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Reply ******* Impeachment Live Thread 1 - 1/25 ******* (Original post)
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hlthe2b Jan 2020 #17
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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:07 AM

1. Benediction and pledge have occurred

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:09 AM

2. Cippy is up and not acting like WH Counsel

Complaining about the amount of time taken by the House manangers

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:09 AM

3. Thank you for starting this

I just couldn't including because it's THEM



(at least Cippycup acknowledged that they barely had about 2 - 3 hours of a case )

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:13 AM

8. Eh, I want them to know people are watching this farce of a defense

In THEIR kangaroo court

Hi, BRDS! Hope you got some goooood rest!

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Response to Mersky (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:18 AM

30. Had a few more hours of rest but still haven't caught up yet.

(still up at 4:30 am)

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #30)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 01:11 PM

168. Was super excited to see you in here. Is much appreciated.

Take a nap! Enjoy your weekend!

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Response to Mersky (Reply #168)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 01:18 PM

171. Glad to see you guys too!

And definitely should take a nap at some point.

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Response to Mersky (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 01:18 PM

170. Thanks for the thread and stream links!

I'm debating with myself whether to watch, or just read here.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #170)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 01:24 PM

173. Yeah, it was awful.

A downer kind of circus with half-inflated balloons and dodgy clowns.

At least that’s over til Monday.

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Response to Mersky (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 03:45 PM

177. Thank you for doing this today! nt

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:15 AM

17. Ditto... I am having trouble even thinking about watching... I'll read the threads for awhile

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:19 AM

32. I was gonna have the volume down low and read the cc

but wanted to confirm that all they had was talking points.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:11 AM

4. Aww thank you, Mersky! This will be tough day.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:17 AM

22. They will be OBNOXIOUS, but their lies and bs shall be revealed

On DU is a start to revealing their ineptitude and complicity

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You’re so very welcome. Thanks for sharing the load - and it will be a load.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:12 AM

5. Talk about "boring" Cipollone is a real fire cracker isn't he?

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Response to underpants (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:12 AM

7. He has to talk real slow to try to have them all reach 2 hours.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:25 AM

51. I know you were joking but it sounds like you're right

This guy is taking looooong pauses like he’s waiting for someone with the rest of report to get there.

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Response to underpants (Reply #51)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:26 AM

55. Poop-pura is doing the same thing

they have to extend it out to fill a couple hours.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #55)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:35 AM

82. Purpura

https://www.healthline.com/health/purpura

Bad rash "Purpura, also called blood spots or skin hemorrhages, refers to purple-colored spots that are most recognizable on the skin. The spots may also appear on organs or mucous membranes, including the membranes on the inside of the mouth. Purpura occurs when small blood vessels burst, causing blood to pool under the skin.

https://www.healthline.com/health/purpura#pictures

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Response to Backseat Driver (Reply #82)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:40 AM

93. LOL

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Response to Backseat Driver (Reply #82)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 01:41 PM

174. Oh, that's where I've heard that name before

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #55)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:36 AM

84. That's who I meant

He has also repeated what Cipollone said.

Burden sharing. That’s their big phrase.

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Response to underpants (Reply #84)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:42 AM

95. That was filler material

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #95)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:18 PM

145. I just made this

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Response to underpants (Reply #145)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:25 PM

155. DUzy!

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Response to underpants (Reply #145)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 02:06 PM

176. I hope you've spread that around. People need laughs!

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:12 AM

6. WTF is he talking about "burden sharing"?

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:20 AM

37. I can't remember who it was, but

somebody on MSNBC had said that the EU has actually done far more for Ukraine than the US.

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Response to avebury (Reply #37)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:25 AM

52. Exactly (someone posted that in this thread)

I think that statement about Germany, etc came from that call readout (that they keep calling a "transcript" ) - and it was completely uninformed.

