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BKDem

(1,733 posts)
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 02:12 PM Jan 2020

OMG. Hamilton nailed Trump in 1792.

Just quoted by Adam Schiff.

"When a man unprincipled in private life desperate in his fortune, bold in his temper, possessed of considerable talents, having the advantage of military habits—despotic in his ordinary demeanour—known to have scoffed in private at the principles of liberty—when such a man is seen to mount the hobby horse of popularity—to join in the cry of danger to liberty—to take every opportunity of embarrassing the General Government & bringing it under suspicion—to flatter and fall in with all the non sense of the zealots of the day—It may justly be suspected that his object is to throw things into confusion that he may “ride the storm and direct the whirlwind.”

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OMG. Hamilton nailed Trump in 1792. (Original Post) BKDem Jan 2020 OP
I love Adam Schiff more, each and every day.❤ dewsgirl Jan 2020 #1
He has been incredible PatSeg Jan 2020 #8
Perfect analogy, he really does. dewsgirl Jan 2020 #12
I remember years ago PatSeg Jan 2020 #16
In this day and age, that's a miracle. dewsgirl Jan 2020 #22
I know PatSeg Jan 2020 #23
Adam Schiff or President. broiles Jan 2020 #28
I would actually prefer him to be deputy AttyGen under Hillary Clinton at this point lol. . Volaris Jan 2020 #32
That sounds perfect! PatSeg Jan 2020 #34
:) Volaris has spoken. Let it be so. Hortensis Jan 2020 #38
You are a cruel, vindictive creature. malthaussen Jan 2020 #40
Righteous Justice would be, Hillary gets to be President. Short of that, vindictive must suffice. Volaris Jan 2020 #45
i beg to differ... pangaia Jan 2020 #33
Yes and Adam Schiff is real life! PatSeg Jan 2020 #35
Sure did! FM123 Jan 2020 #2
Wow, that quote wendyb-NC Jan 2020 #3
He must have been a time traveler. BKDem Jan 2020 #4
I believe he was. wendyb-NC Jan 2020 #6
They certainly were enlightened thinkers. Pepsidog Jan 2020 #21
Every day I'm proud to be a Democrat. nolabear Jan 2020 #5
From a few weeks ago: Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #7
Ha! You knew that quote would be over his reading comprehension Duppers Jan 2020 #24
Lol, yup. Clueless, but dissing the quote because Hortensis Jan 2020 #39
OMG, Adam and I are twins! Lefta Dissenter Jan 2020 #9
I was hearing it for the first time from Schiff. BKDem Jan 2020 #10
They had malignant narcissist back then too....usually they were called "nobles". Thomas Hurt Jan 2020 #11
Hamilton was also quoted by Thom Hartman D_Master81 Jan 2020 #13
And I love his staff, who give him so much good material Shanti Mama Jan 2020 #14
This fits tRump like a glove yonder Jan 2020 #15
He has some malevolent talents... BKDem Jan 2020 #17
But he's got "despotic in his ordinary demeanor" down pat! BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2020 #19
And then there's the paragraph before that, to wit: SpankMe Jan 2020 #18
Yikes! BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2020 #20
THIS ⬆⬆ should be quoted to every R. Duppers Jan 2020 #27
Agree. Doesn't only fit RW zealots and leaders, either. Hortensis Jan 2020 #30
Reminds me of a comment made by JFK at wnylib Jan 2020 #36
Love it. On point enough to stimulate thought, Hortensis Jan 2020 #37
The occasion of the JFK quote is also wnylib Jan 2020 #46
Yes. JFK's confidence in himself allowed him to associate with Hortensis Jan 2020 #47
I do not see anything in Trump's demeanor or wnylib Jan 2020 #48
this was Putin's path -- to make people long for the security of USSR Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #44
Indeed Hamilton was on point and it was geat lead-in slide for Schiff. nt iluvtennis Jan 2020 #25
... BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #26
Amazingly precient DeminPennswoods Jan 2020 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #31
Pure brilliance, finding that spot on description of Trump... NNadir Jan 2020 #41
There truly in nothing new under the sun... Wounded Bear Jan 2020 #42
If certain words were changed then it would be like someone wrote it yesterday uponit7771 Jan 2020 #43

PatSeg

(47,263 posts)
16. I remember years ago
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 02:43 PM
Jan 2020

wishing that real politicians sounded like that. Guess some wishes come true.

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
32. I would actually prefer him to be deputy AttyGen under Hillary Clinton at this point lol. .
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 03:55 PM
Jan 2020

Let it be HER name signed to the bottom of every single damned federal indictment these fuckers rightly deserve, and let this man be her point man/ attack dog/ 'Elliot Ness'.

