Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:06 AM

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* Impeachment Live Thread 1 - 1/25 *

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***** Impeachment Live Thread 1 - 1/25 ***** (Original post)	Mersky	Jan 2020	OP
Benediction and pledge have occurred	Mersky	Jan 2020	#1
Cippy is up and not acting like WH Counsel	Mersky	Jan 2020	#2
Thank you for starting this	BumRushDaShow	Jan 2020	#3
Eh, I want them to know people are watching this farce of a defense	Mersky	Jan 2020	#8
Had a few more hours of rest but still haven't caught up yet.	BumRushDaShow	Jan 2020	#30
Was super excited to see you in here. Is much appreciated.	Mersky	Jan 2020	#168
Glad to see you guys too!	BumRushDaShow	Jan 2020	#171
Thanks for the thread and stream links!	Hermit-The-Prog	Jan 2020	#170
Yeah, it was awful.	Mersky	Jan 2020	#173
Thank you for doing this today! nt	chowder66	Jan 2020	#177
Ditto... I am having trouble even thinking about watching... I'll read the threads for awhile	hlthe2b	Jan 2020	#17
I was gonna have the volume down low and read the cc	BumRushDaShow	Jan 2020	#32
Aww thank you, Mersky! This will be tough day.	ancianita	Jan 2020	#4
They will be OBNOXIOUS, but their lies and bs shall be revealed	Mersky	Jan 2020	#22
Talk about "boring" Cipollone is a real fire cracker isn't he?	underpants	Jan 2020	#5
He has to talk real slow to try to have them all reach 2 hours.	BumRushDaShow	Jan 2020	#7
I know you were joking but it sounds like you're right	underpants	Jan 2020	#51
Poop-pura is doing the same thing	BumRushDaShow	Jan 2020	#55
Purpura	Backseat Driver	Jan 2020	#82
LOL	BumRushDaShow	Jan 2020	#93
Oh, that's where I've heard that name before	Mersky	Jan 2020	#174
That's who I meant	underpants	Jan 2020	#84
That was filler material	BumRushDaShow	Jan 2020	#95
I just made this	underpants	Jan 2020	#145
DUzy!	BumRushDaShow	Jan 2020	#155
I hope you've spread that around. People need laughs!	Hermit-The-Prog	Jan 2020	#176
WTF is he talking about "burden sharing"?	BumRushDaShow	Jan 2020	#6
I can't remember who it was, but	avebury	Jan 2020	#37
Exactly (someone posted that in this thread)	BumRushDaShow	Jan 2020	#52
Here you go	underpants	Jan 2020	#102
That the EU as well as the US helps Ukraine	karynnj	Jan 2020	#112
Cippy wants to frame this as an ALT-evidence defense AND how dangerous the House is	ancianita	Jan 2020	#9
Guess what, he's wrong	underpants	Jan 2020	#20
The only way to smash this drumbeat claim for the next 10 months is make it part of elevator pitch	ancianita	Jan 2020	#34
So now he is going to use the time to insult our allies?	BumRushDaShow	Jan 2020	#10
Par for the course. Trump does it all the time.	Arkansas Granny	Jan 2020	#15
...	BumRushDaShow	Jan 2020	#23
LOL...	Zoonart	Jan 2020	#33
full of shit	Kali	Jan 2020	#11
they got nuthin ...	dweller	Jan 2020	#12
But. We had better listen to it in order to disprove it.	ancianita	Jan 2020	#13
Agreed totally! Will try to listen on the radio and contribute what I can n/t	DonaldsRump	Jan 2020	#114
The radio's a great way to filter out histrionics, but it also deprives one of body/facial language.	ancianita	Jan 2020	#117
Oddly I feel I get a better sense of the truth listening to the radio.	Arthur_Frain	Jan 2020	#156
I hear you. Listening focuses the senses and thinking.	ancianita	Jan 2020	#160
Stunning indeed	malaise	Jan 2020	#18
I'm glad someone is watching just not me.	dem4decades	Jan 2020	#14
I wouldn't miss it.	Arkansas Granny	Jan 2020	#19
You have a much longer fuse than i.	dem4decades	Jan 2020	#29
I'm just curious to find out just what it takes to buy the soul of a Republican Senator	Arkansas Granny	Jan 2020	#41
Not much.	dem4decades	Jan 2020	#47
Except this and a lot of dark and foreign money.	ancianita	Jan 2020	#69
In all fairness...	MontanaMama	Jan 2020	#66
Lol	Arkansas Granny	Jan 2020	#78
And they certainly don't want to hear that they're cowering cowards either.	dem4decades	Jan 2020	#79
But it's not easy.	Mike 03	Jan 2020	#26
Surprise! WRONG. $16.4 BILLION from Europe to Ukraine since 2014	underpants	Jan 2020	#16
+1	Arkansas Granny	Jan 2020	#21
The President's side was not locked out you lying sleazeball	malaise	Jan 2020	#24
This is hard to take.	Mike 03	Jan 2020	#28
IT is Dems who are trying to steal the election	malaise	Jan 2020	#31
Cip is doubling down on a blatant lie.	oasis	Jan 2020	#39
"They repeat over and over again..." as he says burden sharing	live love laugh	Jan 2020	#25
Now it's 21 hours. I lost count how many times this guy's said it.	underpants	Jan 2020	#56
Yeah I heard that shift to 21 hours too. nt	live love laugh	Jan 2020	#67
Ask yourself, Why haven't I heard this before?	underpants	Jan 2020	#27
They blocked evidence then claim Democrats don't have it	liberal N proud	Jan 2020	#35
+1, the judicial system is lacking on this issue. It shouldn't take 123432 years to get a ruling ...	uponit7771	Jan 2020	#48
Legal gaslighting is what it's called.	ancianita	Jan 2020	#81
Tre rebuttal time that is "see article 2 re Obstruction "	NotASurfer	Jan 2020	#129
"Essence..."	superpatriotman	Jan 2020	#36
Let the Lies Begin....	spanone	Jan 2020	#38
what a moron	Kali	Jan 2020	#40
lol ... they gonna show Wonderful World Of Gumball next ?! Cause we can't tell that's a cartoon 🙄🙄	uponit7771	Jan 2020	#42
Oh no, they are dredging up Adam Schiff's satirical interpretation of the	Mike 03	Jan 2020	#43
Poop-pura played Schiff's clip about the mob shakedown	BumRushDaShow	Jan 2020	#44
I wish Dems had driven this point home. nt	live love laugh	Jan 2020	#63
I watched the Democrats' presentation gavel to gavel	BumRushDaShow	Jan 2020	#88
Agree. I watched that, too.	ancianita	Jan 2020	#103
I'm talking about the language itself	live love laugh	Jan 2020	#118
The full breadth and scope of this argument will be behind the next 10 months of Republican message	ancianita	Jan 2020	#45
The first two speakers have spoken of the REAL TRANSCRIPT -- but they NEVER gave us a transcript	karynnj	Jan 2020	#46
I don't think they have the real one either	BumRushDaShow	Jan 2020	#62
If they have a tape, they do - they seem to prefer having their version CALLED a transcript	karynnj	Jan 2020	#100
From what I understand	BumRushDaShow	Jan 2020	#126
I was under the impression the calls are NOT recorded,	DeminPennswoods	Jan 2020	#161
They have both the secret server and original transcript in Russian control.	ancianita	Jan 2020	#115
They are accusing Dems of election interference...	Satch59	Jan 2020	#49
So it's all about "TRANSCRIPT TRANSCRIPT TRANSCRIPT", which is a COMPLETE lie,	bullwinkle428	Jan 2020	#50
