****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL THREAD 8****

[BumRushDaShow]

Thread 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212892639
Thread 2 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212892926
Thread 3 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212893290
Thread 4 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212893638
Thread 5 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212894298
Thread 6 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212894914
Thread 7 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212895415

[BumRushDaShow]

1. Nadler is up as a rebuttal for the bullshit that Cippycup/Suckylow just spewed

Re: Schumer Amendment to subpoena Boton to testify.

[madaboutharry]

2. Nadler back....

Calling these clowns out on their bullshit and calling them liars.

[BumRushDaShow]

3. Nadler done and Schiff is back to continue to cleanup the bullshit

[Mersky]

4. I didn't record his exact phrase, but I liked it when

He said the pResident’s lawyer(s) have “no standing” to call other people liars.

Am gonna have to review the transcript on that one. It was heartening.

[ancianita]

5. I think he's at his best when he's indignant.

[BumRushDaShow]

6. DAMN!!! Schiff went there about their bullshit comparing Obama to Drumpf

[ancianita]

7. Adam's nailing the 2020 election threat hard. And smashes the "Just like ObamaObamaObama"!

Schiff's indignation is appropriate and elegantly articulated.

"I guess that's how you drain the swamp -- by having all your people go to jail -- that's exporting the swamp."

[BumRushDaShow]

8. Schiff: "That IS the swamp"

[ancianita]

9. Roberts: Now boyz! You're BOTH being bad!

Can't take the ugliness of Republican mess and mire.

[Tumbulu]

16. Who was he really addressing?

I don’t really get it.

[elleng]

21. Not sure, would like to read transcript to check.

[ancianita]

28. He leaned into the podium and directly addressed both House Managers and WH Defense.

He said that they must remember the historical decorum called for by the chamber they are in.

Is that clearer?

Nadler had had it, and finally told them off about their being judged right along with this president.

I was pissed that he admonished both equally when Republicans have dumped more dirt in that chamber than ANY one. So I mocked him.

I can't stand John Roberts, I've made that well known in the past. If it weren't for him and Bush, this country wouldn't even be in this cesspool of corruption.

[Tumbulu]

39. I know what he said, I just did not think that any of the Democrats

were being rude. I only hear it from the Trump team.

Yes, I’m with you on Roberts.

[ancianita]

44. Of course they weren't. Which is why his finger wagging at both sides was bad form.

[BumRushDaShow]

10. Roberts has awoken to wag his finger at "both sides" regarding how they address the Senate

( )

[ancianita]

12. Brian Williams mentions the first "off-book" remark by Roberts, 12 hours after all the lies and

fever pitched bullshitting.

[BumRushDaShow]

11. Turtle motion to table the amendment. Roll call vote.

[ancianita]

17. FINAL TABLE coming up. Big ups to you for your committed work tonight, BumRushDaShow!

Twelve straight hours. and eight threads.

I nominate you for the DU World Cup of Hosting.

[napi21]

13. I'm really proud of Adam Schiff!! He is doing a GREAT JOB slapping down the lies of

DTs lawyers. I don't agree with the reprimand from Roberts either. I didn't hear any inappropriate language from either Nadler or Schiff.

[ancianita]

41. Nope. They said nothing even approaching what the haughty fake lawyers dished at them all night.

[ecstatic]

14. I hope Roberts wasn't referring to Nadler

The GOP has done absolutely nothing to deserve respect!

"Remember who you're addressing?"

Yeah, that's the problem. Nadler remembers.

Over 50% of that body is traitorous, trump-ass kissing trash!

[madaboutharry]

15. He said "both sides equally."

[ecstatic]

19. Which is complete and utter bullshit!

F*ck Roberts!

[SamKnause]

24. He was.

Then he admonished both sides.

He certainly wasn't referring to all the lies told by the republicans.

They think they deserve respect.

Very few in that room have earned it.

[Mersky]

18. Whoa. Did that just happen?

Roberts comes in for an admonishment for each side. Huh. What was that term, pediflogging? No, it was pettifogging.

[ancianita]

31. Know how 45 does his presidenting? Roberts throws in some justicing.

[Mersky]

58. I was typing up this big summary of Schiff's takes

Then had to back out of that to see roberts speaking more than just reading a little script for procedural bits. Just stunned me. I’m not sure what I think of it.

I know we wouldn’t be in half of the world of shit we’re in without roberts’ court. And I am rather pissed he was moved to chime in this late, and not earlier for the litany of smears and lies coming from the right.

[ancianita]

68. Me, too. But his job, constitutionally, is not to interfere in the process unless formally asked.

[Mersky]

92. Alright, I'll review such.

I didn’t think he’d come in and interfere, say, by calling for dismissal like giuliani was claiming on fox a couple weeks ago - I thought that was absurd. Decorum paddling, though? That just threw me about his role.

