****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/22/20 THREAD 3****

[BumRushDaShow]

Thread 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212897293
Thread 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212897834

[BumRushDaShow]

1. ***CURRENTLY ON A 30 MINUTE DINNER BREAK - DUE TO RETURN 7:05 PM ET***

[monmouth4]

2. Thank you so much BRDS for these threads. I can't listen or watch this, my BP is sketchy as it is

but you have done an awesome job on these threads. Thank you again.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

5. Thanks for day 2 threads ...

I would have missed the first hour if not for your 1st thread -- confused myself over my time zone.

[MFGsunny]

3. Tons of appreciation for all your hard work. Much obliged again! n//t

[Hermit-The-Prog]

4. local PBS broadcast replaying Adam Schiff during break

[Hermit-The-Prog]

6. ugh! now showing Graham presser recorded earlier

[BumRushDaShow]

7. As a note - the one who hasn't presented today yet is Zoe Lofgren (D-CA)

and it will be interesting to see her take - perhaps the history of the process.

[BumRushDaShow]

8. ***RESUMING***

[malaise]

11. Watching Schiff

This is a very disciplined man

[Hermit-The-Prog]

9. Adam Schiff back on live

[BumRushDaShow]

10. Schiff has indicated they will go for another approx 2 - 2 1/2 hours and will be done.

Schiff is now continuing with the timeline.

[Iliyah]

12. In a real trial missing jurors are dismissed and can not vote . . .

If not the in chambers during discovery, introduction of evidence and argument, they have forfeited their rights as jurors.

[BumRushDaShow]

13. Schiff going through all the globe-trotting and meetings overseas

[woodsprite]

15. Hope he includes Pompeo's latest announced today.

You know, to make sure nothing bad gets released from Ukraine.

[BumRushDaShow]

14. I like how Schiff does the "story telling" expression-filled narrative

(I can imagine him reading books to his kids like that when they were little )

[underpants]

16. It seems to me that they are directing/coaxing Giuliani to testify.

Today has been all about the Rudy. Given Rudy's want for attention he's likely to take the bait. Given his completely being out of control it could be a goldmine.

[BumRushDaShow]

17. I would rather that Ghoul be indicted alongside of Parnas

(I understand that he was already under investigation - would be interesting if a grand jury ever gets empaneled for that if it isn't already)

[Mersky]

18. And is insane that Amb Volker and others are taking cues

From the pResident’s personal attorney/operative.

[BumRushDaShow]

19. Schiff is carefully stepping through the timeline of the quid pro quo "deliverable"

including all the texts between the state department folks and Ghouliani.

[BumRushDaShow]

20. Schiff reiterating how the hold on the money was illegal

[BumRushDaShow]

21. Uh oh... Schiff is pounding the table!!!

[Grown2Hate]

22. It's depressing how good he is, and how solid the case is, because you know it's 100% WASTED on the

Republicans. Makes me sick.

[BumRushDaShow]

23. Schiff invoked the history of the U.S. requesting that Ukraine give up their nukes

to reduce nuclear proliferation and in exchange we would ensure their border integrity (which includes the aid that we continue to give them today). And now we went back on our word and Russia invaded and took over Crimea.

[Pachamama]

30. This.....

Broken promises and leaving an ally vulnerable

[Hermit-The-Prog]

24. PBS interrupted Schiff mid-sentence for their "News" Hour logo and ...

J u d y W o o d r u f f p o n d e r o u s l y p r o c l a i m i n g w e w i l l t a k e y o u l i v e t o t h e S e n a t e f l o o r

Should've been trying to stream it. Missed about 2 minutes for that ego trip.

[BumRushDaShow]

25. Schiff getting his 2nd wind during prime time (ET)

Talking about the environment around Ukraine that could be nothing but being under "pressure" to do our bidding.

[ancianita]

27. Schiff is killin' it! I can't even say why, except he's got the It factor. & morality. & brilliance

[gademocrat7]

28. Schiff is an excellent prosecutor.

[dem4decades]

26. I'd forgotten about deal we made with Ukraine over nukes.

We suck, our word is shit.

[BumRushDaShow]

29. Me too...

Just those couple sentences that he dropped out there, cleared up so much about "why" our funding for Ukraine was a "U.S. interest".

[MFGsunny]

45. This! n/t

[nolabear]

31. A huge part of the problem now! Honor is for suckers.

I can’t believe the GOP is protecting this beast.

[bdamomma]

35. We will never be

Trusted again unless we the people vote like our lives depend it. We have been smeared. Putin must love this.

[dem4decades]

43. Ukraine and Iran both had broken deals. No one will be a sucker again

[better]

99. So, if memory serves, did North Korea. (eom)

[Satch59]

32. This riveting!

Schiff is going day by day and placing key slides/videos in. There is no way anyone watching this can dispute the core of these charges... unless you’re GOP cowards sitting there...

Man oh man...Schiff is just brilliant!!