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Response to avebury (Reply #37)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:44 AM

102. Here you go

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/13/factcheck-trump-wrong-european-aid-ukraine/4178935002/

President Donald Trump wrongly said that “Europe and other nations” were “not” contributing to Ukraine, specifically calling for Germany and France to “put up money.” In fact, the European Union and European financial institutions have contributed more than $16.4 billion in grants and loans to Ukraine since 2014.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:49 AM

112. That the EU as well as the US helps Ukraine

They are claiming that we did more on the sanctions. In the Obama years, it WAS Obama, Biden and Kerry who fought for strong sanctions that were harder for our allies than us because they have more trade - especially fuel - from Russia.

However, Trump ignored Congress when it added sanctions on Russia in 2017 and was against them when they passed both houses of Congress. To have the chutzpah to argue that they did more on sanctions than EU is absolutely disingenuous.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:13 AM

9. Cippy wants to frame this as an ALT-evidence defense AND how dangerous the House is

and how "dire the consequences to America forever and forever" is what the House is doing.

Get ready to unpack the ALT legal, and its ALT arguments.

First up, Germany and how it just talks and never does anything.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:16 AM

20. Guess what, he's wrong

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/13/factcheck-trump-wrong-european-aid-ukraine/4178935002/

President Donald Trump wrongly said that “Europe and other nations” were “not” contributing to Ukraine, specifically calling for Germany and France to “put up money.” In fact, the European Union and European financial institutions have contributed more than $16.4 billion in grants and loans to Ukraine since 2014.

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Response to underpants (Reply #20)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:20 AM

34. The only way to smash this drumbeat claim for the next 10 months is make it part of elevator pitch

politics.

Thanks for the first demolishment of the bullshit. We have to keep it up.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:13 AM

10. So now he is going to use the time to insult our allies?



COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC!!!!!!!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:15 AM

15. Par for the course. Trump does it all the time.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:17 AM

23. ...

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #23)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:19 AM

33. LOL...

Every squirrel in the bag is coming out today.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:14 AM

11. full of shit

OMG

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:14 AM

12. they got nuthin ...

it's all the Democrats fault, trying to change the results of an election, to remove fatnixon from the ballot ... blah fn blah

NO DEFENSE AT ALL !

useless 😡

✌🏼

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Response to dweller (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:14 AM

13. But. We had better listen to it in order to disprove it.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:51 AM

114. Agreed totally! Will try to listen on the radio and contribute what I can n/t

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Response to DonaldsRump (Reply #114)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:52 AM

117. The radio's a great way to filter out histrionics, but it also deprives one of body/facial language.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #117)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:27 PM

156. Oddly I feel I get a better sense of the truth listening to the radio.

Not sure why.

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Response to Arthur_Frain (Reply #156)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:29 PM

160. I hear you. Listening focuses the senses and thinking.

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Response to dweller (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:16 AM

18. Stunning indeed

now he's turning it over to illustrate what they didn't do

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:15 AM

14. I'm glad someone is watching just not me.

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:16 AM

19. I wouldn't miss it.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #19)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:18 AM

29. You have a much longer fuse than i.

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #29)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:22 AM

41. I'm just curious to find out just what it takes to buy the soul of a Republican Senator

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #41)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:23 AM

47. Not much.

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #47)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:30 AM

69. Except this and a lot of dark and foreign money.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #41)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:29 AM

66. In all fairness...

they just don’t want their heads on a pike...

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #66)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:33 AM

78. Lol

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #66)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:34 AM

79. And they certainly don't want to hear that they're cowering cowards either.

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:17 AM

26. But it's not easy.

I'm already getting queasy.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:15 AM

16. Surprise! WRONG. $16.4 BILLION from Europe to Ukraine since 2014

President Donald Trump wrongly said that “Europe and other nations” were “not” contributing to Ukraine, specifically calling for Germany and France to “put up money.” In fact, the European Union and European financial institutions have contributed more than $16.4 billion in grants and loans to Ukraine since 2014.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/13/factcheck-trump-wrong-european-aid-ukraine/4178935002/

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Response to underpants (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:17 AM

21. +1

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:17 AM

24. The President's side was not locked out you lying sleazeball

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Response to malaise (Reply #24)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:18 AM

28. This is hard to take.

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Response to Mike 03 (Reply #28)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:19 AM

31. IT is Dems who are trying to steal the election

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Response to malaise (Reply #24)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:22 AM

39. Cip is doubling down on a blatant lie.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:17 AM

25. "They repeat over and over again..." as he says burden sharing

and “24 hours” for the tenth time.

