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BLOOMINGTON A 36-year-old man and his 4-year-old son were both shot in the head on Sunday after a gun discharged while they were "play wrestling."
According to a report from the Monroe County Sheriff's Office, deputies were called to a home in the 1200 block of East Zinnia Drive, south of Bloomington, on Sunday on report of a gunshot wound. When deputies arrived, they found two people who had sustained gunshot wounds to the head.
Deputies said the man was "play wrestling" with his son while carrying a handgun concealed on the small of his back. During the play wrestling, the gun fell from the man's body and one shot was fired. The shot struck both the man and his 4-year-old in the head.
https://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/dad-4-year-old-son-shot-in-head-after-gun-fires-during-play-wrestling
PJMcK
(22,023 posts)Oh, never mind.
Bettie
(16,083 posts)there.
Of course, dear old dad won't be charged with anything and it will be written off as a 'tragic accident'.
3catwoman3
(23,965 posts)...used to describe these incidents of flat outright goddamned negligence and child endangerment.
Ive had a 43+ year career as a pediatric nurse practitioner. Parental stupidity make me crazy. If it were up to me, parenting would be a licensed profession and this dumbass dad wouldnt get one.
The ability to juxtapose genitalia is not a sufficient qualification for being a parent.
Mendocino
(7,484 posts)...what could go wrong?
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Hmmm...
melm00se
(4,989 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Hasn't this poor guy suffered enough? His son is in critical condition in the hospital. It's too soon to start pointing fingers and laying blame. Say, isn't there a new immigrant/refugee caravan on the way? Let's talk about that instead!
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Fucking moron.
sarisataka
(18,560 posts)The story as given may not be impossible but it is extremely improbable.
htuttle
(23,738 posts)one in a million
Vinca
(50,251 posts)Hope the kid somehow grows up smarter. Actually, I hope the kid manages to grow up without being killed by dad.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)Fullduplexxx
(7,851 posts)Response to Cattledog (Original post)
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Ohiogal
(31,956 posts)wrestles with his child while while wearing a loaded gun tucked inside his pants? IDIOT!
avebury
(10,952 posts)The father should face criminal charges. I refuse to cut the guy any slack because of his suffering for what he did to his son Actions should have consequences. Failure to press charges on these types of incidents is precisely why nothing ever changes.
Neema
(1,151 posts)What an idiot. I hope it haunts him for the rest of his life.
lostnfound
(16,169 posts)These incidents make me sick
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)The only country where you can shoot your kid in the head and people will feel sorry for you.
lostnfound
(16,169 posts)Showing the story of what happened, and mandate that such films are shown before gun purchase? Like they do for driver licenses and like the right wing mandates ultrasounds before abortions.
Putting him in jail and leaving the mom and kid alone to struggle through medical treatments and poverty together (after medical bills) doesnt help the kid though. Who knows where the medical insurance comes from.
Neema
(1,151 posts)what a fucking idiot he is.
obamanut2012
(26,064 posts)No way.
Impossible.
Luciferous
(6,078 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)Guns don't shoot themselves. Dad is fully responsible for negligently discharging his firearm. He should suffer severe legal repercussions, but people are rarely held to account when they are so irresponsible with their firearms.
Amazing the way the article reads as if the gun somehow acted autonomously.
lostnfound
(16,169 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,968 posts)Kennedy shot. Gun went off. Oh, mostly cuz some guy pulled the f'n trigger.
Of course the gun went off.
That is just lazy writing by the reporter and a lame press release by the cops.
ecstatic
(32,677 posts)I was told that a glock could be dropped from a building and still wouldn't go off unless the trigger was pulled. Of course, that's not true of glocks nor any other gun out there. It's just another lie put out there by the merchants of death.
catbyte
(34,360 posts)Either way, I hope something happens to him, but if the cops have decided it was"an accident" then he's off the hook. That poor little boy. It's heartbreaking and infuriating.
Kaleva
(36,291 posts)Guy probably thought he got all the training he needed from watching certain YouTube videos.
Sad thing is that local authorities probably aren't going to press charges against the guy.