"Burden sharing"	underpants	Jan 2020	#64
If anyone is using that phrase as part of a drinking game, I hope the ambulance is	bullwinkle428	Jan 2020	#70
If the Trumpsters are hearing "bourbon sharing"	underpants	Jan 2020	#106
pupura cut himself off with the start of playing the first clip of Schiff.	Mersky	Jan 2020	#53
"might as well tear up the ballots"	IggleDuer	Jan 2020	#54
'A Basement Bunker' another lyin' MF	spanone	Jan 2020	#57
The transcript was not released either	malaise	Jan 2020	#59
Schiff prebutted these two points yesterday. And here they are ANYWAY.	ancianita	Jan 2020	#86
Facts are stubborn things	malaise	Jan 2020	#91
I hear you. They've got alt-science and alt-reality and are ready to go all in on the 17th Century.	ancianita	Jan 2020	#96
So is ignorance - they own that	malaise	Jan 2020	#101
They disagree.They own "alt-intelligence."Our labels for them roll off authoritarian followers' back	ancianita	Jan 2020	#107
What is their preoccupation with basements?	Arkansas Granny	Jan 2020	#119
This is a TERRIBLE legal argument but how many people will	Mike 03	Jan 2020	#58
This is a glossy (they think) presentation heard on Fox News	underpants	Jan 2020	#73
Saturday is the least television-watching day of the week.	BumRushDaShow	Jan 2020	#76
It'll take 1,000s of lawyers' joint deposition to disprove this to millions of this "ALT" mentality	ancianita	Jan 2020	#113
It only took	snowybirdie	Jan 2020	#60
+1, they aren't even trying ... f ck it ... they might as well read all of Trumps tweets that would	uponit7771	Jan 2020	#65
They're getting paid by the hour	C_U_L8R	Jan 2020	#72
ah ... got it	uponit7771	Jan 2020	#92
Yeah. A check from Trump.	underpants	Jan 2020	#136
So this is a bunch of Trump talking points that they add details to?! Might as well showed Gumball !	uponit7771	Jan 2020	#61
So he's repeating what Cipollone said 20 minutes ago?	underpants	Jan 2020	#68
They only taking 2 - 3 hours, what is Monday going to look like ?!	uponit7771	Jan 2020	#94
Whoa. Is some lying crap: tRump didn't do an unprecedented thing declassifying the call	Mersky	Jan 2020	#71
Nancy let him think releasing it would end the whole thing.	underpants	Jan 2020	#80
Lol. I'd forgotten that	Mersky	Jan 2020	#99
The press has killed that part of the timeline too	underpants	Jan 2020	#111
True. And, lol.	Mersky	Jan 2020	#169
OBAMA. Only took 33 minutes.	underpants	Jan 2020	#74
We should have had a betting pool on	MontanaMama	Jan 2020	#85
Got to keep the Fox News crowd happy	underpants	Jan 2020	#90
So they are going to insist that the transcript deals with corruption even though corruption was	Arkansas Granny	Jan 2020	#75
Fitting that their graphics are in yellow.	5X	Jan 2020	#77
He's reading Adam Schiff's closing summation!	robbob	Jan 2020	#83
What a bunch of BS - trying to claim that the conversation of 7/25 w/ Zelensky about	Pachamama	Jan 2020	#87
The Javelins are still in storage	underpants	Jan 2020	#97
They are still ignoring the "Do us a favor though..."	BumRushDaShow	Jan 2020	#104
Call your senators and tell them you know how false/insulting the republican defense is this morning	Mersky	Jan 2020	#89
what do the body language readers say about all that tongue thrusting?	Kali	Jan 2020	#98
Used crushed ritalin like sugar in his morning coffee?	Mersky	Jan 2020	#109
bet the boss is tripping too	Kali	Jan 2020	#125
Just had to check on that	Mersky	Jan 2020	#148
BWAHAHAHA!!!	Kali	Jan 2020	#165
Oh hey, that's rough.	Mersky	Jan 2020	#172
I'll bet that all 53 assholes are there . . .	Iliyah	Jan 2020	#105
Now 53 traitorous self serving assholes are staying in their seats listening and taking notes	Pachamama	Jan 2020	#110
I'm surprised, they already have their talking points.	dem4decades	Jan 2020	#127
So do the Democrats, particularly those running for the presidency.	ancianita	Jan 2020	#163
What does that mean? The Democrats are based on fact, not so much with the Republicans.	dem4decades	Jan 2020	#166
Oops. Misunderstood your post. Sorry. Now I get it.	ancianita	Jan 2020	#167
At 5 minutes in my blood was already at the boiling point but I will listen to all of their	in2herbs	Jan 2020	#108
Okay. Hold it. They're using the "hearsay/no facts" testimonies from Schiff's hearings???	underpants	Jan 2020	#116
Of course. They're the originators of those lines.	ancianita	Jan 2020	#121
Is infuriating: Zeroing-in on Sondland as hearsay	Mersky	Jan 2020	#122
Power & deals for them, hearsay for Americans. "What you are seeing and reading is not what's happen	ancianita	Jan 2020	#138
Suckylow up.	BumRushDaShow	Jan 2020	#120
A little dab will do ya	underpants	Jan 2020	#131
Cippolone is very low energy. Bigly. And now...	JohnQFunk	Jan 2020	#123
Bottom line	Mossfern	Jan 2020	#124
Trump had a blanket order IN WRITING	underpants	Jan 2020	#128
Documents that Democrats have in hand?	ancianita	Jan 2020	#140
And but for the pResident's obstruction and an attorney general as cleaner	Mersky	Jan 2020	#130
Now trying out the election interference by Ukraine theory.	Arkansas Granny	Jan 2020	#132
He called the FBI liars and that they hid information a few minutes ago	underpants	Jan 2020	#135
According to inspector generals, not so.	ancianita	Jan 2020	#146
so unoriginal, no creativity.	Kali	Jan 2020	#133
Suckitup got lost in his own argument there	underpants	Jan 2020	#134
Who was he talking about? I heard Laura Crap, then I heard Laura Cooper a little further	Mersky	Jan 2020	#137
I had to figure out Borysenko too.	nolabear	Jan 2020	#144
listening to suckitup	dweller	Jan 2020	#139
+1, they might as well just read Trump tweets ... they make more sense and that says something	uponit7771	Jan 2020	#142
I'm having difficulty	Mossfern	Jan 2020	#141
Is the 'throw it at the wall and see what sticks' defense	Mersky	Jan 2020	#153
Okay I just got here (West Coast). WTF is Sekulow on about?	nolabear	Jan 2020	#143
It seems to have been like this	Mossfern	Jan 2020	#147
El Salvador? Lebanon? OIC. It was a BUSINESS deal!	nolabear	Jan 2020	#149
Oh we just got a Biden reference	underpants	Jan 2020	#150
Bwah!	Mersky	Jan 2020	#175
TBH, the WH lawyers are doing enough to give	DeminPennswoods	Jan 2020	#151
Sekulow is all over the place.	madaboutharry	Jan 2020	#152
"Only one President....Since 2014...has taken effective steps"	underpants	Jan 2020	#154
President Obama was president in 2014.	madaboutharry	Jan 2020	#159
He's done his completely offtopic nonsenical argument - now to Pat Philbin	BumRushDaShow	Jan 2020	#157
When do they bring on Whackadoodle Jordan	C_U_L8R	Jan 2020	#158
Hey hey hey	underpants	Jan 2020	#164
**** LIVE THREAD 2 is UP *****	Mersky	Jan 2020	#162

Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:07 AM

Mersky (4,849 posts)

1. Benediction and pledge have occurred

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:09 AM

Mersky (4,849 posts)

2. Cippy is up and not acting like WH Counsel

Complaining about the amount of time taken by the House manangers

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:09 AM

BumRushDaShow (96,296 posts)

3. Thank you for starting this

I just couldn't including because it's THEM

(at least Cippycup acknowledged that they barely had about 2 - 3 hours of a case

)

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:13 AM

Mersky (4,849 posts)

8. Eh, I want them to know people are watching this farce of a defense

In THEIR kangaroo court

Hi, BRDS! Hope you got some goooood rest!

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Response to Mersky (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:18 AM

BumRushDaShow (96,296 posts)

30. Had a few more hours of rest but still haven't caught up yet.

(still up at 4:30 am)

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #30)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 01:11 PM

Mersky (4,849 posts)

168. Was super excited to see you in here. Is much appreciated.

Take a nap! Enjoy your weekend!

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Response to Mersky (Reply #168)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 01:18 PM

BumRushDaShow (96,296 posts)

171. Glad to see you guys too!

And definitely should take a nap at some point.

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Response to Mersky (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 01:18 PM

Hermit-The-Prog (19,729 posts)

170. Thanks for the thread and stream links!

I'm debating with myself whether to watch, or just read here.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #170)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 01:24 PM

Mersky (4,849 posts)

173. Yeah, it was awful.

A downer kind of circus with half-inflated balloons and dodgy clowns.

At least that’s over til Monday.

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Response to Mersky (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 03:45 PM

chowder66 (6,815 posts)

177. Thank you for doing this today! nt

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:15 AM

hlthe2b (91,549 posts)

17. Ditto... I am having trouble even thinking about watching... I'll read the threads for awhile

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:19 AM

BumRushDaShow (96,296 posts)

32. I was gonna have the volume down low and read the cc

but wanted to confirm that all they had was talking points.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:11 AM

ancianita (26,480 posts)

4. Aww thank you, Mersky! This will be tough day.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:17 AM

Mersky (4,849 posts)

22. They will be OBNOXIOUS, but their lies and bs shall be revealed

On DU is a start to revealing their ineptitude and complicity

___
You’re so very welcome. Thanks for sharing the load - and it will be a load.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:12 AM

underpants (169,488 posts)

5. Talk about "boring" Cipollone is a real fire cracker isn't he?

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Response to underpants (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:12 AM

BumRushDaShow (96,296 posts)

7. He has to talk real slow to try to have them all reach 2 hours.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:25 AM

underpants (169,488 posts)

51. I know you were joking but it sounds like you're right

This guy is taking looooong pauses like he’s waiting for someone with the rest of report to get there.

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Response to underpants (Reply #51)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:26 AM

BumRushDaShow (96,296 posts)

55. Poop-pura is doing the same thing

they have to extend it out to fill a couple hours.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #55)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:35 AM

Backseat Driver (2,790 posts)

82. Purpura

https://www.healthline.com/health/purpura

Bad rash "Purpura, also called blood spots or skin hemorrhages, refers to purple-colored spots that are most recognizable on the skin. The spots may also appear on organs or mucous membranes, including the membranes on the inside of the mouth. Purpura occurs when small blood vessels burst, causing blood to pool under the skin.

https://www.healthline.com/health/purpura#pictures

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Response to Backseat Driver (Reply #82)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:40 AM

BumRushDaShow (96,296 posts)

93. LOL

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Response to Backseat Driver (Reply #82)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 01:41 PM

Mersky (4,849 posts)

174. Oh, that's where I've heard that name before

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #55)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:36 AM

underpants (169,488 posts)

84. That's who I meant

He has also repeated what Cipollone said.

Burden sharing. That’s their big phrase.

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Response to underpants (Reply #84)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:42 AM

BumRushDaShow (96,296 posts)

95. That was filler material

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #95)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:18 PM

underpants (169,488 posts)

145. I just made this

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Response to underpants (Reply #145)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:25 PM

BumRushDaShow (96,296 posts)

155. DUzy!

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Response to underpants (Reply #145)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 02:06 PM

Hermit-The-Prog (19,729 posts)

176. I hope you've spread that around. People need laughs!

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:12 AM

BumRushDaShow (96,296 posts)

6. WTF is he talking about "burden sharing"?

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:20 AM

avebury (10,701 posts)

37. I can't remember who it was, but

somebody on MSNBC had said that the EU has actually done far more for Ukraine than the US.

