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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDayum. Nancy Pelosi made her choice.
She chose wisely, grasshopper.
Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler
Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff
Democratic Caucus Chairman Hakeem Jeffries
California Rep. Zoe Lofgren
Florida Rep. Val Demings
Texas Rep. Sylvia Garcia
Colorado Rep. Jason Crow
Lofgren and Demings are killing it with video evidence. They are presenting evidence. I love these two brave strong women.
They are all fantastic. Pelosi is playing 3D Chess while the GOP throw spitballs.
Shame on those that doubted our Speaker. This is a well planned coordinated attack with the facts.
I love my Democratic Party. You all have my utmost respect.
blm
(113,052 posts)We are rocking it.
Ooh, here we go...the liars, I mean lawyers are up again.
Liberal Jesus Freak
(1,451 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)It won't make a difference in the outcome, but it will be quite useful during the 2020 campaign and in the years to come to point to how the two parties treated such a solemn event. Who took their duties seriously? Who clowned while pissing on the Constitution? Who laid out a cogent argument? Who barked and whined, dissembled and deflected? Who engaged these very serious issues? Who smeared shit on the walls?
calimary
(81,238 posts)Who were the adults in the room? Who were cool, calm, 'n' collected, with "just the facts, ma'am"?
And who were the ones who lived up to that old courtroom cliche -
"If you don't have the facts, you argue the law.
If you don't have the law, argue the facts.
And if you don't have either the law OR the facts, then POUND THE TABLE (right, Jay Sekulow?)!!!"
Different Drummer
(7,614 posts)sheshe2
(83,751 posts)MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)Say it loud.
Say it proud.
IMPRESSIVE House Managers.
IMPRESSIVE strategies.
Our audience is the American Public.
P*ss on repuke senators and their lawyers.
They've been bypassed and out-smarted .... by miles.
Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)MLAA
(17,288 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,648 posts)though my cynical side is calling me to reality. Repubs just don't care.
MyOwnPeace
(16,926 posts)your cynicism is correct - but history will show the truth in years to come.
So, we kick ass on TV now, show them for the fools that they are, then come November, we MUST......
GET OUT THE VOTE!!!!!!
2naSalit
(86,584 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Reasoned, calm, professional, ethical, and basically everything that Trump and his enablers are not.
I am happy to recommend this.
ffr
(22,669 posts)and look good while doing it.
Love what they are showing to the senate.
itcfish
(1,828 posts)Mitch McConnell or Gym Jordan Wear high heels all day and give their arguments
calimary
(81,238 posts)She absolutely and totally rocks!
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,342 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)I would not want her as an adversary.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)I say, shame on those who try to squelch free speech and free thinking by disparaging others with remarks like that.
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)sheshe2
(83,751 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)sheshe2
(83,751 posts)AOC came into congress day one and did what she could to shame Pelosi. It did not work out very well.
Crow voted against Pelosi as speaker, she made him an Impeachment Manager. He is now in front of the cameras speaking out, she is one hell of a woman. She knows her job, her people and does it well.
Do the rewrite.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)The end.
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)He gained a leadership position from the Speaker you dislike.
George II
(67,782 posts)....was sworn in.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)is being chastised for disagreeing with who our party leadership is, ad infinitum? Why can't people have differing opinions?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Being divisive is something else.
Something that you yourself object to, after all.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)This sounds like a shoe fitting a little too well.
May I recommend that you take a deep breath, and think before posting.
Getting very angry then posting doesn't turn out well, does it?
Think about that.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)they are said to be angry or upset, or not thinking right.
Whenever I see any Dem criticize any other Dem (overtly or in a veiled way) for thinking for themselves about any of their party's decisions and not following group think to a T, I will speak up. It is totally antithetical to what our party stands for.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And it didn't work out well for you.
Are you speaking up here as well?
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287419482
Skittles
(153,160 posts)they act like only Nancy could do this job - nonsense
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)Who do you have in mind that could do better in this time and place, Skittles?
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)President and Senate, administratively that is. But we are in an extraordinary time in history that we have a critical threat in the WH. Wish, (although 100% not traditional and not typically appropriate) our past presidents would have stepped in ad hoc and led us. From an overall policy and strategic perspective that is. But too late now, we will have a policy leader soon, when our candidate is selected
Skittles
(153,160 posts)that helped to lead to all of THIS
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)You blame Hill for all this?
Wow.
Cha
(297,196 posts)the job that Nancy is Doing, SKittles?
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)I await the answer.
to Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House Extraordinaire!
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Lord knows.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Even if argued to its most Orwellian-absurd, answering free speech with additional free speech is simply not 'squelching' anyone's ability or resource to speak.
TheRealNorth
(9,478 posts)I realize managing perceptions is a thing, but the sad fact is Republicans have been much better managing those perceptions then Democrats. In fact, I would argue that Pelosi appeared to be forced to go to the impeachment trial because there was heat put on her from the media.
Trump is already crowing to the media that he is now okay with Pompeo and Rick Perry testifying making it look like he is now okay with witnesses, knowing the Senate Republicans won't allow it.
The media report I heard this on (radio, not Fox news) did not call him a liar or even hint that Trump changed his stance now that Moscow Mitch is protecting him.
