30 second truth read regarding the gun rally, nails it

[G_j]

30 second read. TRUTH
Katie Rea
11 hrs

I’m seeing a lot of very well-meaning people patting Richmond on the back for the lack of casualties at the anti gun safety rally today. I understand the impulse, since I know how worried many of us were that something really terrible might happen. But I’m going to ask you to please remember the reason for this “peace” was that any potential counter-demonstration was squelched by the fear of violence. So, what we ended up with was 22,000 heavily armed people, decked out in military armor and carrying military weapons, storming through the streets of our city. They traveled in herds, toting heavy weapons, as they moved freely through quiet residential streets of our communities. Inside the homes in these communities, residents anxiously watched their television news and social media feeds. They called their friends and loved ones - often urging them to stay away. Avoid the area. Don’t confront the armed men. We’re calling this “peace.” Because no one was actually shot or assaulted, we’re calling it “nonviolent,” even though the threat of violence never left us. An armed militia occupying our city, silencing opposing views with their threatening presence alone, is NOT peacefulness and it’s not nonviolence. It’s occupation, it’s oppression.

[gratuitous]

1. True fact

As Dr. King said, "True peace is not the absence of tension, it is the presence of justice." Tension was in great supply in Richmond, and justice was nowhere to be seen.

[fwvinson]

41. Im surprised

I'm surprised that a firecracker didn't go off. That might have been fun to watch.

[Scotch-Irish]

49. If those marching had been black men, there would have been a bigger outcry.

Bank on it.

[marble falls]

53. You weren't there, were you? If there were a representive number ...

minorities there, why weren't the RW outlets reporting it? What is your real concern with this patently false narrative?

I mean not one photo of anyone who didn't look exactly like me there marching as a group.

[marble falls]

55. Please. This is your source. And several close shots?

https://twitter.com/iheartmindy.

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Several shots are individuals surrounded by guys who look exactly like me.


Frankly I don't get your point. Say the rally was half black: so what? What are your really getting at?

[marble falls]

57. Not by using extreme right wing personalities twitter accounts you aren't ...

we do not us RW sources for our posts on DU. Especially as skivey as Mindy Robinson who retweets, follows and is followed by Donald Trump Jr.

No legitimate conservative news outlets has published anything you claim, only Breitbart and its like.

[marble falls]

58. You don't respect her but you'll stand by a couple of randon photo's she posts ...

she also retweets Don Trump jr's tweets. And the follow each other. Do you follow her and/or Don? Where did those photos come from? Who took them? What was the circumstances? What do you make of that????? You know the sort of things a news source conservative or liberal does.

Neither Don or Mindy support Democrats, what do you make of that????

[marble falls]

59. Here's one of her event's she's sponsering, "deplorapalooza" ...

https://deplorapalooza.com/

Explain the significance of the one black person on the stage for me. You do know he was kicked off Face Book, right?

[marble falls]

62. But you trust the imformation you you took from her tweet ....

[marble falls]

63. This Erin Smith ...

https://erinforsenate.com/

https://erinforsenate.com/sample-page/


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Not a thing anywhere about guns. Not on any of her pages.

[marble falls]

66. Yeah and this is how her fellow gun enthusiasts respond ...

Stoney Man says:
August 6, 2017 at 10:16

Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness.

TTAG propping up the mentally ill as a pillar of the gun community is not helping.
Reply

pwrserge says:
August 6, 2017 at 10:29

We wish to see him in a psychiatric ward where he can get the help he needs. Genital mutilation is not a laughing matter and is in no way normal. The question of 2nd amendment rights for people in a mental institution is rather moot.

pwrserge says:
August 6, 2017 at 10:36

No, I’m advocating that he be involuntarily committed to an in-patient psych facility. I don’t think anybody in their right mind thinks that committed mental patients or prisoners have 2nd amendment rights.


pwrserge says:
August 6, 2017 at 10:53

Homosexuals aren’t self-mutilating. They can be treated out-patient.


doesky2 says:
August 6, 2017 at 19:51

I’m with you pwrserge on this one.