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Response to avebury (Reply #37)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:25 AM

BumRushDaShow (96,296 posts)

52. Exactly (someone posted that in this thread)

I think that statement about Germany, etc came from that call readout (that they keep calling a "transcript" ) - and it was completely uninformed.

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Response to avebury (Reply #37)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:44 AM

underpants (169,488 posts)

102. Here you go

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/13/factcheck-trump-wrong-european-aid-ukraine/4178935002/

President Donald Trump wrongly said that “Europe and other nations” were “not” contributing to Ukraine, specifically calling for Germany and France to “put up money.” In fact, the European Union and European financial institutions have contributed more than $16.4 billion in grants and loans to Ukraine since 2014.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:49 AM

karynnj (58,773 posts)

112. That the EU as well as the US helps Ukraine

They are claiming that we did more on the sanctions. In the Obama years, it WAS Obama, Biden and Kerry who fought for strong sanctions that were harder for our allies than us because they have more trade - especially fuel - from Russia.

However, Trump ignored Congress when it added sanctions on Russia in 2017 and was against them when they passed both houses of Congress. To have the chutzpah to argue that they did more on sanctions than EU is absolutely disingenuous.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:13 AM

ancianita (26,480 posts)

9. Cippy wants to frame this as an ALT-evidence defense AND how dangerous the House is

and how "dire the consequences to America forever and forever" is what the House is doing.

Get ready to unpack the ALT legal, and its ALT arguments.

First up, Germany and how it just talks and never does anything.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:16 AM

underpants (169,488 posts)

20. Guess what, he's wrong

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Response to underpants (Reply #20)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:20 AM

ancianita (26,480 posts)

34. The only way to smash this drumbeat claim for the next 10 months is make it part of elevator pitch

politics.

Thanks for the first demolishment of the bullshit. We have to keep it up.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:13 AM

BumRushDaShow (96,296 posts)

10. So now he is going to use the time to insult our allies?

COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC!!!!!!!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:15 AM

Arkansas Granny (30,486 posts)

15. Par for the course. Trump does it all the time.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:17 AM

BumRushDaShow (96,296 posts)

23. ...

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #23)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:19 AM

Zoonart (8,884 posts)

33. LOL...

Every squirrel in the bag is coming out today.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:14 AM

Kali (53,119 posts)

11. full of shit

OMG

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:14 AM

dweller (20,495 posts)

12. they got nuthin ...

it's all the Democrats fault, trying to change the results of an election, to remove fatnixon from the ballot ... blah fn blah

NO DEFENSE AT ALL !

useless 😡

✌🏼

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Response to dweller (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:14 AM

ancianita (26,480 posts)

13. But. We had better listen to it in order to disprove it.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:51 AM

DonaldsRump (6,972 posts)

114. Agreed totally! Will try to listen on the radio and contribute what I can n/t

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Response to DonaldsRump (Reply #114)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:52 AM

ancianita (26,480 posts)

117. The radio's a great way to filter out histrionics, but it also deprives one of body/facial language.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #117)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:27 PM

Arthur_Frain (891 posts)

156. Oddly I feel I get a better sense of the truth listening to the radio.

Not sure why.

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Response to Arthur_Frain (Reply #156)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:29 PM

ancianita (26,480 posts)

160. I hear you. Listening focuses the senses and thinking.

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Response to dweller (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:16 AM

malaise (244,536 posts)

18. Stunning indeed

now he's turning it over to illustrate what they didn't do

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:15 AM

dem4decades (9,285 posts)

14. I'm glad someone is watching just not me.

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:16 AM

Arkansas Granny (30,486 posts)

19. I wouldn't miss it.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #19)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:18 AM

dem4decades (9,285 posts)

29. You have a much longer fuse than i.

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #29)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:22 AM

Arkansas Granny (30,486 posts)

41. I'm just curious to find out just what it takes to buy the soul of a Republican Senator

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #41)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:23 AM

dem4decades (9,285 posts)

47. Not much.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:30 AM

ancianita (26,480 posts)

69. Except this and a lot of dark and foreign money.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #41)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:29 AM

MontanaMama (19,296 posts)

66. In all fairness...

they just don’t want their heads on a pike...

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #66)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:33 AM

Arkansas Granny (30,486 posts)

78. Lol

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:34 AM

dem4decades (9,285 posts)

79. And they certainly don't want to hear that they're cowering cowards either.

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:17 AM

Mike 03 (16,616 posts)

26. But it's not easy.

I'm already getting queasy.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:15 AM

underpants (169,488 posts)

16. Surprise! WRONG. $16.4 BILLION from Europe to Ukraine since 2014

President Donald Trump wrongly said that “Europe and other nations” were “not” contributing to Ukraine, specifically calling for Germany and France to “put up money.” In fact, the European Union and European financial institutions have contributed more than $16.4 billion in grants and loans to Ukraine since 2014.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/13/factcheck-trump-wrong-european-aid-ukraine/4178935002/

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Response to underpants (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:17 AM

Arkansas Granny (30,486 posts)

21. +1

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:17 AM

malaise (244,536 posts)

24. The President's side was not locked out you lying sleazeball

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Response to malaise (Reply #24)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:18 AM

Mike 03 (16,616 posts)

28. This is hard to take.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:19 AM

malaise (244,536 posts)

31. IT is Dems who are trying to steal the election

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Response to malaise (Reply #24)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:22 AM

oasis (48,620 posts)

39. Cip is doubling down on a blatant lie.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:17 AM

live love laugh (8,233 posts)

25. "They repeat over and over again..." as he says burden sharing

and “24 hours” for the tenth time.

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Response to live love laugh (Reply #25)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:26 AM

underpants (169,488 posts)

56. Now it's 21 hours. I lost count how many times this guy's said it.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:30 AM

live love laugh (8,233 posts)

67. Yeah I heard that shift to 21 hours too. nt

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:17 AM

underpants (169,488 posts)

27. Ask yourself, Why haven't I heard this before?

That means whacked RW talking points and lies.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:20 AM

liberal N proud (59,152 posts)

35. They blocked evidence then claim Democrats don't have it

What a sham

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #35)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:24 AM

uponit7771 (85,187 posts)

48. +1, the judicial system is lacking on this issue. It shouldn't take 123432 years to get a ruling ...