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Response to live love laugh (Reply #25)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:26 AM

56. Now it's 21 hours. I lost count how many times this guy's said it.

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Response to underpants (Reply #56)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:30 AM

67. Yeah I heard that shift to 21 hours too. nt

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:17 AM

27. Ask yourself, Why haven't I heard this before?

That means whacked RW talking points and lies.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:20 AM

35. They blocked evidence then claim Democrats don't have it

What a sham

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #35)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:24 AM

48. +1, the judicial system is lacking on this issue. It shouldn't take 123432 years to get a ruling ...

... during an official impeachment process when the president proffers utter stupidity like Red Don has done.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #35)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:35 AM

81. Legal gaslighting is what it's called.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #35)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:05 PM

129. Tre rebuttal time that is "see article 2 re Obstruction "

And maybe "thank you for helping to make the point on the Obstruction article"

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:20 AM

36. "Essence..."

Next.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:21 AM

38. Let the Lies Begin....

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:22 AM

40. what a moron

playing Schiff SAYING he was characterizing what dump said/did

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:22 AM

42. lol ... they gonna show Wonderful World Of Gumball next ?! Cause we can't tell that's a cartoon 🙄🙄

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:22 AM

43. Oh no, they are dredging up Adam Schiff's satirical interpretation of the

phone call.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:23 AM

44. Poop-pura played Schiff's clip about the mob shakedown

and it WAS a shake down. They can't possible dispute that.

They apparently had no idea that the House Managers were going to use almost 24 hours of time to actually introduce evidence so they figured they didn't have to "prepare".

And what they are calling a "transcript" is not a "transcript" - it's a highly edited "readout/call memo".

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #44)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:29 AM

63. I wish Dems had driven this point home. nt

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Response to live love laugh (Reply #63)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:37 AM

88. I watched the Democrats' presentation gavel to gavel

and it WAS driven home. In every which way they could. That put the GOP on the defensive to somehow try to refute the mob-like atmosphere given all the mentions of Ghouliani and his shady role along with Parnas and Furman and all the other mob "associates". And now that call audio is out there with Drumpf yelling "take her out".

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #88)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:44 AM

103. Agree. I watched that, too.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #88)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:56 AM

118. I'm talking about the language itself

In one fell swoop they are back to “the transcript”. I’m only saying that every time they mentioned the “readout” it would have helped to add some thing like “...which was not an actual transcript”...

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:23 AM

45. The full breadth and scope of this argument will be behind the next 10 months of Republican message

We have to dismantle it, point by point.

This isn't mere groundling cult thinking; it's formulated all the way up to the federal level.

This has to be addressed as at least part of the Democrats' election messaging.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:23 AM

46. The first two speakers have spoken of the REAL TRANSCRIPT -- but they NEVER gave us a transcript

A transcript would have every word said - unless they were redacted. What we got was a Trump administration put out were their version of meeting notes. The length of them would not have covered the full time.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #46)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:28 AM

62. I don't think they have the real one either

otherwise they would have distributed it far and wide if it exonerated him.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #62)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:44 AM

100. If they have a tape, they do - they seem to prefer having their version CALLED a transcript

I think they are trying very hard to convince at least those who might vote Republican that the case was rigged by the Democrats. To do this, they are cherry picking their own created meeting notes. It tells me they are somewhat aware that the Democratic case was compelling because calling something a transcript - when it absolutely is not - and then using that it was a transcript to argue that it itself is the true record.

The even bigger thing they are doing is burying the many months of acting against the ambassador. The current speaker even rehabilitated the corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor that the EU, US et al wanted out, praising him as good. Both of them are arguing that Trump did more than Europe and Obama respectively.

I think the reason for their relatively short time is because - as they said - the burden of proof is on the Democrats. It seems like they are not even trying to prove anything - just to create doubt enough to allow Republicans to say that it is "unclear" or "not certain" that Trump did anything wrong.

