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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOMG. Hamilton nailed Trump in 1792.
Just quoted by Adam Schiff.
"When a man unprincipled in private life desperate in his fortune, bold in his temper, possessed of considerable talents, having the advantage of military habitsdespotic in his ordinary demeanourknown to have scoffed in private at the principles of libertywhen such a man is seen to mount the hobby horse of popularityto join in the cry of danger to libertyto take every opportunity of embarrassing the General Government & bringing it under suspicionto flatter and fall in with all the non sense of the zealots of the dayIt may justly be suspected that his object is to throw things into confusion that he may ride the storm and direct the whirlwind.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)PatSeg
(47,263 posts)Some of his speeches are like something out of an Aaron Sorkin movie.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)PatSeg
(47,263 posts)wishing that real politicians sounded like that. Guess some wishes come true.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)We need our heroes and Adam Schiff is on the top of my list.
broiles
(1,367 posts)Volaris
(10,266 posts)Let it be HER name signed to the bottom of every single damned federal indictment these fuckers rightly deserve, and let this man be her point man/ attack dog/ 'Elliot Ness'.
I have spoken.
PatSeg
(47,263 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)malthaussen
(17,175 posts)May I have your autograph?
-- Mal
Volaris
(10,266 posts)Mal it would be a high honor (you've been here longer than I have lol!)...yeah, I'll sign it.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)some of the speeches in an aaron sorkin movie are lklike something out of an adam schiff speech...
PatSeg
(47,263 posts)FM123
(10,053 posts)wendyb-NC
(3,302 posts)fits the current occupant of the oval office exactly. Hamilton, must have been prescient.
I love Adam Schiff too, he is such a hero for our democracy and the rule of law.
BKDem
(1,733 posts)wendyb-NC
(3,302 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)nolabear
(41,932 posts)And, you know, have knowledge of history and stuff.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Duppers
(28,117 posts)Most all of them are dense and see and hear only what they want. Cult members are like that.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)he was busy knee-jerking at the person showing it to him. We're all Nazis here. And commies. We do have that in common.
Lefta Dissenter
(6,622 posts)I shared the exact same quote on FB right after seeing the play last month.
Somehow I think he likely did a better job of building on the quote than I did, however, so I won't try to take over his job.
BKDem
(1,733 posts)Brilliant way to open this trial.
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)D_Master81
(1,822 posts)Saw Thom quote Hamilton in a piece worry that impeachment might 1 day become more about the power of a party than if the President was wrong in his actions. The guy mustve had a vision or maybe we havent changed as much as weve thought over the past 200 years.
Shanti Mama
(1,288 posts)They must be working crazy hard right now to keep pulling all this together. Lots of the credit should go to the behind the scenes folks.
yonder
(9,657 posts)except for the "possesed of considerable talents" part.
BKDem
(1,733 posts)...by not many military habits.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)SpankMe
(2,956 posts)From: https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Hamilton/01-12-02-0184-0002
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)That Hamilton guy sure understands whats going on.
Duppers
(28,117 posts)Always loved Hamilton's quotes.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Hamilton, strongly conservative himself, would also have been as deeply concerned about the possibility of leaders rising from the left to ride the storm and direct the whirlwind.
This subject always makes me think of Jefferson. He's often described as radical. In ideas for those days, absolutely, but not at all extremist in its other meaning, in personality. His brilliant mind flexed and ranged very widely, and the way he was able to work with people with many strong differences of opinion, and they with him, became a critical element of the representative democracy they created.
wnylib
(21,340 posts)a White House dinner for some of the brightest people of the time.
"This is perhaps the assembly of the most intelligence ever to gather at one time in the White House, with the exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and what a fine tribute to Jefferson.
wnylib
(21,340 posts)a tribute to JFK himself. A president who knew American history and government and valued both. Also, a president who, like our last one, was confident enough that he was not intimidated by people with some smarts. Not like our current WH disaster who does not have two neurons to rub together for creating a thought.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)technically much smarter people easily and competently. Whatever happened to Trump, his development was somehow warped and stunted, including a believed pathological reaction to severe problems with self image.
Just occurs to me. A common pattern suggests a teenaged Trump would have modeled his appearance after someone he admired at that age (and that he would still). I wondered if that might have been movie stars Troy Donahue or Elvis Presley, but it occurs to me that JFK would also have been the right general age and physical type, and of course like the movie stars he was an object of adulation.
And so my thoughts decline from the great (Jefferson) to the great mess.
wnylib
(21,340 posts)personality that suggest an attempt to emulate JFK.
Trump adores authoritarian types and seems eager to please them as well as to adopt their "values." He makes me think of a kid with an authoritarian, abusive father who withheld praise and dished out criticism. So the kid spends the rest of his life proving how tough he is and seeking authoritarian male approval.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,254 posts)iluvtennis
(19,833 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,467 posts)DeminPennswoods
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NNadir
(33,471 posts)...from a founder of the Republic.
Wounded Bear
(58,598 posts)Trump is a repitition of the same old song and dance.