****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/23/20 THREAD 1****

[BumRushDaShow]

[BumRushDaShow]

1. ***STARTING*** Adding streams - the Benediction has begun

[Hermit-The-Prog]

8. Thanks!

[MFGsunny]

20. BRDS, you totally rock! Abundant thanks and blessings to YOU! n/t

[crickets]

33. Thank you, BumRushDaShow!

[Karma13612]

2. Why is there a benediction?

I like some of the sentiment, but not the religious involvement.

[BumRushDaShow]

4. They have traditionally done that since the Senate was created.

[Karma13612]

13. Helpful to know. Thank you.

So much for separation of church and state.

[hlthe2b]

17. Like on your money (currency)... some of those battles were lost long ago

[Backseat Driver]

87. I now take these religious traditions to mean whatever or whoever one's personal God(s) may be. n/t

or none at all save that "self,", in support of human inclusiveness.

[BumRushDaShow]

23. It's part of why

you see the RW keep pushing the boundaries and then pointing to stuff like that.

Like the "holy books" of many religions, the Constitution has a whole pile of inconsistencies too. Many of us said the same "so much for 'all (men) are created equal'" (when men of color weren't included, let alone were women even considered).

[ancianita]

38. This is bogus and I protest it. This trial should always reflect separation of church and state.

[BumRushDaShow]

3. Finished pledge of allegiance - now gavelling in

[BumRushDaShow]

5. Adam Schiff is speaking

[BumRushDaShow]

6. MSNBC had broken in to say that it was announced that Jim Lehrer has died

(I forgot I had the TV on MSNBC - I just changed back to CSPAN2)

[Karma13612]

16. Same here! Exactly my moves as well! Nt

[BumRushDaShow]

7. Schiff is reiterating what the schedule is - and he is now handing off to Jerry Nadler

[Kali]

12. Article 1 today and tomorrow

Article 2 tomorrow, then dipshit's defense, then the trial starts with witnesses and documents IF THEY LET IT

[Hermit-The-Prog]

9. local broadcasters covering this: ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS

[ancianita]

39. The sunshine patriot media.

[irisblue]

10. Schiff mentions holding attention of the Senators

Paraphrased-- hours or a few minnutes.

Go Adam, call those wandering around fools to attention.
#PointMade

[Hermit-The-Prog]

11. He did that? I just tuned in as Nadler began.

[irisblue]

14. Subtle, but clear

[Mersky]

15. I hope he got their attention

When he said that the rules call for imprisonment.

Eta: I believe he said this with a smile. Was just sitting down to watch and wanted to note the word. See Irisblue’s comment for further context.

[crickets]

31. Agreed! Glad he said something. nt

[irisblue]

18. Here---stay in your seats, paraphrased

Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) Tweeted:
Rep. Schiff opens with a joke about how Chief Justice Roberts might not appreciate how rare it is for Congress members to pay attention and sit silently.

Then he notes that each day begins with the Sergeant at Arms announcing they must do so on pain of imprisonment.

Link to tweet

?s=20

[Mersky]

24. Thank you,

I was just settling-in to watch, and wanted to note the word. I’ll edit my comment, so it isn’t so stark.

[irisblue]

36. There was ALOT of twitter comment about wandering Senators

Both the # & that it was mostly GOP.

Since I don't have cable, I don't know about the after hearing shows.

[Mersky]

54. Yeah, I saw some of that

Appreciated Schiff (and you) reminding all that the Seargent at Arms does that for some reason beyond the ceremony.

[Mersky]

19. Ha. Showed a slide of turley

Saying that the use of military aid for political gain, if proven, would be an impeachable offense.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

21. Trump hits all 3 on impeachment: Abuse, Betrayal, Corruption

[Kali]

22. A B C

Abuse
Betrayal
Corruption

[malaise]

25. Go Jerry!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

26. He's breathing fire at 'em!

[BumRushDaShow]

27. Oh no - a Powerpoint faux pas

"1972" instead of 1792

(the staff is for sure more exhausted than I am!!! )

[Mersky]