Knowing that they control if Trump is ousted - and he won't be, there entire goal is to convince the public of two things - Trump did nothing wrong here and the Democrats are doing this for political reasons because they hate Trump.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #100)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:03 PM

126. From what I understand

(and although I obviously don't work in the WH but did work in a federal agency) the "recordings" are usually digital. And the issue in this case was that the recording file was "moved" to a highly classified "server" (probably a special encrypted cloud space) and an electronic copy of what was transcribed (which had to include translations between the parties) was stored there as well. I think Vindman had testified that he had seen the raw translated transcript and he along with others on their NS team (as part of a group effort) recommended additions/subtractions/modifications - probably doing it with M$ Word and its "track changes" feature). Once someone above them "approved" the changes, it was apparently redistributed to the team and I think that's when Vindman said he noticed that his edits were not included.

So what eventually got released was basically a "redacted" (without the traditional "redaction" blackout) of the call - where there were ellipses throughout it indicating gaps of conversations.

And regarding everything else - there is nothing they can "bury". Their talking points have been debunked in the media and yes, all they can do is try to sow "doubt" in the Democrats' case. But there was so much in the case (to the point where people were whining about it being "repetitive and boring", that attempts to sow doubt can never reach every piece of evidence that was presented.

And agree that what you said is their goal but it seems every day, more and more comes out to completely blow them away.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #126)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:29 PM

161. I was under the impression the calls are NOT recorded,

(at least on the US end) but there are a bunch of people listening in and taking notes. Then a "transcript" is written and passed around for comments, additions, etc. Vindman said the things he suggested adding/changing were not used.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #62)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:51 AM

115. They have both the secret server and original transcript in Russian control.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:24 AM

49. They are accusing Dems of election interference...

That’s rich... defies logic that they can prove he did nothing wrong...will be comical.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:24 AM

50. So it's all about "TRANSCRIPT TRANSCRIPT TRANSCRIPT", which is a COMPLETE lie,

as no one outside of Chumpworld has seen the actual transcript; only a summary of the call. Which in and of itself, is indicting.

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Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #50)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:29 AM

64. "Burden sharing"

They must be really proud of that phrase.

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Response to underpants (Reply #64)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:31 AM

70. If anyone is using that phrase as part of a drinking game, I hope the ambulance is

waiting right outside their door!

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Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #70)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:46 AM

106. If the Trumpsters are hearing "bourbon sharing"

There’s going to a long line at the package stores when they open.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:25 AM

53. pupura cut himself off with the start of playing the first clip of Schiff.

And will use the word “fake” as cover for his lack of preparedness. He doesn’t really need to be prepared when tRump has blocked all cooperation of witnesses. Thank goodness some of the witnesses defied tRump’s orders and appeared for testimony.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:25 AM

54. "might as well tear up the ballots"

The ballots are already printed out? Whose name is on the ballots? Has the Democratic nominee already been decided? Sounds like the Repubicans have already rigged the election.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:26 AM

57. 'A Basement Bunker' another lyin' MF

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Response to spanone (Reply #57)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:28 AM

59. The transcript was not released either

Lying liars

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Response to malaise (Reply #59)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:37 AM

86. Schiff prebutted these two points yesterday. And here they are ANYWAY.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #86)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:39 AM

91. Facts are stubborn things

By the way, I'm just learning that you can have two completely different sets of facts. I guess they really believe this alternative facts shit.

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Response to malaise (Reply #91)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:42 AM

96. I hear you. They've got alt-science and alt-reality and are ready to go all in on the 17th Century.

All that winning and making America great.

The fascist reality -- religion, law, science, culture and all the 'isms' that go with them -- is strong with this group.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #96)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:44 AM

101. So is ignorance - they own that

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Response to malaise (Reply #101)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:46 AM

107. They disagree.They own "alt-intelligence."Our labels for them roll off authoritarian followers' back

s

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Response to spanone (Reply #57)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:56 AM

119. What is their preoccupation with basements?

Didn't they make a big deal out of Hillary's server being in the basement? They also claimed she was operating a child sex ring out of the basement of a pizza joint.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:26 AM

58. This is a TERRIBLE legal argument but how many people will

realize how bad it is?