... during an official impeachment process when the president proffers utter stupidity like Red Don has done.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #35)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:35 AM

ancianita (26,480 posts)

81. Legal gaslighting is what it's called.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #35)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:05 PM

NotASurfer (1,841 posts)

129. Tre rebuttal time that is "see article 2 re Obstruction "

And maybe "thank you for helping to make the point on the Obstruction article"

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:20 AM

superpatriotman (5,843 posts)

36. "Essence..."

Next.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:21 AM

spanone (130,640 posts)

38. Let the Lies Begin....

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:22 AM

Kali (53,119 posts)

40. what a moron

playing Schiff SAYING he was characterizing what dump said/did

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:22 AM

uponit7771 (85,187 posts)

42. lol ... they gonna show Wonderful World Of Gumball next ?! Cause we can't tell that's a cartoon 🙄🙄

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:22 AM

Mike 03 (16,616 posts)

43. Oh no, they are dredging up Adam Schiff's satirical interpretation of the

phone call.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:23 AM

BumRushDaShow (96,296 posts)

44. Poop-pura played Schiff's clip about the mob shakedown

and it WAS a shake down. They can't possible dispute that.

They apparently had no idea that the House Managers were going to use almost 24 hours of time to actually introduce evidence so they figured they didn't have to "prepare".

And what they are calling a "transcript" is not a "transcript" - it's a highly edited "readout/call memo".

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:29 AM

live love laugh (8,233 posts)

63. I wish Dems had driven this point home. nt

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Response to live love laugh (Reply #63)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:37 AM

BumRushDaShow (96,296 posts)

88. I watched the Democrats' presentation gavel to gavel

and it WAS driven home. In every which way they could. That put the GOP on the defensive to somehow try to refute the mob-like atmosphere given all the mentions of Ghouliani and his shady role along with Parnas and Furman and all the other mob "associates". And now that call audio is out there with Drumpf yelling "take her out".

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:44 AM

ancianita (26,480 posts)

103. Agree. I watched that, too.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:56 AM

live love laugh (8,233 posts)

118. I'm talking about the language itself

In one fell swoop they are back to “the transcript”. I’m only saying that every time they mentioned the “readout” it would have helped to add some thing like “...which was not an actual transcript”...

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:23 AM

ancianita (26,480 posts)

45. The full breadth and scope of this argument will be behind the next 10 months of Republican message

We have to dismantle it, point by point.

This isn't mere groundling cult thinking; it's formulated all the way up to the federal level.

This has to be addressed as at least part of the Democrats' election messaging.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:23 AM

karynnj (58,773 posts)

46. The first two speakers have spoken of the REAL TRANSCRIPT -- but they NEVER gave us a transcript

A transcript would have every word said - unless they were redacted. What we got was a Trump administration put out were their version of meeting notes. The length of them would not have covered the full time.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #46)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:28 AM

BumRushDaShow (96,296 posts)

62. I don't think they have the real one either

otherwise they would have distributed it far and wide if it exonerated him.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:44 AM

karynnj (58,773 posts)

100. If they have a tape, they do - they seem to prefer having their version CALLED a transcript

I think they are trying very hard to convince at least those who might vote Republican that the case was rigged by the Democrats. To do this, they are cherry picking their own created meeting notes. It tells me they are somewhat aware that the Democratic case was compelling because calling something a transcript - when it absolutely is not - and then using that it was a transcript to argue that it itself is the true record.

The even bigger thing they are doing is burying the many months of acting against the ambassador. The current speaker even rehabilitated the corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor that the EU, US et al wanted out, praising him as good. Both of them are arguing that Trump did more than Europe and Obama respectively.

I think the reason for their relatively short time is because - as they said - the burden of proof is on the Democrats. It seems like they are not even trying to prove anything - just to create doubt enough to allow Republicans to say that it is "unclear" or "not certain" that Trump did anything wrong.

Knowing that they control if Trump is ousted - and he won't be, there entire goal is to convince the public of two things - Trump did nothing wrong here and the Democrats are doing this for political reasons because they hate Trump.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #100)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:03 PM

BumRushDaShow (96,296 posts)

126. From what I understand

(and although I obviously don't work in the WH but did work in a federal agency) the "recordings" are usually digital. And the issue in this case was that the recording file was "moved" to a highly classified "server" (probably a special encrypted cloud space) and an electronic copy of what was transcribed (which had to include translations between the parties) was stored there as well. I think Vindman had testified that he had seen the raw translated transcript and he along with others on their NS team (as part of a group effort) recommended additions/subtractions/modifications - probably doing it with M$ Word and its "track changes" feature). Once someone above them "approved" the changes, it was apparently redistributed to the team and I think that's when Vindman said he noticed that his edits were not included.

So what eventually got released was basically a "redacted" (without the traditional "redaction" blackout) of the call - where there were ellipses throughout it indicating gaps of conversations.

And regarding everything else - there is nothing they can "bury". Their talking points have been debunked in the media and yes, all they can do is try to sow "doubt" in the Democrats' case. But there was so much in the case (to the point where people were whining about it being "repetitive and boring", that attempts to sow doubt can never reach every piece of evidence that was presented.

And agree that what you said is their goal but it seems every day, more and more comes out to completely blow them away.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #126)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:29 PM

DeminPennswoods (13,720 posts)

161. I was under the impression the calls are NOT recorded,

(at least on the US end) but there are a bunch of people listening in and taking notes. Then a "transcript" is written and passed around for comments, additions, etc. Vindman said the things he suggested adding/changing were not used.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #62)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:51 AM

ancianita (26,480 posts)

115. They have both the secret server and original transcript in Russian control.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:24 AM

Satch59 (1,343 posts)

49. They are accusing Dems of election interference...

That’s rich... defies logic that they can prove he did nothing wrong...will be comical.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:24 AM

bullwinkle428 (20,323 posts)

50. So it's all about "TRANSCRIPT TRANSCRIPT TRANSCRIPT", which is a COMPLETE lie,

as no one outside of Chumpworld has seen the actual transcript; only a summary of the call. Which in and of itself, is indicting.

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Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #50)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:29 AM

underpants (169,488 posts)

64. "Burden sharing"

They must be really proud of that phrase.

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Response to underpants (Reply #64)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:31 AM

bullwinkle428 (20,323 posts)

70. If anyone is using that phrase as part of a drinking game, I hope the ambulance is

waiting right outside their door!

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Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #70)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:46 AM

underpants (169,488 posts)

106. If the Trumpsters are hearing "bourbon sharing"

There’s going to a long line at the package stores when they open.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:25 AM

Mersky (4,849 posts)

53. pupura cut himself off with the start of playing the first clip of Schiff.