If chopping off perfectly working body parts doesn’t define mental illness then we’re definately entered into “Crazy Town”.


neiowa says:
August 6, 2017 at 22:05

It’s thousands of these nuts NOT millions. More progtards disinformation and rationalization. And yes, they are mental. Damn few chop it off as they are just full of BS. Until amputation is completed, stay out of the girls restroom freak.


Joseph Quixote says:
August 7, 2017 at 15:32

Homosexuality was classified as a mental illness by the American Psychiatry Institute until 1974. Another fruit of the 1960s counterculture.


Robert Alexander says:
August 7, 2017 at 16:13

Transgender is a misnomer. No one can change their gender. Your gender was determined at conception, it is in your chromosomes. You can no more change your gender than you can change your DNA. Any biologist will confirm this.



anonymoose says:
August 6, 2017 at 10:26

So is homosexuality, but people live with it, and every person needs their right to self-defense, free speech, free assembly, etc.
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doesky2 says:
August 6, 2017 at 19:54

The support of Transgenderism leads to the current rage of child abuse by parents who provide sex blocking hormones to their children.
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pwrserge says:
August 6, 2017 at 10:33

I don’t care how he feels the same way I don’t care how a schizophrenic feels. Both are obviously a danger to themselves and others. Locking them up in a mental hospital is just plain common sense.
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AntiqueRifles says:
August 6, 2017 at 13:38

“I don’t care how he feels the same way I don’t care how a schizophrenic feels. Both are obviously a danger to themselves and others.”

Funny, the ATF didn’t think so when they granted me my FFL, or my tax stamps… no one has adjudicated me to be a danger. I’ve never hurt anyone.



avatar pwrserge says:
August 6, 2017 at 10:58

Ok Will, what other mental disorders shouldn’t result in you being locked in a padded room? Schizophrenia? DID?

If someone is willing to surgically or chemically mutilate themselves to the point where they are no longer a functional member of the species, they cannot be trusted outside the care of a psychiatric professional.
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And on and on ad nauseum.

By the way she wasn't at the gun worship in VA, was she?

[marble falls]

69. Sure I did. So what? You misrepresented, I posted things from your link. Rationalization ...

is not evidence, Joe.

You claimed the gunhuggery in VA was a an inclusive love fest of everyone, I'm showing you from your own link that couldn't have been true.

See doesn't even mentionguns in her own website two years later. Explain that. Why doesn't she pander to gun huggers anymore.

How does your link prove anything about the shitfest in Virginia. Take your time.

[marble falls]

72. You said EVERYONE got along in Virginia and you posted a link ...

a page over two years old that shows very clearly as you admit, more than half hate her.

Seriously, you think a minority is a majority? This was more than two years ago, her current website doesn't mention guns, or the gun/phallus fest in Virginia that you claimed was peace and love for all of every group.

She hasn't backed up on her identity journey but she's cut off all mention of guns on her election website, can you explain that, please?

[A HERETIC I AM]

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[marble falls]

73. LOVE the Python quote!!!

[Midnight Writer]

2. If my neighbor stood in his lawn, armored and waving a gun, I would not praise him for his restraint

[Atticus]

3. Insightful and well said. Thanks. nt

[Pacifist Patriot]

4. Eloquent and painful reminder.

[SWBTATTReg]

5. Yes. Oppression and occupation. Thugs, no less. If this happened in my neighborhood, I'd...

be terrified too. How do we know that these people won't be out of control? We don't know them, nor do we know what kind of history they have, and what other kinds of nonsense and antics they are up to.

