledog

(5,914 posts)
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 05:55 PM Jan 2020

Dad, 4-year-old son shot in head after gun fires during 'play wrestling'

BLOOMINGTON — A 36-year-old man and his 4-year-old son were both shot in the head on Sunday after a gun discharged while they were "play wrestling."

According to a report from the Monroe County Sheriff's Office, deputies were called to a home in the 1200 block of East Zinnia Drive, south of Bloomington, on Sunday on report of a gunshot wound. When deputies arrived, they found two people who had sustained gunshot wounds to the head.

Deputies said the man was "play wrestling" with his son while carrying a handgun concealed on the small of his back. During the play wrestling, the gun fell from the man's body and one shot was fired. The shot struck both the man and his 4-year-old in the head.

https://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/dad-4-year-old-son-shot-in-head-after-gun-fires-during-play-wrestling

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Dad, 4-year-old son shot in head after gun fires during 'play wrestling' (Original Post) Cattledog Jan 2020 OP
If only there had been a good guy with a gun... PJMcK Jan 2020 #1
Wow, that's some responsible gun ownership right Bettie Jan 2020 #2
The term "accident" should NEVER be... 3catwoman3 Jan 2020 #11
Playing with guns... Mendocino Jan 2020 #3
Wonderful. Idiot with a piece of shit gun that fires when it falls? jmg257 Jan 2020 #4
Gun Control Act of 1968 made drop-safety tests mandatory for gun manufacturers melm00se Jan 2020 #45
I hope arrested! nt USALiberal Jan 2020 #5
Too soon! Too soon! gratuitous Jan 2020 #8
"At least I know I'm free!!!!" RhodeIslandOne Jan 2020 #6
Any witnesses? sarisataka Jan 2020 #7
Yes, it is htuttle Jan 2020 #13
So there are good guys with guns, bad guys with guns and idiots with guns. Vinca Jan 2020 #9
Apparently in critical condition. May not survive, or end up profoundly handicapped. Crunchy Frog Jan 2020 #21
Wow guns do fire themselves Fullduplexxx Jan 2020 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Rainbow Droid Jan 2020 #12
What sort of idiot Ohiogal Jan 2020 #14
Talk about reckless endangerment of a minor. avebury Jan 2020 #15
And it's the child in critical condition. His ammosexual father is expected to recover. Neema Jan 2020 #16
I hope it doesn't, because I hope that child recovers completely lostnfound Jan 2020 #17
I hope it haunts him while he sits in prison. Crunchy Frog Jan 2020 #22
I feel sorry only for the kid. Dad should be required to make video lostnfound Jan 2020 #25
I hope the child recovers too, but I also hope looking at his kid's face reminds him every day Neema Jan 2020 #24
Yeah, this didn't happen like this obamanut2012 Jan 2020 #18
What are the odds of both of them getting shot in the head? Sounds suspicious... Luciferous Jan 2020 #19
Man shoots self and son in the head. Fixed it. Crunchy Frog Jan 2020 #20
I've seen that in a LOT of articles. "Gun discharged" "gun went off." Nt lostnfound Jan 2020 #26
Yeah, Isn't That True Every Time? ProfessorGAC Jan 2020 #30
I hope the 4 year old victim makes a full recovery. ecstatic Jan 2020 #23
That sure sounds like a magic bullet to me. catbyte Jan 2020 #27
I wouldn't care if these irresponsible gun owners just killed or maimed themselves. Kaleva Jan 2020 #28
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Jan 2020 #29
Police Identify Bloomington Man struggle4progress Jan 2020 #31
Glock 19 handgun discharged Sunday night struggle4progress Jan 2020 #32
Don't understand why he thought it was okay to play wrestle while carrying. Kaleva Jan 2020 #34
Not A Gun Guy ProfessorGAC Jan 2020 #35
No a Glock would NOT go off as described. It has a trigger safety and a "hammer"(pin) jmg257 Jan 2020 #36
+1 Blue_Tires Jan 2020 #39
Yep, so who pulled the trigger all the way to fully retract the striker? MerryBlooms Jan 2020 #40
Weird - it just hit me as I read your response...Wouldn't jmg257 Jan 2020 #42
No way the dad's story holds up. MerryBlooms Jan 2020 #44
Thanks ProfessorGAC Jan 2020 #46
Yep the story is BS - a GLock (almost definitely) won't go off without trigger being pulled. jmg257 Jan 2020 #37
"The sheriff's office wouldn't say whether the father was charged, citing the ongoing investigation" struggle4progress Jan 2020 #47
#murca NCLefty Jan 2020 #33
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #38
Did the boy die? sl8 Jan 2020 #41
I don't imagine the father is too upset. Aristus Jan 2020 #43

Bettie

(16,083 posts)
2. Wow, that's some responsible gun ownership right
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 06:01 PM
Jan 2020

there.