I must comment that the Van Hollen amendment at the end forcing the republicans to vote against affirming that the presiding officer, CJ, can make final vote on the question of calling witnesses is breathtaking next to Roberts’ interjection.

[ancianita]

97. It's the Republican way. Swallow a whale, choke on a gnat.

[Mersky]

103. Ha. That's awesome.

They do choke on a gnat, and they’re swallowing their own elephant butt these days.

[mucifer]

33. So roberts is pretty much useless?

[ancianita]

37. By design. This corrupt horror highlights what could be another flaw of the Constitution.

He's not constitutionally to impose judicial rules in any congressional chamber. So that's what presiding is. Just judicial witness of a legislative body's trial.

[BumRushDaShow]

20. Tally - 53 yays 47 nays. And TABLED.

[BumRushDaShow]

22. Schumer - Amendment to vote on document to subpoena witnesses after the questions

Initially was going to waive the reading and Schumer tried to withdraw but then no second and there was an objection to waive the reading so they are reading the Amendment text.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

23. trump team looked frustrated, beat down during reprimand

I don't think they've experienced a filibuster before.

(ETA: twice my 'l' has doubled on me)

[BumRushDaShow]

27. I think someone passed along a message for them

to fire it up some. They are afraid to do a full-on GYMSUIT Jordan circus act... at least so far.

[BumRushDaShow]

25. Schiff - arguing to make changes to Turtle's Rules

I.e., does not guarantee the ability to maybe possibility to vote and debate on witnesses...

Amendment will strip out the layers that would preclude having a debate to hold a vote on a resolution for certain witnesses.

[Tumbulu]

26. How are they going on so long? I am ready to go to sleep

and I’m only in my 60’s! How are these guys doing this? And the Democratic Prosecutors are just really impressive!

[BumRushDaShow]

32. Turtle is getting a taste of what he created... trying to jam this stuff through

Roberts is due in court in the morning to hear SCOTUS cases.

[Tumbulu]

42. Is this going to go on tomorrow too?

How can he be in both places?

[ancianita]

51. Ask Moscow Mitch. He planned this hot mess with his punitive "rules." He's the despicable cause

who should be the target of all their ire.

Democrats are clear, classy, polite, cool and collected.

[BumRushDaShow]

29. Schiff guaranteeing that there will be no "salicious" material from any witnesses

[BumRushDaShow]

30. Cippycup has handded off to Purpura to bullshit

[BumRushDaShow]

34. Schiff back (57 minutes that they have) - but said he won't use it.

He's basically laying out the bait and switch that they are most likely planning.

[SamKnause]

35. Who is this new douche ???

I wouldn't want any of those evil vile clowns defending me.

[BumRushDaShow]

40. Mike Purpura - a Deputy Counsel to WH

[SamKnause]

48. Thanks.

He is a real winner.

[SamKnause]

36. Good, he didn't talk long.

Back to Adam.

[BumRushDaShow]

38. Schiff done. Turtle motion to table. Now doing a roll call on Schumer's latest Amendment

[malaise]

45. This is the greatest cover-up in US history

I am pissed.

[BumRushDaShow]

75. Live and televised.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

43. Mr. Chief Justice, I'd like to read into the record all lies told by TrumPutin.

[NiteOwl1]

47. +1

[BumRushDaShow]

46. And once more the tally - 53 yays 47 nays. And TABLED again.

[BumRushDaShow]

49. Schumer - to provide adquate time to submit additional materials

[BumRushDaShow]

50. Schiff is up - only 2 hours for parties to respond to a written motion

[nolabear]

53. Unbelievable.

[BumRushDaShow]

55. And Suckylow was an ass saying "well then 'tomorrow is a day off'"?

And Schiff reminded him that "tomorrow" was already here.

[nolabear]

57. I swear there's not an actual human being among them.

[ancianita]

64. ...

Yeah, Jay. Try to keep up.

[BumRushDaShow]

52. Suckylow and his bullshit to reject allowing more time to respond with a reply.

[BumRushDaShow]

54. Turtle motion to table even THAT. Roll Call.

[Blaukraut]

56. At this point they'll vote to table a resolution that the sky is blue. n/t

[BumRushDaShow]

59. Tally - 52 yays 48 nays. TABLED.

DIFFERENT!

[nilram]

67. hm, who flipped?

[Staph]

71. According to CNN

Susan Collins was the one that flipped.

Color me shocked!

[Kali]

77. I thought it might be her

there was a hesitation after her name was called.

[nilram]

85. Definitely shocking. Throwing a half a grain of rice to the other side.

[nolabear]

60. Somebody jumped ship on that last vote.

Interesting.

[BumRushDaShow]

61. Last amendment - Schumer for Van Hollen

to allow that the Chief Justice be given the authority to determine whether a witness is in order.