We had these gun nuts come into STLMO when we had the riots happen several years ago, and these people (camping out on roofs, and roaming around, etc.) didn't help one bit, in stabilizing or calming tensions down in the city. Instead, calmer heads prevailed and tensions abated without any major violence (some store windows were smashed in, but not much more than this). Community leaders, calm police tactics, and generally, everyone wanted peace prevailed. No guns were involved and it didn't take any either to restore calm.

[Hoyt]

6. The Klan -- like these white wing racists yesterday -- did not always shoot or lynch. Intimidation was

their intent. Nothing peaceful or nonviolent about that.

[Poiuyt]

20. Peaceful

[Liberal In Texas]

7. When one knows somebody is spoiling for a fight, most sane people cross the street

to avoid any confrontation. Because there was no fight, doesn't make the bully any more right.

Righteous post.

[Newest Reality]

8. Good Points!

Yes, the semiotics here are the important factor. The spectacle of that kind of flagrant behavior is both ominous and telling.

Using words like, "peaceful" really only means that nobody was hurt or killed, as you said. That does not contradict the implications and message being given.

When we have to respond by being careful, staying in and avoiding them, then the aggression and intent has a different context and I think it transcends the implications of protecting 2nd Amendment rights. They probably know full well that gun safety is not at all about taking away anybody's guns, that's just a wedge issue in that case.

This promiscuous gun toting crowd is trying to send a message and it reminds me of the jackboot Brown Shirts when they were just getting started in Germany. They were brutal, aggressive thugs who were hungry for control and power.

Our current ACTING President knows full well that his green light to this affront to our society, our safety and our freedom, (they get to be free, we don't in this case) and failure to deter the "militias" encourages the movement. It seems that he would welcome his own army of goons to assist him and the GOP in taking over. Yes, taking over. That's what it is about to me and it took a while to really come to the point of recognizing the ulterior motives here.

[wnylib]

17. Your comparison to the early days of the

brown shirts is spot on. They marched through streets intimidating people and spreading fear. Any opposition demonstrations were broken up with violence.

[jmg257]

9. Great - so these private militia clowns will feel further emboldened...

guess showing up armed had its perks.

As many here posted, may not lead to the positive political benefits those PM clowns (supposedly) wanted.

[wendyb-NC]

10. Thank you, I agree.

[tblue37]

11. + a brazillion! nt

[KPN]

12. Their purpose was exactly that -- intimidation.

And our media play along with it. Disgraceful.

[Duppers]

15. Exactly!

[pangaia]

13. TRUTH!

And THIS is what is coming to America...

once trump is 'acquited,' and whatever appears to be the result of the 2020 election., we will be under an authoritarian dicatorship of republican treaitors

Then these vigilantees will have full freedom to do whatever they want..

Better believe it....

[fwvinson]

42. Liberals have guns, also. But, Liberals seem to have a brain, and control, and empathy.

[pangaia]

46. repubs are like attack dogs !!

liberals are more like practitioners of aikido. First rule in aikido when threatened is to cross the street.

[jalan48]

14. Brownshirts training exercises.

[ancianita]

16. You've heard of virtue signalling. Well, this was threat signalling. Free floating, ready to be led.

I agree. It is the oppression of threat, and the threat of oppression.

[Newest Reality]

18. That's good to bring up...

I thought I would supply a link to a general, WIKI overview on virtue signaling since it is an appropriate designation of what we are seeing, to some degree. It does apply, in some ways and I think the current behavior we see is a variation of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling

[lunatica]

19. More than that it's implied terrorism.

All you have to ask is what’s the message. You can easily dismiss the dribble about their right to bear arms because no one is threatening their rights. You can laugh off patriotism unless you think automatic weapons, camouflage clothing, the Don’t Tread on Me and the Union Jack flags are all equal to Love of this rule of law country literally made up of every ethnic group in the world.

[jmg257]

21. Anyway, luckily they are considered by so many here as a bunch of fat clowns, hayseeds,

and children at Cosplay in their costumes and toys and penis-enlargers, whom in actuality pose no real threat.

(unless a pack of firecrackers gets lit off or soemthing).