Of course, dear old dad won't be charged with anything and it will be written off as a 'tragic accident'.

3catwoman3

(23,965 posts)
11. The term "accident" should NEVER be...
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 06:16 PM
Jan 2020

...used to describe these incidents of flat outright goddamned negligence and child endangerment.

I’ve had a 43+ year career as a pediatric nurse practitioner. Parental stupidity make me crazy. If it were up to me, parenting would be a licensed profession and this dumbass dad wouldn’t get one.

The ability to juxtapose genitalia is not a sufficient qualification for being a parent.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
8. Too soon! Too soon!
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 06:13 PM
Jan 2020

Hasn't this poor guy suffered enough? His son is in critical condition in the hospital. It's too soon to start pointing fingers and laying blame. Say, isn't there a new immigrant/refugee caravan on the way? Let's talk about that instead!

Vinca

(50,251 posts)
9. So there are good guys with guns, bad guys with guns and idiots with guns.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 06:15 PM
Jan 2020

Hope the kid somehow grows up smarter. Actually, I hope the kid manages to grow up without being killed by dad.

Response to Cattledog (Original post)

Ohiogal

(31,956 posts)
14. What sort of idiot
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 06:42 PM
Jan 2020

wrestles with his child while while wearing a loaded gun tucked inside his pants? IDIOT!

avebury

(10,952 posts)
15. Talk about reckless endangerment of a minor.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 06:54 PM
Jan 2020

The father should face criminal charges. I refuse to cut the guy any slack because of his suffering for what he did to his son Actions should have consequences. Failure to press charges on these types of incidents is precisely why nothing ever changes.

Neema

(1,151 posts)
16. And it's the child in critical condition. His ammosexual father is expected to recover.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:34 PM
Jan 2020

What an idiot. I hope it haunts him for the rest of his life.

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
22. I hope it haunts him while he sits in prison.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 10:44 AM
Jan 2020

The only country where you can shoot your kid in the head and people will feel sorry for you.

lostnfound

(16,169 posts)
25. I feel sorry only for the kid. Dad should be required to make video
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 05:13 AM
Jan 2020

Showing the story of what happened, and mandate that such films are shown before gun purchase? Like they do for driver licenses and like the right wing mandates ultrasounds before abortions.

Putting him in jail and leaving the mom and kid alone to struggle through medical treatments and poverty together (after medical bills) doesn’t help the kid though. Who knows where the medical insurance comes from.

Neema

(1,151 posts)
24. I hope the child recovers too, but I also hope looking at his kid's face reminds him every day
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 11:18 AM
Jan 2020

what a fucking idiot he is.

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
20. Man shoots self and son in the head. Fixed it.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 10:39 AM
Jan 2020

Guns don't shoot themselves. Dad is fully responsible for negligently discharging his firearm. He should suffer severe legal repercussions, but people are rarely held to account when they are so irresponsible with their firearms.

Amazing the way the article reads as if the gun somehow acted autonomously.

ProfessorGAC

(64,968 posts)
30. Yeah, Isn't That True Every Time?
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:18 AM
Jan 2020

Kennedy shot. Gun went off. Oh, mostly cuz some guy pulled the f'n trigger.
Of course the gun went off.
That is just lazy writing by the reporter and a lame press release by the cops.

ecstatic

(32,677 posts)
23. I hope the 4 year old victim makes a full recovery.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 11:09 AM
Jan 2020

I was told that a glock could be dropped from a building and still wouldn't go off unless the trigger was pulled. Of course, that's not true of glocks nor any other gun out there. It's just another lie put out there by the merchants of death.

catbyte

(34,360 posts)
27. That sure sounds like a magic bullet to me.
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 06:43 AM
Jan 2020

Either way, I hope something happens to him, but if the cops have decided it was"an accident" then he's off the hook. That poor little boy. It's heartbreaking and infuriating.

Kaleva

(36,291 posts)
28. I wouldn't care if these irresponsible gun owners just killed or maimed themselves.
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:12 AM
Jan 2020

Guy probably thought he got all the training he needed from watching certain YouTube videos.

Sad thing is that local authorities probably aren't going to press charges against the guy.


