****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/22/20 THREAD 2****

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Thread 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212897293

[BumRushDaShow]

1. Adam Schiff has been presenting the House case over the past almost 2 hours

Per Turtle, at some point around the conclusion of the 2 hours , the Senate will take a break.

[oasis]

3. I admire the high level of stamina and intellect of Congressman Schiff.

[nolabear]

5. He's just incredible. A stunning combo of fact and presence.

I respected him before. He’s a hero to me now.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

2. "decline of democracy", "thugocracy", "Russian propaganda"

[sprinkleeninow]

53. Drive up window: "Yes, I'll have the Schiff Daily Combo, please!" 😍

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4. Did Schiff just say "Thugocracy"?

It's a world of "autocrats and hypocrites".

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6. He did.

[ancianita]

23. Holy shit I missed it; can't wait to see the video

[ecstatic]

70. Perfect word for what we're living under right now. nt

[flamingdem]

7. Beautiful arguments by Schiff

[backtoblue]

8. Explaining article 2, obstruction of congress

[getagrip_already]

9. 2 hours and just finished article 1.....

He is going to need a potty break. That's a long time to speak passionately. Damn.

[BumRushDaShow]

10. Schiff just said he has about "10 minutes left in his report so the end is in sight"

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11. blanket order to defy, "no president before",, "not a single document"

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12. impeachable offense aimed to destroy impeachment itself

[Peregrine Took]

13. Is there one rethug in the whole country who can hold a candle to him?

I say no!

[napi21]

103. Not that I'm aware of. There are some fairly intelligent Pubs in the Senate, but none as articulate

as Adam. If you think about it, there aren't any other Dems wh are just like Schiff either. He's really one of a kind.

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14. ****RECESS UNTIL 10 MINUTES UNTIL 4:00 PM ET****

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15. Schiff ended with - "At the conclusion of the Constitutional Convention, Franklin was asked -

"What do we have - a Republic or a Monarchy? And Franklin responded a 'Republic if we can keep it'."

(the famous quote)

[woodsprite]

16. Love to ask that asshole Graham to his face what exactly Putin and Trump have on him.

Just donated to Harrison.

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17. ***THEY ARE BACK IN SESSION***

[backtoblue]

18. Back from break. Nadler up

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19. Nadler is up and will be going through the Articles

[Hermit-The-Prog]

20. Moscow Mitch wants to sequester the jury to control group-think.

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21. local ABC not covering. local CBS, NBC, PBS continuing

[hlthe2b]

41. WTF: NBC covering live, CBS has gone to cross talk with Norah and Panel, ABC has Kelly Clark on?

This is disgraceful. I hope ABC gets an earful. Oh, now NBC is going to regular coverage.

This is absolutely WRONG!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

45. oh, the networks will provide us with (selected) 5 sec soundbites

No worries. History cannot be allowed to interfere with advertising.

Even the kleptocracy they dream of will provide mansions for the oligarchs.

[bdamomma]

62. No wonder

the Citizenry is so ignorant of what's going on, media is no help, business as usual for them.

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22. Nadler is playing a clip from Amb. Yovanovich's testimony

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24. Kick

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25. official policy of U.S. to remove Shokin; not personal policy of Joe Biden

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26. Nadler has concluded his run-through of the Yovanovich storyline.

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27. Now Sylvia Garcia (D-TX) is up to continue the presentation

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28. graduate of Thurgood Marshall School of Law (shown onscreen on NBC)

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29. BWAH!!!!!! Putting Ghouliani clip in the record from one of his Faux Snoozes appearances

[SamKnause]

30. Our team is doing a damn fine job of getting the facts out.

Schiff and Nadler have both opened up a can of whoop ass.

Clip after clip, e-mail after e-mail.


As Dr. Hill said, "It is beyond dispute".

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31. She is just digging into all the Ghouliani slimey stuff

[nolabear]

32. And Pence. They were ALL in the loop.

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33. Someone media outlet needs to do some deep investigation on Pence

for real!

[ancianita]

35. My guess is that 16 intel agencies have "material."

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36. Well now that's probably true

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34. And Garcia has concluded her portion and Jason Crow is now up.

And then Crow noted that the Managers wanted to include a break after each 2 hours so when he is done, they will ask to allow the break.

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37. Crow is running through the detail from the military/security aid aspect - including the "hold"

(as a vet)

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39. ?: Schiff - overview, Nadler - State, Garcia - outsider loop, Crow - military

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47. They are mirroring what they did yesterday with arguing for Schumer's Amendments

I expect Hakeem Jeffries or Val Demmings will be up (after the break) with what they argued yesterday. It's like yesterday was their "dress rehearsal" for today.

[Mersky]

38. Crow is relating the importance of aid to Ukraine

He mentioned that the aid from the US represents about 10% of their military budget.