And will use the word “fake” as cover for his lack of preparedness. He doesn’t really need to be prepared when tRump has blocked all cooperation of witnesses. Thank goodness some of the witnesses defied tRump’s orders and appeared for testimony.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:25 AM

IggleDuer (845 posts)

54. "might as well tear up the ballots"

The ballots are already printed out? Whose name is on the ballots? Has the Democratic nominee already been decided? Sounds like the Repubicans have already rigged the election.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:26 AM

spanone (130,640 posts)

57. 'A Basement Bunker' another lyin' MF

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Response to spanone (Reply #57)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:28 AM

malaise (244,536 posts)

59. The transcript was not released either

Lying liars

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Response to malaise (Reply #59)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:37 AM

ancianita (26,480 posts)

86. Schiff prebutted these two points yesterday. And here they are ANYWAY.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #86)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:39 AM

malaise (244,536 posts)

91. Facts are stubborn things

By the way, I'm just learning that you can have two completely different sets of facts. I guess they really believe this alternative facts shit.

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Response to malaise (Reply #91)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:42 AM

ancianita (26,480 posts)

96. I hear you. They've got alt-science and alt-reality and are ready to go all in on the 17th Century.

All that winning and making America great.

The fascist reality -- religion, law, science, culture and all the 'isms' that go with them -- is strong with this group.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #96)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:44 AM

malaise (244,536 posts)

101. So is ignorance - they own that

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:46 AM

ancianita (26,480 posts)

107. They disagree.They own "alt-intelligence."Our labels for them roll off authoritarian followers' back

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Response to spanone (Reply #57)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:56 AM

Arkansas Granny (30,486 posts)

119. What is their preoccupation with basements?

Didn't they make a big deal out of Hillary's server being in the basement? They also claimed she was operating a child sex ring out of the basement of a pizza joint.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:26 AM

Mike 03 (16,616 posts)

58. This is a TERRIBLE legal argument but how many people will

realize how bad it is?

It's an 'absence-of-evidence' argument. He's pointing out what didn't happen instead of admitting what did happen.

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Response to Mike 03 (Reply #58)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:32 AM

underpants (169,488 posts)

73. This is a glossy (they think) presentation heard on Fox News

Uh Oh OBAMA!!!!

Only took 33 minutes

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Response to Mike 03 (Reply #58)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:33 AM

BumRushDaShow (96,296 posts)

76. Saturday is the least television-watching day of the week.

I expect that even most of their base aren't watching because that kind expects that their "leaders" will "take care of it" for them.

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Response to Mike 03 (Reply #58)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:50 AM

ancianita (26,480 posts)

113. It'll take 1,000s of lawyers' joint deposition to disprove this to millions of this "ALT" mentality

We're in lawyers wars.

Only those who can out-argue these guys can change this hyperrationalizing mindset in the halls of power. Because, right now, it dominates, however it's seen outside the White House or beltway.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:28 AM

snowybirdie (3,819 posts)

60. It only took

20 minutes to blame Obama for something.

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #60)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:29 AM

uponit7771 (85,187 posts)

65. +1, they aren't even trying ... f ck it ... they might as well read all of Trumps tweets that would

... be better spent time.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #65)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:32 AM

C_U_L8R (42,152 posts)

72. They're getting paid by the hour

Win or lose.

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #72)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:39 AM

uponit7771 (85,187 posts)

92. ah ... got it

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:10 PM

underpants (169,488 posts)

136. Yeah. A check from Trump.

Don't hold their breath waiting on that.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:28 AM

uponit7771 (85,187 posts)

61. So this is a bunch of Trump talking points that they add details to?! Might as well showed Gumball !

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:30 AM

underpants (169,488 posts)

68. So he's repeating what Cipollone said 20 minutes ago?

I will repost this

President Donald Trump wrongly said that “Europe and other nations” were “not” contributing to Ukraine, specifically calling for Germany and France to “put up money.” In fact, the European Union and European financial institutions have contributed more than $16.4 billion in grants and loans to Ukraine since 2014.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/13/factcheck-trump-wrong-european-aid-ukraine/4178935002/

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Response to underpants (Reply #68)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:41 AM

uponit7771 (85,187 posts)

94. They only taking 2 - 3 hours, what is Monday going to look like ?!

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:31 AM

Mersky (4,849 posts)

71. Whoa. Is some lying crap: tRump didn't do an unprecedented thing declassifying the call

The only reason the call was declassified was because he got caught - and it was improperly classified to begin with! NSC legal counsel, Eisenberg, copped to Morrison that it was a mistake.

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Response to Mersky (Reply #71)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:34 AM

underpants (169,488 posts)

80. Nancy let him think releasing it would end the whole thing.

She didn’t say anything of the kind from what we know but Trump convinced himself that she did.

Self played!!!

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:44 AM

Mersky (4,849 posts)

99. Lol. I'd forgotten that

Was shrewd.

But then pupura just had to use his tone to say that tRump did us a grand favor. Was like a parent commending a kid for removing his fork from his brother’s leg and just letting the one bleed. The fork shouldn’t have been in his leg in the first place and take care of the bleeder, dammit!

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Response to Mersky (Reply #99)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:48 AM

underpants (169,488 posts)

111. The press has killed that part of the timeline too

Trump handed himself his own ass.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 01:13 PM

Mersky (4,849 posts)

169. True. And, lol.

He is grabby.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:32 AM

underpants (169,488 posts)

74. OBAMA. Only took 33 minutes.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:36 AM

MontanaMama (19,296 posts)

85. We should have had a betting pool on

how long it would take. I’m kinda surprised it look 33 minutes.

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #85)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:38 AM

underpants (169,488 posts)

90. Got to keep the Fox News crowd happy

Let’s call it their ....uh....burden sharing

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:33 AM

Arkansas Granny (30,486 posts)

75. So they are going to insist that the transcript deals with corruption even though corruption was

never mentioned.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:33 AM

5X (3,971 posts)

77. Fitting that their graphics are in yellow.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:36 AM

robbob (3,178 posts)

83. He's reading Adam Schiff's closing summation!

It’s like he took bullet point crib notes from last nights closing summation! “And then they’re going to tell you the President wasn’t given an opportunity to defend himself...”.

Luckily for tRump the GOPeers have already forgotten all the evidence from the last 3 days, including the closing summation, and weren’t really listening anyway, since they already know how they’re going to vote.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:37 AM

Pachamama (16,467 posts)

87. What a bunch of BS - trying to claim that the conversation of 7/25 w/ Zelensky about

...assistance with Javelins prove that it wasn’t about the withholding of military assistance.