Edit: I normally carry myself while at home but not today as I'm babysitting so the gun is already locked away. If I thought the situation was so extreme that I needed the gun on me even while kids were here, I wouldn't have kids here because it's too dangerous for them and I'd be thinking of moving.

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
29. People Control, Not Gun Control
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:13 AM
Jan 2020

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

struggle4progress

(118,270 posts)
31. Police Identify Bloomington Man
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 05:13 AM
Jan 2020

By ASSOCIATED PRESS
Posted January 22, 2020

Monroe County Sheriff Brad Swain has identified the man injured in an accidental shooting over the weekend as 36-year-old Tyler Shaw of Bloomington. According to police, Shaw and his 4-year-old son were both injured when a gun Shaw had in his pocket discharged while they were wrestling ...

https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/indiana-boy,-dad,-shot-when-gun-discharges-while-wrestling.php

struggle4progress

(118,270 posts)
32. Glock 19 handgun discharged Sunday night
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 05:15 AM
Jan 2020

January 22, 2020
Jeremy Hogan

The Monroe County Sheriff’s Office has released the make and model of the handgun that discharged Sunday night hitting a 36-year-old man, Tyler Shaw, and his 4 year old son in the head. The gun that discharged is a Glock 19 handgun, according to the MCSO ...

https://bloomingtonian.com/2020/01/22/update-glock-19-handgun-discharged-sunday-night/

Kaleva

(36,291 posts)
34. Don't understand why he thought it was okay to play wrestle while carrying.
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 08:09 AM
Jan 2020

I also don't understand why he felt the need to have a round in the chamber.

This irresponsible gun owner proved to be a great threat to his own family and the family most likely would have been safer had he not had a gun.

ProfessorGAC

(64,968 posts)
35. Not A Gun Guy
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 08:34 AM
Jan 2020

But, for a gun to accidentally discharge, wouldn't the safety have to be off?
This was a Glock. That's a pretty pricey, well-engineered item, right? It would accidentally go off with the safety engaged?
So, he's wrestling with a gun on his person, with a round chambered, and the safety off?
Needs his FOIA card revoked.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
36. No a Glock would NOT go off as described. It has a trigger safety and a "hammer"(pin)
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 08:46 AM
Jan 2020

block that will not let the firing pin hit a round without the trigger being pulled.

There is no real safety lock as you might be thinking.

On edit:
"There are actually two safety mechanisms preventing the striker from reaching the primer. In addition to this, the striker in a Glock is not all the way cocked. The pull of the trigger cocks it fully.

Even if both the safety mechanisms fail, which is highly unlikely, and striker releases from it’s resting position, it would not have the ability to set off the primer.

Glocks do not fire accidentally. Every Glock accident is from human error."

MerryBlooms

(11,761 posts)
40. Yep, so who pulled the trigger all the way to fully retract the striker?
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 11:45 AM
Jan 2020

I used to occasionally go shooting with my brothers and they would always give me a safety review, and a lesson on the guns we were shooting that day. I remember the Glock was classified as a double action pistol.

I think there is more to this story going to come out as the investigation continues. Poor child suffered critical injuries and is fighting for his life.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
42. Weird - it just hit me as I read your response...Wouldn't
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 12:20 PM
Jan 2020

be surprised if he was letting the kid mess with the gun and the kid shot them both as he was looking over him.

ProfessorGAC

(64,968 posts)
46. Thanks
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 01:18 PM
Jan 2020

Actually, what you described is exactly what I was thinking, but didn't know enough, until now, to know for sure.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
37. Yep the story is BS - a GLock (almost definitely) won't go off without trigger being pulled.
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 08:52 AM
Jan 2020

" The testing protocol involved dropping the handguns at different angles with a primed case in the chamber (no bullet or propellant). None of the ten other handguns – which included four Glocks, two H&Ks, two S&Ws and a 1911...fired when dropped."

"There are actually two safety mechanisms preventing the striker from reaching the primer. In addition to this, the striker in a Glock is not all the way cocked. The pull of the trigger cocks it fully.

Even if both the safety mechanisms fail, which is highly unlikely, and striker releases from it’s resting position, it would not have the ability to set off the primer.

Glocks do not fire accidentally. Every Glock accident is from human error."

Response to Cattledog (Original post)

sl8

(13,719 posts)
41. Did the boy die?
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 11:53 AM
Jan 2020

Mist recent story I saw (10 am Wed. ) said that he was still in critical condition.

Aristus

(66,308 posts)
43. I don't imagine the father is too upset.
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 12:25 PM
Jan 2020

Isn't the gun-crazies' motto: "I don't care how many kids get killed as long as I get to keep my guns" - ?

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