It's an 'absence-of-evidence' argument. He's pointing out what didn't happen instead of admitting what did happen.

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Response to Mike 03 (Reply #58)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:32 AM

73. This is a glossy (they think) presentation heard on Fox News

Uh Oh OBAMA!!!!

Only took 33 minutes

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Response to Mike 03 (Reply #58)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:33 AM

76. Saturday is the least television-watching day of the week.

I expect that even most of their base aren't watching because that kind expects that their "leaders" will "take care of it" for them.

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Response to Mike 03 (Reply #58)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:50 AM

113. It'll take 1,000s of lawyers' joint deposition to disprove this to millions of this "ALT" mentality

We're in lawyers wars.

Only those who can out-argue these guys can change this hyperrationalizing mindset in the halls of power. Because, right now, it dominates, however it's seen outside the White House or beltway.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:28 AM

60. It only took

20 minutes to blame Obama for something.

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #60)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:29 AM

65. +1, they aren't even trying ... f ck it ... they might as well read all of Trumps tweets that would

... be better spent time.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #65)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:32 AM

72. They're getting paid by the hour

Win or lose.

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #72)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:39 AM

92. ah ... got it

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #72)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:10 PM

136. Yeah. A check from Trump.

Don't hold their breath waiting on that.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:28 AM

61. So this is a bunch of Trump talking points that they add details to?! Might as well showed Gumball !

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:30 AM

68. So he's repeating what Cipollone said 20 minutes ago?

I will repost this

President Donald Trump wrongly said that “Europe and other nations” were “not” contributing to Ukraine, specifically calling for Germany and France to “put up money.” In fact, the European Union and European financial institutions have contributed more than $16.4 billion in grants and loans to Ukraine since 2014.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/13/factcheck-trump-wrong-european-aid-ukraine/4178935002/

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Response to underpants (Reply #68)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:41 AM

94. They only taking 2 - 3 hours, what is Monday going to look like ?!

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:31 AM

71. Whoa. Is some lying crap: tRump didn't do an unprecedented thing declassifying the call

The only reason the call was declassified was because he got caught - and it was improperly classified to begin with! NSC legal counsel, Eisenberg, copped to Morrison that it was a mistake.

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Response to Mersky (Reply #71)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:34 AM

80. Nancy let him think releasing it would end the whole thing.

She didn’t say anything of the kind from what we know but Trump convinced himself that she did.

Self played!!!

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Response to underpants (Reply #80)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:44 AM

99. Lol. I'd forgotten that

Was shrewd.

But then pupura just had to use his tone to say that tRump did us a grand favor. Was like a parent commending a kid for removing his fork from his brother’s leg and just letting the one bleed. The fork shouldn’t have been in his leg in the first place and take care of the bleeder, dammit!

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Response to Mersky (Reply #99)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:48 AM

111. The press has killed that part of the timeline too

Trump handed himself his own ass.

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Response to underpants (Reply #111)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 01:13 PM

169. True. And, lol.

He is grabby.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:32 AM

74. OBAMA. Only took 33 minutes.

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Response to underpants (Reply #74)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:36 AM

85. We should have had a betting pool on

how long it would take. I’m kinda surprised it look 33 minutes.

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #85)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:38 AM

90. Got to keep the Fox News crowd happy

Let’s call it their ....uh....burden sharing

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:33 AM

75. So they are going to insist that the transcript deals with corruption even though corruption was

never mentioned.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:33 AM

77. Fitting that their graphics are in yellow.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:36 AM

83. He's reading Adam Schiff's closing summation!

It’s like he took bullet point crib notes from last nights closing summation! “And then they’re going to tell you the President wasn’t given an opportunity to defend himself...”.

Luckily for tRump the GOPeers have already forgotten all the evidence from the last 3 days, including the closing summation, and weren’t really listening anyway, since they already know how they’re going to vote.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:37 AM

87. What a bunch of BS - trying to claim that the conversation of 7/25 w/ Zelensky about

...assistance with Javelins prove that it wasn’t about the withholding of military assistance.