[napi21]

62. #10.......LAST AMENDMENT OF THE EVENING! yeah!! N/T

[napi21]

70. sCHIFF HAS A TERRIFIC AMENDMENT! Let the Chief Justice rule on relevance of the whitnesses.

Pubs object...of course. But even if the Sens disagree with the ruling they can overrule him. But WHO wants to overrule the Chief Justice? Good Job Adam!

[napi21]

76. GOD! I think they are FINALLY going to adjourn for the morning! nt

[BumRushDaShow]

63. Schiff is up to argue to give that power to the "presiding officer" (Chief Justice)

to review the witness requests.

[nolabear]

65. Adam Schiff is getting hoarse. I wish I could be there to cheer.

Well done, Man. Well done, all of you.

[BumRushDaShow]

66. Schiff done. Suckylow. Couple sentences blah blah and done.

[ancianita]

73. Schiff can think circles around Sekulow. And Justice John Roberts knows it.

[BumRushDaShow]

78. Yup.

I'm sure he's seen how far the country has fallen. And he became a part of it. He has an opportunity to redeem himself.

[BumRushDaShow]

69. Schiff - just caught the GOP on how the Senate is not an "appellate court"

but they are a "trial".

And arguing that why they would be opposed is because they don't want Roberts to refuse to have Hunter Biden testify.

[BumRushDaShow]

72. Schiff: "This isn't fantasy football"

"to trade someone who is 'irrelevant' for someone who is".

YES!!!

[BumRushDaShow]

74. Turtle motion to table that amendment. Roll call vote.

[BumRushDaShow]

79. FINAL tally for the night - 53 yays 47 nays. TABLED.

[BumRushDaShow]

80. Turtle up - thanking Roberts for his patience.

Next vote on adoption of resolution.

[BumRushDaShow]

81. Now voting on the resolution. Roll Call.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

82. after this, we're stuck with Midnight Mitch's rules

[SamKnause]

83. Are Bernie and Elizabeth sitting next to each other ???

Bernie stands every time he votes.

The camera moves before the lady next to him votes.

I can't see her face.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

86. no. Warren is a row back and to the right (view from Roberts seat)

[SamKnause]

93. Thank you.

Do you know who was sitting next to Bernie.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

94. Welcome. I didn't recognize the Senator beside Bernie.

[BumRushDaShow]

84. They must be missing someone to finish the vote.

ETA - they are apparently handing out copies of the Resolution that they were voting on. Sneaky since Turtle kept making changes.

[Kali]

91. Heinrich

D New Mexico - no

wonder why he was MIA?

[BumRushDaShow]

95. Yup - heard them call his name.

Could be that sometimes "when ya gotta go, you gotta REALLY REALLY go!"

[BumRushDaShow]

87. FINAL VOTE tally for the Resolution - 53 yays 47 nays. ADOPTED

(thanks for correction)

[Hermit-The-Prog]

90. I think you mean RAILROADED.

Edited for fun.

[BumRushDaShow]

98. Thank you and I fixed it

(have been MIRTing and got bombarded with some spammers that needed to be dispatched )

[Hermit-The-Prog]

99. thanks for dispatching!

Gonna edit mine now.

[BumRushDaShow]

101. I provided an illustration for your edit

[BumRushDaShow]

88. Turtle Unanimous Consent to adjourn until 1 pm ET Wednesday.

[BumRushDaShow]

89. ***ADJOURNED FOR THE DAY UNTIL 1:00PM ET WEDNESDAY JAN. 22,2020***

[BumRushDaShow]

96. Thank you everyone for contributing during a LONG day

About 13 hours.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

100. whew! And Mitch wanted to do this every day of the trial.

[BumRushDaShow]

102. He still may try to do it.

[calimary]

104. I noticed that courtroom cliche play out in real life this evening.

As the night wore on, Jay Sekulow embodied it.

"When you don't have the facts, argue the law.
When you don't have the law, argue the facts.
When you don't have either the law OR the facts, POUND THE TABLE!"

And so help me, that's what Jay Sekulow DID, tonight! You could almost see the steam rising out of his widdle ears! OH the drama! OH the indignation! OH the histrionics! OH boy!

And former Florida GOP Rep. David Jolly, an MSNBC staple, came right out and said Cipollone LIED. "He LIED." Which is accurate. Claiming the CONS were shut out of the high-security room down in the basement - when THREE committees were called in, to review classified documents, INCLUDING about 100 GOP members of those three committees. That was a flat-out LIE! Isn't there some penalty for lying during these things, especially when you're supposedly a credible legal expert?

And now, I also notice, since the proceedings have just adjourned, folks heading out are walking briskly down the down-escalator, not just standing and riding down.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

105. Thank you for assembling these threads, BumRushDaShow.

KY..........

[FailureToCommunicate]

106. Thank you for keeping up with this on our behalf !