Guess they are forgetting to mention that the Ukrainians got the Javelins with the conditions they actually couldn’t use them on tanks. And that shortly after Trump had the military assistance frozen.

Wow - they are sleazy liars.

https://www.businessinsider.de/international/republicans-leaving-out-key-detail-trump-javelin-sale-to-ukraine-2019-11/?r=US&IR=T

https://crooksandliars.com/2019/11/us-requires-ukraine-keep-javelins-100s

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #87)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:43 AM

underpants (169,488 posts)

97. The Javelins are still in storage

There is a level of security required and the Ukraine can’t meet those standards.

It’s a requirement of the manufacturer and so we don’t pay for weapons that end up in enemy hands.

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #87)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:44 AM

BumRushDaShow (96,296 posts)

104. They are still ignoring the "Do us a favor though..."

THAT was the take-away of that call. :

(but that is too damaging and they have nothing to refute it except to cherry-pick people who were clueless as to what was going on)

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:37 AM

Mersky (4,849 posts)

89. Call your senators and tell them you know how false/insulting the republican defense is this morning

And we’re just 35 minutes in!

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:43 AM

Kali (53,119 posts)

98. what do the body language readers say about all that tongue thrusting?

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Response to Kali (Reply #98)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:48 AM

Mersky (4,849 posts)

109. Used crushed ritalin like sugar in his morning coffee?

Is speedy - careening through his barrage of garbage

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Response to Mersky (Reply #109)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:02 PM

Kali (53,119 posts)

125. bet the boss is tripping too

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Response to Kali (Reply #125)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:19 PM

Mersky (4,849 posts)

148. Just had to check on that

He’s been relatively quiet, BUT he retweeted live coverage of the opening arguments and then deleted it! Ha. Hahahahaha.

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Response to Mersky (Reply #148)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:34 PM

Kali (53,119 posts)

165. BWAHAHAHA!!!

I got the first hour, gotta go to a real funeral now. will catch the recording or threads later. have fun!

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Response to Kali (Reply #165)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 01:19 PM

Mersky (4,849 posts)

172. Oh hey, that's rough.

I give you my sympathies (not sure I could handle such today), and hope you’re real kind to yourself as best you can this weekend.

Thanks for being in here this morning.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:45 AM

Iliyah (25,111 posts)

105. I'll bet that all 53 assholes are there . . .

I'll also bet that the Democrats are silently laughing. . .

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #105)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:48 AM

Pachamama (16,467 posts)

110. Now 53 traitorous self serving assholes are staying in their seats listening and taking notes

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #110)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:05 PM

dem4decades (9,285 posts)

127. I'm surprised, they already have their talking points.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:31 PM

ancianita (26,480 posts)

163. So do the Democrats, particularly those running for the presidency.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #163)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:48 PM

dem4decades (9,285 posts)

166. What does that mean? The Democrats are based on fact, not so much with the Republicans.

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #166)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:51 PM

ancianita (26,480 posts)

167. Oops. Misunderstood your post. Sorry. Now I get it.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:46 AM

in2herbs (2,234 posts)

108. At 5 minutes in my blood was already at the boiling point but I will listen to all of their

lies if for no other reason than its historical importance. Haven't viewed Rachel's show from last night but I wonder if it will be in any discussion today.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:51 AM

underpants (169,488 posts)

116. Okay. Hold it. They're using the "hearsay/no facts" testimonies from Schiff's hearings???

The right wing has been saying this for a month. Now THEY are using THAT testimony in their defense?!?!

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Response to underpants (Reply #116)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:57 AM

ancianita (26,480 posts)

121. Of course. They're the originators of those lines.

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Response to underpants (Reply #116)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:58 AM

Mersky (4,849 posts)

122. Is infuriating: Zeroing-in on Sondland as hearsay

Never mind the texts, never mind the other fact witnesses, like Taylor and Hill’s calling Sondland as being on a “domestic political errand.”

Never mind that BOLTON comes up across much of their links to the scheme and he should be SUBPOENAED to appear in the Senate trial*

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Response to Mersky (Reply #122)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:14 PM

ancianita (26,480 posts)

138. Power & deals for them, hearsay for Americans. "What you are seeing and reading is not what's happen

ing

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:57 AM

BumRushDaShow (96,296 posts)

120. Suckylow up.

Mueller report - and THAT is completely irrelevant to this impeachment trial dumbass.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:06 PM

underpants (169,488 posts)

131. A little dab will do ya

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:58 AM

JohnQFunk (340 posts)

123. Cippolone is very low energy. Bigly. And now...

Sekulow is going to whip out "Crossfire Hurricane" like a severed head from a duffel bag.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:00 PM

Mossfern (1,522 posts)

124. Bottom line

The White House produced no documents and subpoenas were not responded to.

Cherry picking from the Muller report.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:05 PM

underpants (169,488 posts)

128. Trump had a blanket order IN WRITING

and specifically sent additional letters to 6 people to ignore subpoenas

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:15 PM

ancianita (26,480 posts)

140. Documents that Democrats have in hand?

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Response to Mossfern (Reply #124)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:05 PM

Mersky (4,849 posts)

130. And but for the pResident's obstruction and an attorney general as cleaner

The Mueller report might have had real teeth.

As Schiff said last night you can’t have Article I, without Article II. Meaning you can’t get to bottom of abuses of power/crimes when the offender in question can block the investigators.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:06 PM

Arkansas Granny (30,486 posts)

132. Now trying out the election interference by Ukraine theory.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:09 PM

underpants (169,488 posts)

135. He called the FBI liars and that they hid information a few minutes ago

I think that's what he said.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:18 PM

ancianita (26,480 posts)

146. According to inspector generals, not so.

Continuing to impugn the greatest standing law enforcement body is treason, except when you want to end law enforcement in a nation of law, in order to force into existence a nation of men -- loyalists like these fake lawyers.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:07 PM

Kali (53,119 posts)

133. so unoriginal, no creativity.

the usual - deflect, project and lie.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:08 PM

underpants (169,488 posts)

134. Suckitup got lost in his own argument there

The meeting that didn't happen but then it did happen

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:13 PM

Mersky (4,849 posts)

137. Who was he talking about? I heard Laura Crap, then I heard Laura Cooper a little further

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:17 PM

nolabear (39,593 posts)

144. I had to figure out Borysenko too.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:15 PM

dweller (20,495 posts)

139. listening to suckitup

and i have this image of a pinball careening around in his brain ...
is there a valid point there?
cause i don't get it ..