[BumRushDaShow]

40. Crow reiterated that due to the law and the way the funds were programmed

that Congress HAD to pass legislation in order to change the stipulations and type (color) of the funds to allow it to cross fiscal years because it could not be spent or even obligated by the end of the fiscal year (where if it had not been obligated, it would be required to be returned to the Treasury).

I know working for the federal government for 30+ years, there is always the end-of-year insanity of getting funds spent and/or obligated before September 30. And I expect with this type of expenditure - with weapons systems, etc., there is a huge contracting process that could never have been completed in time.

[Mersky]

42. We know this, but it bears repeating: mulvaney is both the OMB Director and the WH chief of staff

How conveeenient for the pResident.



Appreciated Crow folding that in to his telling of the timeline of the Ukraine assistance scheme.

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43. local NBC cut away. only PBS remaining, locally

[backtoblue]

44. Fox has switched to the usual lying commentary

[Gidney N Cloyd]

75. I tuned into the last few minutes of "The Five." I was a bit curious how they were handling things.

I don't mind so much when they speak with a slanted, snarky tone, or even much if they get selective with facts, but when they outright LIE I lose my shit.

[avebury]

46. Jason Crow is very impressive in showing the consequences

of Trump withholding the military aid. His military background gives him a lot of credibility.

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48. Discussing how to do the break - Crow said he had about 15 minutes left

and was getting Roberts to agree and then Turtle decided that he wanted a "break for dinner" at 6:30 pm for 30 minutes so, looks like they will continue until 6:30 (although I expect they may still include a short break in between).

[Mersky]

49. Said that on July 23rd DoD officials were questioning

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Whether the withholding of the aid was legal.

He also noted that the hold was for the entire $391 million.

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50. Demings -- straight to the meeting that never was

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51. Crow has concluded and Val Demmings (D-FL) is up to present her portion

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52. Demmings now invoking Ghouliani

"Acting at the direction of the President"

[Mersky]

54. Sondland clip: mr giuliani's requests were a quid pro quo

And Demings showed a text from Yermak to Volker saying that he knew that giuliani was “key” to getting things rolling. (this in regards to Zelensky getting a meeting with the pResident)

And further there was a clip of Dr Hill’s take on the ‘drug deal’ - that’s when asked if she went to the lawyers after Bolton’s comments, and she replied, “I certainly did.”

[Mersky]

55. Demings emphasized that Sondland testified that he wasn't part of some rogue operation

That he famously testified that, “Everybody was in the loop.”

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56. Demings has concluding her remarks - essentially related to Bolton

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57. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) up to provide his portion.

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58. "No one is above the law" in the United States, including the President of the United States

in contrast to Kim Jong-Un of North Korea or Erdowan in Turkey.

[bdamomma]

59. BumRushDaShow

thanks so much for your true dedication and work to post these threads on these 2 most important days.

I like listening to Hakeem, he's just the facts.

[BumRushDaShow]

60. You are welcome!

This is history unfolding before our eyes and is extremely rare within the lifetime of the country!

[Mersky]

61. Amb Volker text to Ukrainian official, Yermak on July 25

Clearly shows that he communicates that Zelensky must convince tRump that he’ll investigate/get to the bottom of what happened in 2016 to get that meeting with tRump. (Time stamped at 8:36 am - this was sent ahead of the ‘perfect call’)

(I’ve seen this before, but it resonates now, as Volker is in the loop AND Yermak must have known this.)

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Eta: this was presented towards the last quarter of Demings’ section. Lol, I’m lagging extra today between distractions, obligations, etc. Oh, and there’s the tiredness.)

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63. Jeffries - "Stone cold Russian propaganda"

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64. and he points out it's not the only time Trump capitalized on Russian propaganda

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65. Playing the clip - "Start a major investigation into the Bidens"

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66. And Jeffries about the Ghoul--

"Ghouliani is not Secretary of State. He is not an ambassador or member of the diplomatic corps. Rudolph Ghouliani is a cold-blooded political operative for President Trump's re-election campaign."

[Mersky]

67. Paraphrasing Jeffries: VP Biden was carrying out official foreign policy

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In pursuing the removal of the corrupt Lutsenko, as was the position of this very distinguished body (motions to the senate chamber). Also related that his pursuit matched with that of the UN and IMF.

Then he went on to say it was the Ukrainian government that removed the prosecutor, not Joe Biden.

Eta: Can a fellow DUer rewind and review this section? I may have not captured this section accurately. I am currently, as I’m writing this during the dinner break for the 1/22 Senate Impeachment trial, am unable to review as I’m watching live streams. It’s possible that he said Shokin and otherwise referred to Lutsenko. It’s also possible that I’m generally confused about this timeline. See comments 88, 97, and 98 for further context.

[Mersky]

104. Replying to myself to confirm

I went back and reviewed this section. Jeffries did say Lutsenko. Also, I typed UN, but he actually said European allies.

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Am well rested today, so am hoping to track a little better, and can do a better job of posting from my written notes.

