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ancianita

(36,043 posts)
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 04:36 PM Jan 2020

ABOUT THE VOTE IN NOVEMBER

Last edited Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:49 PM - Edit history (1)

Our great patriot, Adam Schiff has stirred the nation’s awareness of how near to the end of The Republic we are.

But for me, Eyeball_Kid’s posts have compelled me to raise a problem for America under a lawless president.

Here’s our problem: our unfounded belief that there will even BE a November election.
Every day, millions of us say, “oh, we’ll remove this guy in November.”
Millions of us assume that MF45 will do nothing to stop that.

What in his past deeds would ever make us think he would not insure his November win? We have no evidence of that. Nothing.

All the more then, do we need to seriously reconsider our assumption that we will retain any voting power. At all.


To ignore that possibility as part of an “October surprise" is to mentally hide from everything we’ve learned about how 45 and Republicans have operated since Reagan.

We have to see what’s in front of us. Right now.

Right now, millions of Americans NOW have to think about the consequences of a Senate acquittal that will go way beyond Trump’s feel-good rallies.

Already setting up their hold on this government, 45, his cabinet, cyber, ground operatives and Republicans can do a lot that’s unseen and unreported in the next ten months. Not only can they wreck the 2020 election, they can force despair and withdrawal of the electorate and Democrats; and they can eliminate future elections altogether. They have come to make us eat, one bite at a time, this dead Republic elephant in the room.

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As Eyeball_Kid and others in recent weeks have pointed out
, we first need to really see 45's supporters.
They occupy much bigger space than do gullible voters at 45’s spite/grievance rallies.

At the top space of federal government, Trump’s leadership all support the unitary executive assertions that AG Barr loves. Barr makes the rounds at think tanks, legal foundations and universities to promote that the moral decay of America necessitates a “unified power of the executive.”

At state levels, Republicans all support a "permanent Republican minority-majority" goal, set in motion by Newt Gingrich and Tom DeLay in the 1980s, which continue to include
-- gerrymandering,
-- manipulating voting machines,
-- changing voting data in servers, and
-- radio/TV markets saturated with right wing propaganda.

Do not underestimate the Trump Party's awareness — at any of these levels — of what they can do after the Senate acquittal. They’ve been at it for forty years, and more is coming.

As for Trump himself, watch the Senate acquittal, and then watch the threads multiply here over Trump and what his henchmen do with that acquittal in the next ten months. But those posts will miss the larger context.

From Eyeball_Kid (somewhat paraphrased):

First, Trump, upon Senate acquittal, will use this explicit permission to enable ALL of the above, AND he'll then pull in propaganda efforts by FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS, unhindered by Congress or any other entity.

Next, we'd BETTER remember the Patriot Act, because it gives Trump the power to manufacture a national security emergency in order to cancel the election. It will be within his power to do so if he sees an election loss looming

If you're thinking that the "manufacturing" part will make it invalid, think again. By the time Congress gets the news, it will already be too late. A dictator doesn't have to wait for approval. Besides, this Acquittal will already have rendered Congressional oversight ignored and impotent.

A real and historic crisis is unfolding RIGHT NOW.

When the Senate acquits, the Constitution dies.


Thank you, Eyeball_Kid, for your "Forbidden Logic" post.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12889779

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But a fascist dictatorship will roll out hereafter whether we see it or not.
Immersed in the last years of ugly news and legal fights, we’ve been only vaguely aware of Putin’s Eurasian Project to destabilize and stigmatize resisting banks, bankers, media, governments and civil rights organizations of the “decadent West.”

More noticeable has been the Republican Fifth Column inside and outside our government that has taken their money, welcomed them into America, enabled their residency, laundered money, hacked Internet (from utility infrastructure levels to grandparents' zombie computers); fake journalist “enemies,” fake news, trolls and all. Hybrid insurgency. For the last six years we’ve read and shared books written about it all.

IF we find that we live UNDER A dictator, it will be because we finally see several components about dictatorship around us:

— We’ll see Barr's and Republicans’ finally settling the issue that this president can do whatever he wants — he will — coequal branches of government hierarchalized, hobbled.
— We’ll see when we take into account that 19.5% of Americans didn't know who they voted for, sold their national inheritance for a mess of pottage, the base.
— We’ll face that the rest of Trump supporters still will never admit their mistake, just double down, arm themselves, and forge ahead to run the American house, dragging along their sunk cost fallacy with them like an old, gimp friend.

Hate it or not, we’ll have to accept how much Trumpers have wanted their corporate christo-fascist nazi government, false prophet president and apocalypse (with fundamentalist Barr's hovering support).

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When we do we will not be shocked, outraged and crazy
when authoritarian followers from bottom to top of our land won't mind a suspension of a general election. Obedience has always been easier. It can happen in ten months.

We’ll be in a nation of men, not a nation of constitutional law. Where we’ll hear: No one’s above the law? Nah, that’s all in the past. I’ve got news for you: get used to it.

Under that nation of men, the only civil war will be one that Trump foments. What have been random mass shootings are a preview, a mere click away, from purges that are the first thing a new dictator directs.