42. Good catch. Here's the language from Hamilton's letter.

“When a man unprincipled in private life[,] desperate in his fortune, bold in his temper . . . despotic in his ordinary demeanour — known to have scoffed in private at the principles of liberty — when such a man is seen to mount the hobby horse of popularity — to join in the cry of danger to liberty — to take every opportunity of embarrassing the General Government & bringing it under suspicion — to flatter and fall in with all the non sense of the zealots of the day — It may justly be suspected that his object is to throw things into confusion that he may ‘ride the storm and direct the whirlwind.’ ”

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Pulled the language from a WaPo piece written by Ron Chernow - the historian who spoke at the WH correspondent’s dinner last year. And, who consulted on the production of the Hamilton musical.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/10/18/hamilton-pushed-impeachment-powers-trump-is-what-he-had-mind/

[BumRushDaShow]

44. The footer for the powerpoint was correctly but the header had the wrong date.

Plus Nadler read something that said "1376" instead of "1776" (and I use closed-caption on my TV so I can turn the sound down or mute and still get a gist of what is being said and the "1376" was captioned as well).

[Mersky]

66. That in the title was nbd.

Is a famous quote, and highly relevant.

Same goes for the 1336 stuff - am gonna have to turn on CC at times.



Eta: lol, I meant 1376. Oops

[BumRushDaShow]

70. Normally true

but in a world of twitter frenzy, let's hope it doesn't inspire memes.

[Mersky]

73. Sigh, yes, duly noted

Am gonna try not to feed into such.

[BumRushDaShow]

75. ...

[Wednesdays]

47. It's the kind of thing

that prompts the Repugs to call for the entire presentation to be thrown out.

Example: Murkowski's hissy fit over a few of Nadler's comments overshadows everything else he stated.

[BumRushDaShow]

56. Yup.

ALTHOUGH with anything that is presented "for the record" in any of these chambers, they usually include a provision to allow members to "revise and extend their remarks" up to some "x" number of days after the session has concluded. So I would expect that will happen here.

[ancianita]

82. Quite an impartial posture, to determine the worth of the whole based on a part.

[Iliyah]

28. A B C . . .

Ya think Republican senators can comprehend that?

[Hermit-The-Prog]

29. Nadler is hammering the GOPers with history ...

Every talking point they've spewed on Fox is being flattened by Nadler's history hammer.

[BumRushDaShow]

30. Nadler is going through details about previous impeachment articles

regarding what was considered "Abuse of Power".

[crickets]

32. "A president who puts himself above country has acted faithlessly."

Nadler notes the direct contradiction with the oath of office and segues right into discussion of treason and bribery. Ouch.

[BumRushDaShow]

34. BWAH!!! Nadler playing the 1998 Dershowitz clip regarding not needing a "crime"

for impeachment!!

[Kali]

35. !!!

[BumRushDaShow]

37. Nadler now showing the statement from Barr regarding how the use of "impeachment"

is what should be used for abuse of power since a President "can't be indicted".

[crickets]

40. I love it when they throw the opposition's own words back at them to make a point. nt

[Hermit-The-Prog]

41. He nailed Turley, Dersh, Barr!

[BumRushDaShow]

43. Yup!

[BumRushDaShow]

45. Nadler played a clip from our favorite Constitutional expert and firebrand - Pamela Karlan

[gademocrat7]

46. Rep. Jerry Nadler's delivery is compelling.

[C_U_L8R]

48. Suck on that, Lindsay.

[HAB911]

49. SNAP!

[crickets]

53. Boom. Makes him look and sound like a complete ass now. nt

[Wednesdays]

50. Showed a 1999 clip of Leningrad Lindsay

saying that there doesn't have to be a crime to impeach.

[Karma13612]

51. And Nadler just burned Lindsey Graham! Love it!

Lets go to the videotape!

Haha

[Hermit-The-Prog]

52. Nadler's History Hammer came down upon his head. :)

[napi21]

63. Gotta love that one! I wish thee cameras could have gotten a shot of Graham at that moment. nt

[awesomerwb1]

55. Is Lindsay in the room?

Just curious.

[DonaldsRump]

85. Another thread indicated Leningrad Lindsey was the only senator not in the room!

[DeminPennswoods]

57. If nothing else, at least Americans are getting a

refresher class on Civics and American history.