[ecstatic]

68. I'm so glad Jeffries is talking about trump's involvement in the plot to stalk and possibly

harm/kill Yovanovitch! This specific crime deserves a lot more attention (I haven't been watching so I don't know if someone else brought it up, but we need to keep bringing this up!).

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69. Jeffries played the clip of Yovanovich's take on the statement "she's gonna go through some things"

which she considered a "threat".

[Mersky]

90. Then showed the portion of the perfect* call where tRump

Praises the corrupt prosecutor, Lutsenko, that was removed

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71. Jeffries explaining "Quid Pro Quo" - "This for that".

[demtenjeep]

74. who yelled and what did they yell?

that was weird

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78. I couldn't tell what they were yelling

[Lars39]

72. Somebody yelled and disrupted...Jeffries is back on it.

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73. **PROTESTOR INTERRUPTION**

Asked Sergent of Arms to restore order in the galley!

[Skidmore]

77. Does under pain of imprisonment

only apply to Senators?

[nolabear]

79. The yelling went on in the distance forever.

[Mersky]

82. I heard that, too

[Mersky]

80. Bam, bam, bam...

Went the gavel.

Couldn’t make out what they were hollering.

[nolabear]

76. WTF JUST HAPPENED???

You can still hear them screaming in the background!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

83. maybe someone protesting GOPer Senators walking out, against rules

[Piasladic]

84. I hope she's okay (or he's)

Even if the protester is a republican, I hope they didn't hurt them.

[Miles Archer]

81. Did not understand one word of the outburst

We shall see if the talking heads decipher it later.

[BannonsLiver]

87. Something about Jesus

That’s the only thing I could make out. Dudes got a set of lungs on him. You could hear him shouting even after he was removed.

[nolabear]

91. That's why Jeffries replied with a Bible quote.

To just be able to whip that out—NINJA skills! 😄

[mobeau69]

93. LOL. Yep, he's damn good!

[mobeau69]

92. I think it was a female.

[mobeau69]

89. Didn't Jeffries respond to the protest with scripture?

Gotta see that again.

[mobeau69]

85. Hakeem, you make us all proud.

I could listen to him kick ass long and long.

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86. Jeffries played Vindman clip

[dpibel]

88. Hate to pick nits

Jeffries referred multiple times to Lutsenko as the prosecutor at issue in the Biden claims.

It was Viktor Shokin.

Don't know what happened here. The house managers' preparation has been excellent throughout.

Am I mistaken here?

On the one hand, it's a trivial point and has nothing to do with the substance.

On the other, it's the kind of trivia that gets seized on by the kind of dishonest attorneys on the Trump side.

It's the particular burden of trial attorneys: You can't afford to make any mistakes, even small ones.

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97. Trump didn't like Lutsenko; Trump wanted corrupt Shokin back

Trump & Giuliano had already been working to do a deal with Shokin. The Ukraine election screwed that up for them, so they wanted Zelensky to bring Shokin back. Trump called Shokin "very good" -- trumpspeak meaning for sale.

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98. There are issues with those 2 people depending on the timeframe

Shokin had been universally considered corrupt and was finally removed after Zelensky got in. Lutsenko succeeded him and started throwing out all the phony investigations that Shokin had started.

The WH has been trying to make it appear to be the reverse with Lutsenko as being "corrupt" for refusing to investigate the Bidens and insisting that Biden had forced the removal of Shokin because of his son.

So don't accept the Drumpf version when it comes to who was prosecutor (from what I understand too, Hunter was no longer at Burisma after 2014 and Shokin wasn't even in the role as prosecutor until 2015 - 2016).

[Mersky]

102. I typed in Lutsenko in my comment, #67

And it’s possible that I misheard, or something. I’m reviewing the situation, now.

Eta: So, I made comment in my post that I am questioning the accuracy of my post. Also, am unable to review, as I haven’t found a live stream/video that I can rewind at this time. See my comment, #67.

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94. Jeffries has concluded and they will be on dinner break.

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95. ****30 MINUTE DINNER RECESS TO RETURN AROUND 7:05 PM ET***

[bdamomma]

96. Dinner break

those ole repigs behind Moscow Mitch flew out of their seats. Jerks.

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99. Had switched to MSNBC with Klobachar on Ari's show

and she started talking about "the room where it happens, room where it happens".

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[Miles Archer]

101. Details on the screamer

Todd J. Gillman
@toddgillman

A protester just burst into the Senate gallery, Gallery 5, across chamber from the dais, yelling something like "Jesus Christ! They're trying to overturn the election!" Capitol Police instantly grabbed him and pulled him out to the hall. Yelling continued. #impeachmenttrial

6:24 PM · Jan 22, 2020·Twitter Web App

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Todd J. Gillman
@toddgillman

As security dragged out #protester, still yelling, Chief Justice Roberts banged his gavel: "The Senate will be in order. The sergeant at arms will restore order in the gallery." @RepJeffries
continued presentation. Reports the man was yelling about abortion. #ImpeachmentTrial

6:35 PM · Jan 22, 2020·Twitter Web App

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