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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDahlia Lithwick: Senate GOP: It's Too Late for Impeachment Witnesses and It's Also Too Early
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/01/senate-gop-votes-down-impeachment-witnesses-too-late-susan-collins.htmlSenate GOP: Its Too Late for Impeachment Witnesses and Its Also Too Early
By Dahlia Lithwick
Jan 21, 2020
6:55 PM
Every time we witness a gun tragedy in this country, Republicans who live in thrall to the death cult that is the National Riffle Association make the same argument: Its too soon. Its too soon to politicize whatever the existing tragedy might be, and we must all wait until the appropriate time and politicize it then. Two weeks later it is always, always too late. Ten minutes later, it would also be too late. This is the longstanding procedural deflection for remediation of any exigent political problem: Berate your opponent for intemperate and unseemly haste, then run the heck out of the clock. There are, evidently, always only twelve seconds in which the time for action is ripe.
Throughout this first day of the historic Senate impeachment trial for Donald Trump on Tuesday, this was the standard play for Donald Trumps legal team. Scoff at Democrats for being hasty, reckless and intemperate as they moved impeachment through the House, then insist they were now simply too late to do anything. The Republicans, as has been noted, will have to rely exclusively on such purely procedural contortions throughout the Senate trial in order to obstruct testimony and evidence that was already ably obstructed by the White House throughout the House inquiry. But there is a laughable argument being advanced in these opening hours that should now be, well, laughed at. In tabling Chuck Schumers various motions to call witnesses and subpoena documents and records, Trumps defenders are somehow claiming both that its too late to obtain such evidence, and also, of course, that its far too early.
Time and time again Tuesday afternoon, we heard Trumps lawyers disparage House Democrats for fast-tracking this impeachment process: The Democrats recklessly refused to allow their subpoenas to linger for years in the federal courts; they insulted poor Charles Kupperman, a deputy to National Security Advisor John Bolton, by refusing to wait for him to litigate his subpoena in the courts; when the president declined to participate in any aspect of the House Inquiry, they rudely didnt include him. And so it went: Stupid, stupid Democrats were so hellbent upon impeachment that they didnt follow all the rules and processes that would have made this impeachment impossible. And then, faced with the opportunity to amend Mitch McConnells rules that are designed to short circuit any meaningful trial, those selfsame Republicans claimed on Tuesday that its far too soon to decide anything of the sort. Whats the rush? They inquire, wide-eyed and ingenuous, why do we need to decide on these witnesses now, when we have all the time in the world? As Sen. Susan Collins said in explaining her own votes to tables Schumers amendments, she need[s] to hear the case argued and the questions answered before she could make any meaningful determination about witnesses.
Which is it then, too early or too late? Did Democrats fast track the House impeachment and then demand that the Senate do their clean-up work for them? Or were they simply too slow and poky, and now they have to wait some more? Reader, it will surprise you to learn that its both! And if it sounds familiar its because its always the case that Democrats are too early and too late for all the things, and that they should just get out of the way and stop trying. There were twelve vital seconds in which to properly call for witnesses and evidence and the Democrats missed them again!
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Based on the first day alone, its clear that there will be a whole lot of process directed at obstructing the Senate trial. There will be overt lying, as was the case with White House Counsel Pat Cipollones claim that not even Schiffs Republican colleagues were allowed into the SCIF, the secured facility where House committees conducted initial impeachment depositions and Republicans had equal time to ask questions as Democrats. There will be gaslighting, as was the case when Cipollone claimed that Schiff released a fraudulent version of the phone call between Zelensky and Trump, when he had actually paraphrased that call, after its substance had been released. Most of all, there will be attacks on Senate Democrats, in lieu of defenses of the president, who has no defense on the merits. We will hear that all testimony is hearsay, unless the president himself says it. The president, of course, has refused to testify, unlike President Bill Clinton during the last impeachment. But do pay attention: because when you hear Republicans claim that Democrats are both too early and also too late to participate in a process, its a good sign that there is no process at all.
The problem for Senate Republicans colluding to obstruct the same facts and witnesses that have been obstructed by the White House? Many of those facts are out. More will come out. This isnt going to stay in the can forever. Schiff closed a portion of his remarks this afternoon with this precise caution: The facts will come out in the end. The documents, which the president is hiding, will be released through the [Freedom of Information Act] or through other means over time. Witnesses will tell their stories in book and film. The truth will come out. The question is, will it come out in time?
Its already too late for the Senate to obstruct that truth. Its simply too early for historys judgement.
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Dahlia Lithwick: Senate GOP: It's Too Late for Impeachment Witnesses and It's Also Too Early (Original Post)
babylonsister
Jan 2020
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Yeah, it's like the pentagon papers. The truth came out. Lots of people died and
mucifer
Jan 2020
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mucifer
(23,539 posts)1. Yeah, it's like the pentagon papers. The truth came out. Lots of people died and
not much more than that happened.