Edit: I normally carry myself while at home but not today as I'm babysitting so the gun is already locked away. If I thought the situation was so extreme that I needed the gun on me even while kids were here, I wouldn't have kids here because it's too dangerous for them and I'd be thinking of moving.
Sancho
(9,067 posts)This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that werent secured are out of control in our society. As such, heres what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. Im not debating the legal language, I just think its the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because its clear that they should never have had a gun.
1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learners license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.
Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a drivers license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.
struggle4progress
(118,270 posts)By ASSOCIATED PRESS
Posted January 22, 2020
Monroe County Sheriff Brad Swain has identified the man injured in an accidental shooting over the weekend as 36-year-old Tyler Shaw of Bloomington. According to police, Shaw and his 4-year-old son were both injured when a gun Shaw had in his pocket discharged while they were wrestling ...
https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/indiana-boy,-dad,-shot-when-gun-discharges-while-wrestling.php
struggle4progress
(118,270 posts)January 22, 2020
Jeremy Hogan
The Monroe County Sheriffs Office has released the make and model of the handgun that discharged Sunday night hitting a 36-year-old man, Tyler Shaw, and his 4 year old son in the head. The gun that discharged is a Glock 19 handgun, according to the MCSO ...
https://bloomingtonian.com/2020/01/22/update-glock-19-handgun-discharged-sunday-night/
Kaleva
(36,291 posts)I also don't understand why he felt the need to have a round in the chamber.
This irresponsible gun owner proved to be a great threat to his own family and the family most likely would have been safer had he not had a gun.
ProfessorGAC
(64,968 posts)But, for a gun to accidentally discharge, wouldn't the safety have to be off?
This was a Glock. That's a pretty pricey, well-engineered item, right? It would accidentally go off with the safety engaged?
So, he's wrestling with a gun on his person, with a round chambered, and the safety off?
Needs his FOIA card revoked.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)block that will not let the firing pin hit a round without the trigger being pulled.
There is no real safety lock as you might be thinking.
On edit:
"There are actually two safety mechanisms preventing the striker from reaching the primer. In addition to this, the striker in a Glock is not all the way cocked. The pull of the trigger cocks it fully.
Even if both the safety mechanisms fail, which is highly unlikely, and striker releases from its resting position, it would not have the ability to set off the primer.
Glocks do not fire accidentally. Every Glock accident is from human error."
MerryBlooms
(11,761 posts)I used to occasionally go shooting with my brothers and they would always give me a safety review, and a lesson on the guns we were shooting that day. I remember the Glock was classified as a double action pistol.
I think there is more to this story going to come out as the investigation continues. Poor child suffered critical injuries and is fighting for his life.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)be surprised if he was letting the kid mess with the gun and the kid shot them both as he was looking over him.
MerryBlooms
(11,761 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,968 posts)Actually, what you described is exactly what I was thinking, but didn't know enough, until now, to know for sure.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)" The testing protocol involved dropping the handguns at different angles with a primed case in the chamber (no bullet or propellant). None of the ten other handguns which included four Glocks, two H&Ks, two S&Ws and a 1911...fired when dropped."
"There are actually two safety mechanisms preventing the striker from reaching the primer. In addition to this, the striker in a Glock is not all the way cocked. The pull of the trigger cocks it fully.
Even if both the safety mechanisms fail, which is highly unlikely, and striker releases from its resting position, it would not have the ability to set off the primer.
Glocks do not fire accidentally. Every Glock accident is from human error."
struggle4progress
(118,270 posts)POSTED 9:07 AM, JANUARY 24, 2020, BY CNNWIRE
https://fox8.com/2020/01/24/fathers-concealed-weapon-went-off-when-he-was-play-wrestling-with-toddler-both-shot-in-head/
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)Response to Cattledog (Original post)
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sl8
(13,719 posts)Mist recent story I saw (10 am Wed. ) said that he was still in critical condition.
Aristus
(66,308 posts)Isn't the gun-crazies' motto: "I don't care how many kids get killed as long as I get to keep my guns" - ?