[BumRushDaShow]

58. Nadler now summarizing what constitutes "impeachment" as part of his conclusionary remarks

[crickets]

67. Points out impeachment is not punishment for crimes but

a means to address political abuses.

[napi21]

59. Pardon power are unlimited, Unless they are used to coverup the Presidents own crimes. If they are

uaed in such a manner, the President can be impeached! I never knew that! Maybe the reason Nixon & Bush didn't pardon some of those I thought they should have.

[Mc Mike]

95. I've also heard several times from Randi Rhodes that there is a fraud crime exemption from claims of

executive privilege.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

60. No! Nadler says he's concluding. I'm not ready for that.

I'm enjoying Nadler's History Hammer. (Needs some musical person to do a 'cover' of Maxwell's Silver Hammer with Nadler's history lesson for GOPers).

[crickets]

71. Nadler was really impressive today.

All of the House managers have been doing a fantastic job.

[BumRushDaShow]

61. Back to the "A-B-C".

[BumRushDaShow]

62. Nadler is done. Now Sylvia Garcia (D-TX) is up - will walk through President's Abuse of Power

[Hermit-The-Prog]

65. She says there are "hand-outs" so Senators can follow along.

[Iliyah]

64. The Democratic House Managers are prepared . . .

Will the Republican House Managers be prepared? Oh wait, didn't McTurtle don't want them speak. Alternative - Bondi, Cipollone, Sekulow, Starr, Ray, Purpura, Rasklin, Herschmann, Dershowitz - all of which are bat shit crazy.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

69. Dems prepped for real trial -- history and precedent

[ancianita]

83. And morally, ethically suspect.

[H2O Man]

68. Recommended.

I'm liking this day's hearing. And I truly enjoy reading these threads.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

72. OT: Bring Me a Little Water

[H2O Man]

74. Nice!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

77. We're in hard times and heavy load. We need a little water to keep on.

[H2O Man]

79. Yesterday I posted

an small piece on carrying heavy loads .....

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212896729

[Hermit-The-Prog]

81. Thanks for the link! I missed that.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

76. Garcia is dissecting it. ...

"She later received her Doctor of Jurisprudence degree from Texas Southern University Thurgood Marshall School of Law."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Garcia

[BumRushDaShow]

78. Garcia has been giving a good detailed account of the Ukraine prosecutors

and the issues that this current administration have manufactured in order to justify smearing a political opponent.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

80. Expect WH lawyers to ignore every point...

Perhaps a few Senators will take notice of these details and at least ask for witnesses and documents.

[BumRushDaShow]

84. Of course.

If anything, i consider all of this for the historical record. Because of the circumstances that they had to work with, they had to find a way to create their own precedent for presenting a case for impeachment, that would utilize the format of previous precedent, but that was adapted to the fact that there was no grand jury available to help with supplemental evidence in the face of the defending President's refusal to provide anything. Plus nowadays, you have all of these "new media", with video and audio clips, as well as texts and emails, that will somehow be transcribed, and included in the record.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

94. Should be clear to public -- Dem facts vs Rep theatrical outrage

[BumRushDaShow]

86. Garcia is now going over the CT that Ukraine purportedly was involved in interfering in the election

[Miles Archer]

88. Via Twitter:

Joe Lockhart
@joelockhart

Rep. Garcia is doing important ground work on Biden here. The foundation of the President's defense is he was doing his job and investigating corruption was an important part of it. She is destroying this defense here. Time well spent

2:35 PM · Jan 23, 2020·Twitter Web App

Link to tweet

[Hermit-The-Prog]

89. Note she is using Republican sources to refute the conspiracy theory.

Senate Intelligence Committee, the U.S. Intelligence community (lots of Republicans and under Republican administration, Robert Mueller's report

[BumRushDaShow]

90. From Garcia's ABC news clip of a Drumpf advisor - "Ways to impeach oneself - hire Rudolf Ghouliani!"

[Hermit-The-Prog]

91. that was beautiful!

[gademocrat7]

92. Great strategy

[BumRushDaShow]

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