Like I said last week, I was worried that the reports about a few Senators defecting from Moscow Mitch on the issue of witnesses was only McConnell teeing up the football so that he could pull it away at the last second.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)will lie for him?. It's all like a movie or book that you know the end to because it's based on a true story - but somehow you lapse into thinking the ending will be different.
TheRealNorth
(9,478 posts)So you know he is bought and paid for.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)got to pull the execution chamber switch
I think trump is probably working those who haven't testified really hard. As they drop, it means he "got em".
Trump doesn't drag his feet when he's got time to scheme. While Mueller working, he got rid of Sessions and put his guy in as AG. He fired Comey who had his number He got his boy Kavenaugh in as his future blocker. He replaced all the half decent staff and advisors. He reversed countless worthwhile regulations that no one even knows about (ok now to dump cancer causing sludge into our water).
nolabear
(41,960 posts)They are carefully, skillfully eviscerating him.
ArcticFox
(1,249 posts)More like Dynamite.
I have to say it, but 3D chess moves aren't going to mean much after the GOP blows up the board.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)it will all be in the history books now
ArcticFox
(1,249 posts)I do hope you're right, though
Skittles
(153,160 posts)I'm guessing she probably wishes she did.
ArcticFox
(1,249 posts)I even wrote to Pelosi and other Representatives urging them to do it. I wish they would have taken more time to collect evidence, and brought more articles. But I understand there's argument against that too.
I know this path is better than not impeaching. And I'm glad it's happened. I would have no faith in anyone in government if it hadn't.
I just don't think it will accomplish a sea change. And I have that thought only because I seriously suspect the patriotism of all 53 Republican Senators.
And if Trump wins again, which he will cheat to ensure, God help us all.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)drag it out too long and it will interfere with the presidential election
Trump never wins, he "wins" - he CHEATS and any American who can think KNOWS this.
ArcticFox
(1,249 posts)TheRealNorth
(9,478 posts)The media will play clips of Trump claiming victory with chirons running at the bottom of the screen that Trump found innocent.
The only thing we could realistically get from impeachment is the chance to drag him through the mud by forcing witnesses to either to lie for Trump (under oath) or flip, and the Republicans are doing their best to protect him from that.
vapor2
(1,246 posts)Jason crow is wonderful and articulate
marlakay
(11,457 posts)I also believe the blind monkeys will walk right off the cliff and let him off.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,585 posts)Showing videos, reading from the transcripts -- historians and political scientists will have an infinite amount of official material to work from.
And the reaction will be the same: "WTF?"
Of course, the Republicans could just jail librarians who shelve books uncomplimentary to Herr Orange One.
mcar
(42,307 posts)And Schiff is amazing!
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)are very fortunate to have such wonderful representation.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)But I think she's proven a lot of people like me wrong on impeachment strategy. Even though we all know he won't be removed, her and Schiff have done a fantastic job shining a light on Trump's crimes, and how big of a sham trial McConnell is running. I don't know if it will actually move the needle, but it's what had to be done.
Nitram
(22,794 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)No matter how this turns out.
At least this whole damn thing will be on tape and on the record. It will never be lost on historians that the Democrats did a great job, and that the Republicans showed how deeply corrupt they are.
samnsara
(17,622 posts)...so I peek at DU between by fingers like I did when I watched The Exorcist
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Too upsetting. Too enraging. I catch up on DU with whats going on!
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)However...
I have watched when I could today. I could not be more proud of our Democratic Party, Our Democratic Congress. They are fearless. It is a thing of beauty.
Rhiannon12866
(205,319 posts)I wasn't familiar with all of them, so I looked up the names after seeing them pictured on another thread. These are names that we need to know and remember - they'll go down in history as heroes of our time.
DU House Managers Appreciation Thread
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212895475
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12895827
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)I loved them all.
Rhiannon12866
(205,319 posts)I thought it was important that I knew their names, so I looked all of them up! And it won't be long before everyone knows them - they're really earning their place in history...
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)They all were amazing as the GOP fumbled the ball. So much finger shaking and saying Dems were big meanies as they showed us all what big/small wieners they really are.
I call Bologna.
Rhiannon12866
(205,319 posts)They had nothing to say and it was excruciating to listen to. It had to be embarrassing to have absolutely nothing to say on national TV - Stephen Colbert made fun of one of them who just kept repeating the same thing because he had nothing else. None of them do!
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)Bwaha...I first spelled it as Coolbert by mistake I should have just left it. The man is cool in my book~
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Picking people very wisely has set a trap for trump and the GOP. There'a a lot more that she knows will be coming out to expose them and destroy them with, especially on trump and his crime family. GOP members of Congress should be very scared they will be exposed , and they will be facing consequences for their crimes. A lot more will be exposing their involvement , and if they were bribed into protecting trump for re-election help from foreign countries.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)Kidding.
But seriously, thank God that never happened.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)It seems that a mountain of evidence won't sway the ReTrumplicans, which may make public opinion the only result that will matter.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)bdamomma
(63,846 posts)Elijah Cummings during this trial, he would have been one of the managers. He would be on fire. Miss him.
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)I miss him too, bdamomma.
He is watching. He is standing behind them all. He has their back.
bdamomma
(63,846 posts)I don't want you feel bad
He is watching.