[pangaia]

47. yes...

the same people who think because some of us believe trumpo will NOT leave office, that we are nuts

[fescuerescue]

22. An entire city was basically held at gunpoint

And we are supposed to be grateful that it didn't turn into civil war 2.

If one person does it, it's called a stickup. When 22,000 people threaten to go on a murder rampage, it's called a rally.

[Doreen]

23. There is NOTHING

peaceful about intimidation. It might not be physical violence but it is most certainly psychological violence.

[Karadeniz]

24. So true...thanks for the message.

[paleotn]

25. Exactly...

A part of the white male population of this country are fascist thugs, with some serious mental deficiencies. On display for all to see in Richmond.

[Hekate]

26. KnR

[albacore]

27. Didn't the FBI arrest a bunch of the leadership of that mob beforehand? nt

[WVJoe]

28. I believe 3 people were arrested

Though they had nothing to do with the leadership of the rally. They were supposedly part of a group called “The Base”. Haven’t heard if they were actually planning to do anything, only they were “hoping” something would happen. The leadership was the VCDL (VA citizens defense league). They recommended activists leave their guns at home. They have been participating in Lobby Day for years. The new gun laws triggered the huge turnout, past years were a handful to a couple hundred people.

[marble falls]

34. Actually, six people at least were arrested, and three were planning to start ...

something they intended to begin "the next civil war".

https://www.wowktv.com/news/u-s-world/organizers-appeal-virginia-rally-gun-ban-6-now-arrested/

The lawsuit and court rulings came as the FBI arrested six men whom authorities linked to a white supremacist group known as The Base. At least three of them were planning to attend the pro-gun rally Monday on the grounds of the state Capitol in Richmond, according to an official who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an active investigation.

<snip>

Gun-rights groups argued the ban would violate their Second Amendment right to bear arms and their First Amendment freedom of speech. But a Richmond judge upheld the ban on Thursday, citing rulings from the U.S. Supreme Court and other courts that the Second Amendment right to bear arms is not unlimited.

<snip>

President Donald Trump jumped into the fray on Friday, tweeting that the Second Amendment “is under very serious attack in the Great Commonwealth of Virginia.”

“That’s what happens when you vote for Democrats, they will take your guns away,” Trump tweeted.

<snip>

Virginia’s solicitor general, Toby Heytens, told Judge Taylor on Thursday that law enforcement had identified “credible evidence” that armed out-of-state groups planned to come to Virginia with the possible intention of participating in a “violent insurrection.”

The FBI has said the six men arrested — in Delaware, Georgia and Maryland — were linked to The Base, a collective of hardcore neo-Nazis that operates as a paramilitary organization. The Base has proclaimed war against minority communities within the United States and abroad, the FBI has said. Unlike other extremist groups, it’s not focused on promulgating propaganda; instead the group aims to bring together highly skilled members to train them for acts of violence.

One of the arrested men had discussed traveling to Ukraine to fight alongside “nationalists” and compared the white supremacist group to al-Qaida, a prosecutor said in court Thursday.

Shannon Watts, founder of Moms Demand Action, a nonprofit advocacy group looking to curb gun violence, told reporters on a conference call Friday that online threats against the group’s employees and volunteers have also increased, comparable to what they’ve seen previously in the run-up to large pro-gun rallies.

<snip>

“Their views are not representative of the majority of Virginians,” she said.

Because of the threat of possible violence, organizers of an annual vigil for victims of gun violence — usually held on the King holiday each year — said Friday that they have canceled their event this year.

“Given the serious concerns about possible violence on Monday, we recognize that we can not guarantee the safety of the brave gun violence prevention activists and survivors who have fought so hard for this day,” said Lori Haas, state director of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence.

Friday’s developments unfolded on Lee-Jackson Day, a state holiday honoring Confederate generals Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson. Legislation proposed this year and supported by Northam would scrap the holiday.