[bdamomma]

33. I really like

How they showing this evidence all over again there it is. Schiff is so good. and he is presenting his case so well. I wish more people are tuned in our democracy is in peril

[Botany]

34. Schiff is dropping the hammer

Sadly but for now the senate gop will still walk lockstep with Moscow Mitch but history
is going to be a merciless judge to these traitor supporters.

Simple choice are you gonna be pro Trump or pro America? You can't be both.

From wiki

Schiff was born in Framingham, Massachusetts, the son of Edward and Sherrill Ann (Glovsky) Schiff.[1] He was raised in a Jewish family, and moved to Danville, California, during high school.[2] He graduated from Monte Vista High School in 1978[3] and received a Bachelor of Arts in political science from Stanford University in 1982 and a Juris Doctor from Harvard Law School in 1985.[4]

After law school, Schiff served as a law clerk for Judge William Matthew Byrne Jr. of the United States District Court for the Central District of California.[5] From 1987 to 1993, he was an Assistant United States Attorney in the Office of the United States Attorney for the Central District of California.[6] While in this position, Schiff came to public attention when he prosecuted the case against Richard Miller, a former FBI agent who was convicted of spying for the Soviet Union.[7] The first trial resulted in a hung jury; the second trial resulted in a conviction that was overturned on appeal.[8] Miller was convicted in a third trial.

[elleng]

36. 'Would you like to see that written record?'

[Totally Tunsie]

37. Schiff knocks it out of the park again!

Thank heavens he's on our side.

[BumRushDaShow]

38. I love when any of them play that Mulvaney clip

[crickets]

42. It's so damning. There it is - "we do this all the time in foreign policy"

It just blows the mind that they got so cocky about it that Mulvaney would say it out loud.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

39. Putin used Trump to try to find a price for Zelensky

Dumbass Donnie kept the pressure on long enough for Putin to discover if there is a price that can lead to corrupting Ukraine.

[BumRushDaShow]

40. Last statement from Schiff - "He got caught and the coverup ensued"

[BumRushDaShow]

41. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) is now up to do her portion

[asiliveandbreathe]

46. As Zoe comments.."this is a lot of information" - imagine when ALL the information

is aired..the Democratic Managers have done ALL this with what limited information they have been given..I will harken back to Rick Wilson's description of this admin."is like a fecal iceberg"...melting - melting...

[BumRushDaShow]

48. And the thing about how they are handling this

Each speaker has been walking through the entire event chronologically - so we are now nearing the current timeframe (this past fall).

[asiliveandbreathe]

50. Indeed..BTW - BRDS is awesome...thank you

[crickets]

44. Adam Schiff is incredible.

None of this was new information, but still it's riveting listening to him lay it all out.

[BumRushDaShow]

47. Lofgren has been going through the last part of the timeline

and noted that Bolton left.

[hlthe2b]

49. Anyone know how long they go on tonight (my 3AM wake-up is catching up to me)

[elleng]

51. Ending 'soon,' Schiff said earlier, abt 7:20, here's about 2 hours,

and that's all for tonight.

[hlthe2b]

53. thanks!

[crickets]

52. Zoe Lofgren: "I'll just say that a coverup is not

a proper reason to classify a document." Boom, there it is.

[BumRushDaShow]

54. Lofgren has concluded her remarks and Schiff is up - noting they have about 20 minutes left

[BumRushDaShow]

55. Schiff is now going to lay out the case of the ongoing "coverup".

[BumRushDaShow]

56. Schiff is playing the series of clips of Drumpf asking other countries to investigate Biden

[crickets]

57. It's telling that the WH wanted DOJ to assess whether it was legal

to withhold the whistleblower's complaint. The answer is obvious: no. The answer they were going to get from Barr was also obvious. Barr would be willing to claim whatever Trump wanted him to.

[BumRushDaShow]

58. Schiff waving printouts "If I could read under the redactions, this might be 'a very perfect email'"

[crickets]

61. +1

[ancianita]

59. Schiff is riveting. He makes it feel as ghastly as not being able to turn away from a train wreck.

I've heard it in variations, but Schiff's version shows the relentless, vulgar banality and casual cruelty as "policy." A whole new way of seeing chronic corruption.

How any of the Republican senators can remain unmoved, I can't understand.

All he can do is appeal to their highest morality. "Do you want to know the whole truth, now? Do you want to know how broad this scheme was? " Only eventually? Or now? It is within your power to do so. Because the public has a right to know."

Schiff is the embodiment of politics as an art.

[BlueIdaho]

69. He needs to appeal to their FEAR.

Fear they will be flushed out of their cushy jobs right on to their fat asses. They sold their morality the minute the registered as Republicans.

[ancianita]

87. I hope they felt fear, more for themselves and their own legacy than for Trump and his banal

selfish power over them.

You've nailed it. They have to face their fear and still do the right thing for the country.

[BumRushDaShow]

60. Schiff re: treatment of Yovanovich - "They wanted to destroy her"

[ancianita]

63. His intensity was breathtaking.

[Mersky]

64. "This plot begins with getting her out of the way"

Schiff said as he emphasized that giuliani began the smear campaign against Yovanovitch in March of 2019.