But honest elections? Never again. Unless …
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ABOUT THE VOTE IN NOVEMBER (Original Post) ancianita Jan 2020 OP
Well said! K&R n/t CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2020 #1
Eyeball_Kid has it exactly right. It's the only logical conclusion. dchill Jan 2020 #2
Unless... ? ancianita Jan 2020 #3
You can't bait me into answering a question... dchill Jan 2020 #5
This is a discussion board. If you think I know, you're mistaken. I ask not to bait, but because I ancianita Jan 2020 #7
The only legal recourse is protest... dchill Jan 2020 #18
"the only way he and his cohort stay out of prison" FiveGoodMen Jan 2020 #9
K&R 2naSalit Jan 2020 #4
Yes. Exactly. It's over. // Nations can rise again - devastation and pain first. (n/t) IndyOp Jan 2020 #6
Unless...? ancianita Jan 2020 #8
ancianita, you are a brilliant saidsimplesimon Jan 2020 #10
There's always that "unless...", haha. Thank you for your kind post. ancianita Jan 2020 #11
I don't think anyone will suggest what comes after "unless" due to fear. triron Jan 2020 #12
Unless we can study how the Founders channeled their fear, and do what the Founders did, ancianita Jan 2020 #13
Some things may carry over but they lived in a much different age technologically and were triron Jan 2020 #15
True. But we can also think of what we do have that they didn't. ancianita Jan 2020 #16
Perhaps a fracturing of the nation is necessary? triron Jan 2020 #14
Maybe. It already is in many ways. Sounds like a hard way to do it. Are you suggesting outposts of ancianita Jan 2020 #17
Got me. triron Jan 2020 #19
lol good lord, not my intent. Just trying to discuss. ancianita Jan 2020 #20
I realize that you meant nothing critical; I just don't know. triron Jan 2020 #21
It's not inherently interesting. It's future projection. Could turn out to be other worse things. ancianita Jan 2020 #22

dchill

(38,474 posts)
2. Eyeball_Kid has it exactly right. It's the only logical conclusion.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 04:43 PM
Jan 2020

Trump HAS to do this. Staying in office, or better yet, in power, is the only way he and his cohort stay out of prison. Without a free and fair election, the government has no way to fix itself. Remember, the entire GOP knows this.

ancianita

(36,043 posts)
7. This is a discussion board. If you think I know, you're mistaken. I ask not to bait, but because I
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 04:52 PM
Jan 2020

seek answers. What can we do? Knowing what's happening is just not enough.

The "Republic, if you can keep it" answer from Ben Franklin, demands that we ask each other, "How now can we keep it?"

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
9. "the only way he and his cohort stay out of prison"
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 04:53 PM
Jan 2020

No.

Their main way is to let the other side (us) look forward and take punishment off the table.

It's worked for them before!

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
10. ancianita, you are a brilliant
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 04:58 PM
Jan 2020

writer and scholar. imo

This belongs on the front page for at least the next two days. I hope the administrators and other members agree.

Unless...

triron

(21,999 posts)
12. I don't think anyone will suggest what comes after "unless" due to fear.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:11 PM
Jan 2020

Same thing as happened in Germany. I will add that if in 1776 the temperament of the present media and voting public
existed, we would probably have stayed British colonies indefinitely.

ancianita

(36,043 posts)
13. Unless we can study how the Founders channeled their fear, and do what the Founders did,
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:17 PM
Jan 2020

not just "We Mutually Pledge To Each Other Our Lives, Our Fortunes And Our Sacred Honor" but coordinate the means by which we can live up to that pledge.

If we see how our leaders do or don't live up to their oaths, can we show ourselves to be better able than they?

Fear is instructive.

What we fear can be named, studied for its strengths and weaknesses.

triron

(21,999 posts)
15. Some things may carry over but they lived in a much different age technologically and were
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:29 PM
Jan 2020

insulated from England by an ocean. We have none of that.

triron

(21,999 posts)
14. Perhaps a fracturing of the nation is necessary?
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:27 PM
Jan 2020

For instance a new republic led by California and another in New England?

ancianita

(36,043 posts)
17. Maybe. It already is in many ways. Sounds like a hard way to do it. Are you suggesting outposts of
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:35 PM
Jan 2020

rule of law? How could they work that?

ancianita

(36,043 posts)
20. lol good lord, not my intent. Just trying to discuss.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 09:01 PM
Jan 2020

I've had friends in WA talk about a three-state secession -- WA, OR, CA -- and there was talk a year or two ago about the question being on a CA referendum. Nothing came of it. We came up with the name Pacifica.

I always wondered why Texans have talked about seceding, even publicly warned the country.

So I usually have questions when thinking along those lines.

triron

(21,999 posts)
21. I realize that you meant nothing critical; I just don't know.
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:02 PM
Jan 2020

Would be worthwhile if we could hear from others here. Seems little interest so far.

ancianita

(36,043 posts)
22. It's not inherently interesting. It's future projection. Could turn out to be other worse things.
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 09:15 PM
Jan 2020

None of what's happening is interesting. What this country's going through is a totally negative range of reality.

Unless it's just us Democrats inability to see a larger reality in the future. Or it's just me.

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