<snip>

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[marble falls]

38. From the NYT today ...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/22/us/white-supremacy-the-base.html

The plans were as sweeping as they were chilling: “Derail some trains, kill some people, and poison some water supplies.”

It was the blunt, bloody prescription for sparking a race war by a member of the Base, a white supremacist group that has come under intense scrutiny amid a series of stunning recent arrests.

Federal agents, who had secretly recorded those remarks in a bugged apartment during a domestic terrorism investigation, pounced on seven members of the group last week in advance of a rally on Monday by gun rights advocates in Richmond, Va. Three members of one cell in Maryland affiliated with the group plotted attacks at the rally, hoping to ignite wider violence that would lead to the creation of a white ethno-state, law enforcement officials said.

The “defendants did more than talk,” Robert K. Hur, the United States attorney for Maryland, said after a detention hearing on Wednesday in federal court in Greenbelt, Md. “They took steps to act and act violently on their racist views.”

The details that emerged in court and in documents from active cases in three other states — Georgia, Wisconsin and New Jersey — unveiled a disturbing new face of white supremacy.

The Base illustrates what law enforcement officials and extremism experts describe as an expanding threat, particularly from adherents who cluster in small cells organized under the auspices of a larger group that spreads violent ideology.

“We have a significant increase in racially motivated violent extremism in the United States and, I think, a growing increase in white nationalism and white supremacy extremist movements,” Jay Tabb, the head of national security for the F.B.I., said at an event in Washington last we

[ramen]

39. Je - sus.

Hoping these assholes come around to the truth at some point. This is some haplessly evil shit.

[marble falls]

44. Truly for real, brass riveted evil.

[justhanginon]

29. Excellent!

[bluecollar2]

30. What happens when I

Click the "like" icon?

I know what happens when I click the "rec" icon but have no idea otherwise...

[Crunchy Frog]

32. I think that means that you "like" it on Facebook.

[bluecollar2]

33. I was thinking that's what it was...

But I'd like to see the post on facebook to share it but dont know how to find it....

Oh well...

[G_j]

43. Unfortunately that's all there is

it was sent it to me by a friend, no link, it had obviously been posted on FB.

[Crunchy Frog]

31. Terror equals peace.

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At least that's how much of the country seems to view it. Including an alarmingly large number of posters right here on DU, from what I've been reading on here the past couple days.

Edited because I just realized that equal signs don't work in post headings.

[NotHardly]

35. Spot On

[catrose]

36. I received an email from March for Our Lives

in which they said they'd had an event planned at the Capitol, but law enforcement told them not to come out on Monday, that their safety couldn't be guaranteed, not even for walking across the grounds. So the kids slept in the building Sunday night and spent Monday lobbying their reps for control, as planned, while these guys waved their...guns...outside.

[Crunchy Frog]

37. So they actually prevented other people from exercizing their 1st Ammendment rights.

But that's fine and dandy because nobody actually got shot.

I saw that argument posted a LOT here on DU a couple of days ago. Don't know why they're all avoiding this thread.

[catrose]

71. Yes. Grrrr. Big success for the gun slingers.

[NCLefty]

40. Hear hear. (Also, your sig image is blurry for me. Link might be bad now.)

[Locrian]

45. nailed it....

It's pretty much:

If you give a fascist a cookie....

[Historic NY]

48. Should have called out the National Guard.....

[Nitram]

51. MLK day is a day that ordinary citizens in Virginia meet with their representatives in state

government. They mostly stayed home because of the threat of armed gun nuts. That wasn't a "success" except for the militant right wing.

[catrose]

70. The March for Our Lives group said they were TOLD to stay away.

Instead, they slept overnight in the Capitol and lobbied their reps the next day in safety.

[Nitram]

74. I'm glad to hear that, catrose.

[Runningdawg]

52. Bravo! now...who is Katie Rea and where can I read more?

[smirkymonkey]

67. +1000