✌🏼

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:16 PM

uponit7771 (85,187 posts)

142. +1, they might as well just read Trump tweets ... they make more sense and that says something

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:15 PM

Mossfern (1,522 posts)

141. I'm having difficulty

following his argument.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:24 PM

Mersky (4,849 posts)

153. Is the 'throw it at the wall and see what sticks' defense

So, I’m right there with you. It’s a salad of potential talking points.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:16 PM

nolabear (39,593 posts)

143. Okay I just got here (West Coast). WTF is Sekulow on about?

I’ve heard Carter Page, FISA, Ukraine corruption...is this the right room?

Has it all been like this?

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:18 PM

Mossfern (1,522 posts)

147. It seems to have been like this

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:20 PM

nolabear (39,593 posts)

149. El Salvador? Lebanon? OIC. It was a BUSINESS deal!

Are they going to use this excuse? Of course they are.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:21 PM

underpants (169,488 posts)

150. Oh we just got a Biden reference

Yes it's been a mess. They are using the "hearsay/no facts" testimonies from the Schiff hearings as part of their defense. At least the second guy did.

Suckitup is going full conspiracy theory.

Oh and "burden sharing"

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 01:45 PM

Mersky (4,849 posts)

175. Bwah!

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:23 PM

DeminPennswoods (13,720 posts)

151. TBH, the WH lawyers are doing enough to give

cover to the R senators who plan to vote not to convict Trump and those who want to believe Trump.

I'm kind of surprised the WH lawyers are actually trying to present a semblence of a defense and not just galloping off on CTs and other craziness.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:23 PM

madaboutharry (37,910 posts)

152. Sekulow is all over the place.

It seems like he is reading off an outline of talking points rather than a well crafted legal argument.

Listing instances of holds on foreign aid is a false argument. Foreign aid can be held back for legitimate reasons, but not for the personal and political benefit of the president.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:24 PM

underpants (169,488 posts)

154. "Only one President....Since 2014...has taken effective steps"

Uh, how many Presidents have there BEEN since 2014?

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:28 PM

madaboutharry (37,910 posts)

159. President Obama was president in 2014.

So I guess it was just a way of making a gratuitous slight against Obama.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:28 PM

BumRushDaShow (96,296 posts)

157. He's done his completely offtopic nonsenical argument - now to Pat Philbin

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:28 PM

C_U_L8R (42,152 posts)

158. When do they bring on Whackadoodle Jordan

and Alan Underpants Dershowitz?
I'm hankering some Saturday morning cartoon.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:31 PM

underpants (169,488 posts)

164. Hey hey hey

Okay I'll let that one pass

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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:30 PM

Mersky (4,849 posts)

162. LIVE THREAD 2 is UP *

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212908886

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General Discussion (Forum)

******* Impeachment Live Thread 1 - 1/25 *******

1. Benediction and pledge have occurred

2. Cippy is up and not acting like WH Counsel

3. Thank you for starting this

8. Eh, I want them to know people are watching this farce of a defense

30. Had a few more hours of rest but still haven't caught up yet.

168. Was super excited to see you in here. Is much appreciated.

171. Glad to see you guys too!

170. Thanks for the thread and stream links!

173. Yeah, it was awful.

177. Thank you for doing this today! nt

17. Ditto... I am having trouble even thinking about watching... I'll read the threads for awhile

32. I was gonna have the volume down low and read the cc

4. Aww thank you, Mersky! This will be tough day.

22. They will be OBNOXIOUS, but their lies and bs shall be revealed

5. Talk about "boring" Cipollone is a real fire cracker isn't he?

7. He has to talk real slow to try to have them all reach 2 hours.

51. I know you were joking but it sounds like you're right

55. Poop-pura is doing the same thing

82. Purpura

93. LOL

174. Oh, that's where I've heard that name before

84. That's who I meant

95. That was filler material

145. I just made this

155. DUzy!

176. I hope you've spread that around. People need laughs!

6. WTF is he talking about "burden sharing"?

37. I can't remember who it was, but

52. Exactly (someone posted that in this thread)

102. Here you go

112. That the EU as well as the US helps Ukraine

9. Cippy wants to frame this as an ALT-evidence defense AND how dangerous the House is

20. Guess what, he's wrong

34. The only way to smash this drumbeat claim for the next 10 months is make it part of elevator pitch

10. So now he is going to use the time to insult our allies?

15. Par for the course. Trump does it all the time.

23. ...

33. LOL...

11. full of shit

12. they got nuthin ...

13. But. We had better listen to it in order to disprove it.

114. Agreed totally! Will try to listen on the radio and contribute what I can n/t

117. The radio's a great way to filter out histrionics, but it also deprives one of body/facial language.

156. Oddly I feel I get a better sense of the truth listening to the radio.

160. I hear you. Listening focuses the senses and thinking.

18. Stunning indeed

14. I'm glad someone is watching just not me.

19. I wouldn't miss it.

29. You have a much longer fuse than i.

41. I'm just curious to find out just what it takes to buy the soul of a Republican Senator

47. Not much.

69. Except this and a lot of dark and foreign money.

66. In all fairness...

78. Lol

79. And they certainly don't want to hear that they're cowering cowards either.

26. But it's not easy.

16. Surprise! WRONG. $16.4 BILLION from Europe to Ukraine since 2014

21. +1

24. The President's side was not locked out you lying sleazeball

28. This is hard to take.

31. IT is Dems who are trying to steal the election

39. Cip is doubling down on a blatant lie.

25. "They repeat over and over again..." as he says burden sharing

56. Now it's 21 hours. I lost count how many times this guy's said it.

67. Yeah I heard that shift to 21 hours too. nt

27. Ask yourself, Why haven't I heard this before?

35. They blocked evidence then claim Democrats don't have it

48. +1, the judicial system is lacking on this issue. It shouldn't take 123432 years to get a ruling ...

81. Legal gaslighting is what it's called.

129. Tre rebuttal time that is "see article 2 re Obstruction "

36. "Essence..."

38. Let the Lies Begin....

40. what a moron

42. lol ... they gonna show Wonderful World Of Gumball next ?! Cause we can't tell that's a cartoon 🙄🙄

43. Oh no, they are dredging up Adam Schiff's satirical interpretation of the

44. Poop-pura played Schiff's clip about the mob shakedown

63. I wish Dems had driven this point home. nt

88. I watched the Democrats' presentation gavel to gavel

103. Agree. I watched that, too.

* Impeachment Live Thread 1 - 1/25 *