I have spoken.

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
45. Righteous Justice would be, Hillary gets to be President. Short of that, vindictive must suffice.
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 02:20 PM
Jan 2020

Mal it would be a high honor (you've been here longer than I have lol!)...yeah, I'll sign it.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
33. i beg to differ...
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 04:49 PM
Jan 2020

some of the speeches in an aaron sorkin movie are lklike something out of an adam schiff speech...

wendyb-NC

(3,302 posts)
3. Wow, that quote
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 02:23 PM
Jan 2020

fits the current occupant of the oval office exactly. Hamilton, must have been prescient.

I love Adam Schiff too, he is such a hero for our democracy and the rule of law.

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
24. Ha! You knew that quote would be over his reading comprehension
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 03:14 PM
Jan 2020

Most all of them are dense and see and hear only what they want. Cult members are like that.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
39. Lol, yup. Clueless, but dissing the quote because
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:54 AM
Jan 2020

he was busy knee-jerking at the person showing it to him. We're all Nazis here. And commies. We do have that in common.

Lefta Dissenter

(6,622 posts)
9. OMG, Adam and I are twins!
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 02:31 PM
Jan 2020

I shared the exact same quote on FB right after seeing the play last month.

Somehow I think he likely did a better job of building on the quote than I did, however, so I won't try to take over his job.

D_Master81

(1,822 posts)
13. Hamilton was also quoted by Thom Hartman
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 02:42 PM
Jan 2020

Saw Thom quote Hamilton in a piece worry that impeachment might 1 day become more about the power of a party than if the President was wrong in his actions. The guy must’ve had a vision or maybe we haven’t changed as much as we’ve thought over the past 200 years.

Shanti Mama

(1,288 posts)
14. And I love his staff, who give him so much good material
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 02:43 PM
Jan 2020

They must be working crazy hard right now to keep pulling all this together. Lots of the credit should go to the behind the scenes folks.

SpankMe

(2,956 posts)
18. And then there's the paragraph before that, to wit:
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 02:56 PM
Jan 2020
The truth unquestionably is, that the only path to a subversion of the republican system of the Country is, by flattering the prejudices of the people, and exciting their jealousies and apprehensions, to throw affairs into confusion, and bring on civil commotion. Tired at length of anarchy, or want of government, they may take shelter in the arms of monarchy for repose and security.

From: https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Hamilton/01-12-02-0184-0002

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. Agree. Doesn't only fit RW zealots and leaders, either.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 03:53 PM
Jan 2020

Hamilton, strongly conservative himself, would also have been as deeply concerned about the possibility of leaders rising from the left to “ride the storm and direct the whirlwind.”

This subject always makes me think of Jefferson. He's often described as radical. In ideas for those days, absolutely, but not at all extremist in its other meaning, in personality. His brilliant mind flexed and ranged very widely, and the way he was able to work with people with many strong differences of opinion, and they with him, became a critical element of the representative democracy they created.

wnylib

(21,340 posts)
36. Reminds me of a comment made by JFK at
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:16 AM
Jan 2020

a White House dinner for some of the brightest people of the time.

"This is perhaps the assembly of the most intelligence ever to gather at one time in the White House, with the exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."

wnylib

(21,340 posts)
46. The occasion of the JFK quote is also
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 05:09 PM
Jan 2020

a tribute to JFK himself. A president who knew American history and government and valued both. Also, a president who, like our last one, was confident enough that he was not intimidated by people with some smarts. Not like our current WH disaster who does not have two neurons to rub together for creating a thought.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
47. Yes. JFK's confidence in himself allowed him to associate with
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 06:07 PM
Jan 2020

technically much smarter people easily and competently. Whatever happened to Trump, his development was somehow warped and stunted, including a believed pathological reaction to severe problems with self image.

Just occurs to me. A common pattern suggests a teenaged Trump would have modeled his appearance after someone he admired at that age (and that he would still). I wondered if that might have been movie stars Troy Donahue or Elvis Presley, but it occurs to me that JFK would also have been the right general age and physical type, and of course like the movie stars he was an object of adulation.

And so my thoughts decline from the great (Jefferson) to the great mess.

wnylib

(21,340 posts)
48. I do not see anything in Trump's demeanor or
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 06:43 PM
Jan 2020

personality that suggest an attempt to emulate JFK.

Trump adores authoritarian types and seems eager to please them as well as to adopt their "values." He makes me think of a kid with an authoritarian, abusive father who withheld praise and dished out criticism. So the kid spends the rest of his life proving how tough he is and seeking authoritarian male approval.

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