[bdamomma]

78. They did too

Because she's a intelligent woman. Just like Blasey-Ford

[phleshdef]

62. Schiff is god damn amazing.

[BumRushDaShow]

65. Schiff: "There's a new party in town - 'The 3 Amigos'"

[My Pet Orangutan]

103. Make that 4 Amigos !

[ecstatic]

66. Wow... so does anyone think that some GOP members already plan to convict but don't

want to hear from witnesses because they're not interested in sending any other republicans to jail? I find it interesting that Schiff said they should want to know how far the corruption goes.

[ancianita]

67. I'm afraid to think it, I want it so badly.

[BumRushDaShow]

85. There's a problem when you have dirty money mixed in with the Super Pacs

that funded all of these GOP elected officials and thus the problem with them bucking (biting) the hand that fed them.

[BumRushDaShow]

68. Schiff went there - "Zelensky loves your ass"

[dweller]

71. on the record

👍🏻


✌🏼

[BumRushDaShow]

70. Schiff updating the schedule - tomorrow going into Article I discussion

[BumRushDaShow]

72. Schiff's closing statement was to give kudos to those who had the courage to come forward.

[ancianita]

82. It choked me up.

[BumRushDaShow]

73. Roberts - a single classified document will NOT be entered into the record but will be available

for people to peruse.

[Mersky]

91. This is a supplement provided by Jennifer Williams

The assistant to VP Pants.

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Analysis coming from MSNBC panel (Maddow, Hayes, McCaskill, Wiley, and Rosenberg) is that the content may have been improperly classified. McCaskill explained that if a senator believes a document has been falsely classified to, say, coverup a crime, then they can choose to discuss that publicly. This would place the burden upon the classifying agency to defend the classification status of the document.

[BumRushDaShow]

96. Yes I have Rachel on and heard when she gave some detail about what it was

(am watching Schumer on there right now )

[Mersky]

97. You are superb at this. Thank you for being in here again today.

(The Schumer interview was illuminating as well).

Thanks again

[BumRushDaShow]

98. You are welcome and thank you for filling in stuff that I missed

(am on MIRT so was going back and forth dealing with that and this )

[BumRushDaShow]

74. Turtle is honoring the Senate Pages - and noting tomorrow is the last day of their term.

Schumer added his congratulations.

[crickets]

75. Schiff's closing comments on courage should be quoted

and replayed again and again. Powerful stuff.

[BumRushDaShow]

76. Turtle - wants January 28th, if still acting as a trial - to have regular business

(receive House messages, legislation, etc)

[crickets]

80. Hilarious, as if McConnell would allow any legislation to be addressed. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

86. It's more to "receive" that legislation from the House

(the "messages from the House" ) but we all know he'll then just shove it in his circular file.

[crickets]

90. Point taken, and that circular file must be bursting at the seams. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

94. Well over 400 pieces of legislation passed by the House

It's obvious that Turtle wants it all to sit untouched, through the rest of this calendar year and EXPIRE at the end of this Congress' term, which it will if not considered by December 31, 2020.

[BumRushDaShow]

77. ***NOW ADJOURNED UNTIL TOMORROW AT 1 PM ET***

[crickets]

81. Thanks for the discussion threads, BumRushDaShow!

Wonderful as always and greatly appreciated.

[BumRushDaShow]

88. And thank you and everyone else for keeping the thread going

with comments and the "play by play" of what is going on!

[dweller]

79. polite applause all around ...

😑

✌🏼

[ancianita]

84. +1000

[elleng]

83. Good to hear Claire McCaskill on technicalities.

[crickets]

89. The conversation about classified documents

and how Senators might weigh whether to disclose information they feel is incorrectly classified was fascinating.

[elleng]

92. Yes.

Just saw this: 'Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO) violated Senate rules and left the impeachment trial to go be on Fox News with Tucker Carlson.'

https://www.politicususa.com/2020/01/22/josh-hawley-impeachment-trial.html?

[Hermit-The-Prog]

102. All of them who do this should be named.

[ecstatic]

93. I hope that an old, rich senator spills the beans. nt

[Mersky]

95. Indeed, it was fascinating

I’m just gonna copy and paste my rundown of that from my comment #91, as I’m too dang tired and would like to cite the conversation:

Analysis coming from MSNBC panel (Maddow, Hayes, McCaskill, Wiley, and Rosenberg) is that the content may have been improperly classified. McCaskill explained that if a senator believes a document has been falsely classified to, say, coverup a crime, then they can choose to discuss that publicly. This would place the burden upon the classifying agency to defend the classification status of the document.

[Mc Mike]

104. I loved Ms. Wiley's observation that twitler declassifies anything he wants to, anytime, if he

thinks it will benefit him to do so.

[dem4decades]

100. Rosenberg didn't see it the same way. Huge risk for a Senator.

[crickets]

101. True. That was partly why the discussion was so interesting.

Rosenberg has not served as Senator and McCaskill has, so the fact that she was much more open to the notion was unexpected. He did make good points about the dangers, but her thoughts were that it would be a case of obvious attempts at a cover-up which might warrant stepping out of line.