Guess they are forgetting to mention that the Ukrainians got the Javelins with the conditions they actually couldn’t use them on tanks. And that shortly after Trump had the military assistance frozen.

Wow - they are sleazy liars.

https://www.businessinsider.de/international/republicans-leaving-out-key-detail-trump-javelin-sale-to-ukraine-2019-11/?r=US&IR=T

https://crooksandliars.com/2019/11/us-requires-ukraine-keep-javelins-100s

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #87)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:43 AM

97. The Javelins are still in storage

There is a level of security required and the Ukraine can’t meet those standards.

It’s a requirement of the manufacturer and so we don’t pay for weapons that end up in enemy hands.

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #87)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:44 AM

104. They are still ignoring the "Do us a favor though..."

THAT was the take-away of that call. :

(but that is too damaging and they have nothing to refute it except to cherry-pick people who were clueless as to what was going on)

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:37 AM

89. Call your senators and tell them you know how false/insulting the republican defense is this morning

And we’re just 35 minutes in!

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:43 AM

98. what do the body language readers say about all that tongue thrusting?

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Response to Kali (Reply #98)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:48 AM

109. Used crushed ritalin like sugar in his morning coffee?

Is speedy - careening through his barrage of garbage

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Response to Mersky (Reply #109)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:02 PM

125. bet the boss is tripping too

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Response to Kali (Reply #125)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:19 PM

148. Just had to check on that

He’s been relatively quiet, BUT he retweeted live coverage of the opening arguments and then deleted it! Ha. Hahahahaha.

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Response to Mersky (Reply #148)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:34 PM

165. BWAHAHAHA!!!



I got the first hour, gotta go to a real funeral now. will catch the recording or threads later. have fun!

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Response to Kali (Reply #165)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 01:19 PM

172. Oh hey, that's rough.

I give you my sympathies (not sure I could handle such today), and hope you’re real kind to yourself as best you can this weekend.

Thanks for being in here this morning.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:45 AM

105. I'll bet that all 53 assholes are there . . .

I'll also bet that the Democrats are silently laughing. . .

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #105)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:48 AM

110. Now 53 traitorous self serving assholes are staying in their seats listening and taking notes



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Response to Pachamama (Reply #110)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:05 PM

127. I'm surprised, they already have their talking points.

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #127)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:31 PM

163. So do the Democrats, particularly those running for the presidency.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #163)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:48 PM

166. What does that mean? The Democrats are based on fact, not so much with the Republicans.

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #166)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:51 PM

167. Oops. Misunderstood your post. Sorry. Now I get it.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:46 AM

108. At 5 minutes in my blood was already at the boiling point but I will listen to all of their

lies if for no other reason than its historical importance. Haven't viewed Rachel's show from last night but I wonder if it will be in any discussion today.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:51 AM

116. Okay. Hold it. They're using the "hearsay/no facts" testimonies from Schiff's hearings???

The right wing has been saying this for a month. Now THEY are using THAT testimony in their defense?!?!

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Response to underpants (Reply #116)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:57 AM

121. Of course. They're the originators of those lines.

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Response to underpants (Reply #116)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:58 AM

122. Is infuriating: Zeroing-in on Sondland as hearsay

Never mind the texts, never mind the other fact witnesses, like Taylor and Hill’s calling Sondland as being on a “domestic political errand.”

Never mind that BOLTON comes up across much of their links to the scheme and he should be SUBPOENAED to appear in the Senate trial*

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Response to Mersky (Reply #122)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:14 PM

138. Power & deals for them, hearsay for Americans. "What you are seeing and reading is not what's happen

ing

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:57 AM

120. Suckylow up.

Mueller report - and THAT is completely irrelevant to this impeachment trial dumbass.


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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #120)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:06 PM

131. A little dab will do ya

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:58 AM

123. Cippolone is very low energy. Bigly. And now...

Sekulow is going to whip out "Crossfire Hurricane" like a severed head from a duffel bag.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:00 PM

124. Bottom line

The White House produced no documents and subpoenas were not responded to.

Cherry picking from the Muller report.

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Response to Mossfern (Reply #124)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:05 PM

128. Trump had a blanket order IN WRITING

and specifically sent additional letters to 6 people to ignore subpoenas

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Response to underpants (Reply #128)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:15 PM

140. Documents that Democrats have in hand?

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Response to Mossfern (Reply #124)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:05 PM

130. And but for the pResident's obstruction and an attorney general as cleaner

The Mueller report might have had real teeth.

As Schiff said last night you can’t have Article I, without Article II. Meaning you can’t get to bottom of abuses of power/crimes when the offender in question can block the investigators.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:06 PM

132. Now trying out the election interference by Ukraine theory.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #132)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:09 PM

135. He called the FBI liars and that they hid information a few minutes ago

I think that's what he said.

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Response to underpants (Reply #135)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:18 PM

146. According to inspector generals, not so.

Continuing to impugn the greatest standing law enforcement body is treason, except when you want to end law enforcement in a nation of law, in order to force into existence a nation of men -- loyalists like these fake lawyers.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:07 PM

133. so unoriginal, no creativity.

the usual - deflect, project and lie.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:08 PM

134. Suckitup got lost in his own argument there

The meeting that didn't happen but then it did happen

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:13 PM

137. Who was he talking about? I heard Laura Crap, then I heard Laura Cooper a little further

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Response to Mersky (Reply #137)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:17 PM

144. I had to figure out Borysenko too.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:15 PM

139. listening to suckitup

and i have this image of a pinball careening around in his brain ...
is there a valid point there?
cause i don't get it ..

✌🏼

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Response to dweller (Reply #139)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:16 PM

142. +1, they might as well just read Trump tweets ... they make more sense and that says something

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:15 PM

141. I'm having difficulty

following his argument.

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Response to Mossfern (Reply #141)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:24 PM

153. Is the 'throw it at the wall and see what sticks' defense

So, I’m right there with you. It’s a salad of potential talking points.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:16 PM

143. Okay I just got here (West Coast). WTF is Sekulow on about?

I’ve heard Carter Page, FISA, Ukraine corruption...is this the right room?

Has it all been like this?

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Response to nolabear (Reply #143)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:18 PM

147. It seems to have been like this

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Response to Mossfern (Reply #147)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:20 PM

149. El Salvador? Lebanon? OIC. It was a BUSINESS deal!

Are they going to use this excuse? Of course they are.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #143)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:21 PM

150. Oh we just got a Biden reference

Yes it's been a mess. They are using the "hearsay/no facts" testimonies from the Schiff hearings as part of their defense. At least the second guy did.

Suckitup is going full conspiracy theory.

Oh and "burden sharing"

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Response to underpants (Reply #150)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 01:45 PM

175. Bwah!

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:23 PM

151. TBH, the WH lawyers are doing enough to give

cover to the R senators who plan to vote not to convict Trump and those who want to believe Trump.

I'm kind of surprised the WH lawyers are actually trying to present a semblence of a defense and not just galloping off on CTs and other craziness.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:23 PM

152. Sekulow is all over the place.

It seems like he is reading off an outline of talking points rather than a well crafted legal argument.

Listing instances of holds on foreign aid is a false argument. Foreign aid can be held back for legitimate reasons, but not for the personal and political benefit of the president.



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Response to madaboutharry (Reply #152)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:24 PM

154. "Only one President....Since 2014...has taken effective steps"

Uh, how many Presidents have there BEEN since 2014?

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Response to underpants (Reply #154)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:28 PM

159. President Obama was president in 2014.

So I guess it was just a way of making a gratuitous slight against Obama.

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:28 PM

157. He's done his completely offtopic nonsenical argument - now to Pat Philbin

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:28 PM

158. When do they bring on Whackadoodle Jordan

and Alan Underpants Dershowitz?
I'm hankering some Saturday morning cartoon.

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #158)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:31 PM

164. Hey hey hey

Okay I'll let that one pass

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Response to Mersky (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:30 PM

162. ****** LIVE THREAD 2 is UP *******

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