****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/27/20 THREAD 2****

[BumRushDaShow]

Thread 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212915852

[BumRushDaShow]

1. Ken Starr is currently bullshitting through theories of "impeachment" that have been discredited

almost unanimously by Constitutional scholars.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

3. translation: Let us ignore inconvenient facts and embrace convenient escapes.

[diva77]

27. His strategy: put impeachment on trial. The "age of impeachment" - that's what you do when you got

nuttin'

he thinks he's this but he's really this:

[BumRushDaShow]

41. That statement "age of impeachment" was so ridiculous on its face I was like

[diva77]

46. He hopes it will become a favorite soundbite on wingnut media

and in interviews with rethugs on all media

[Hermit-The-Prog]

2. Doesn't the House still have some time left?

[blaze]

10. No, I don't think so

Just the 16 hour time slot for Senators to ask questions... then the witness question.

I found this a helpful overview:

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/31/787235305/how-a-senate-impeachment-trial-could-work

[Hermit-The-Prog]

13. I don't think they used all of their 24 hours in the 3 days.

[maxsolomon]

20. Their 3 days are over.

Schiff pre-emptively swatted most of this down on Thursday.

They'll come back to it in Senator's questions. There are 47 Dem Senators; they'll have questions to fill 2 days.

[Arkansas Granny]

21. Come to think of it, I've heard more than one reference to "21 hours". It would be good if Democrat

had a chance of rebuttal.

[Mersky]

4. "Idiosyncratic chapter..." Bleh. Let the people decide he says...

Well this citizen knows that tRump is clearly capable of trying to steal my vote with the help of foreign governments, and is just one reason why he needs to be removed.

[Kali]

7. the people ARE deciding - though OUR representatives

asshole

[Mersky]

47. Totally this!

[capechacon]

5. I have one thing to say about Starr's presentation...

WTF??? How can one speaker be so boring, so obtuse and so irrelevant at the same time?

[EndlessWire]

48. I agree. n/t

[asiliveandbreathe]

49. Distraction and contrived..and CJ Roberts used those very same words when he

killed the argument re the census question...and he is sitting right behind these slime buckets...

[madaboutharry]

6. Ken Starr is the 8th grader faking his way through a book report

after not reading the book.

"Well, there was a fish. And this old man. The old man had a little boat.....I think.....but it is a good book...better than a lot of other books. This writer is a good writer and it is nice to read his book. Other books are not as good...."

[Mersky]

14. Or like an old fool lecturing about modesty whilst in his boxer shorts.

[Baitball Blogger]

8. Oh, so funny. He's now talking about the Obstruction charge.

He's claiming that the executive office should have the power to obstruct.

I take it that none of Trump's lawyers are paid by taxpayer money, because that was a problem for Bill Clinton. He had NO client-lawyer privilege information because his lawyers were paid by public money.

[nolabear]

9. I cannot get over the sheer, unmitigated GALL of this asshole.

At least he's boring.

But I swear some of this is just rambling. And I'm GOOD at following rambling.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

11. Moscow Mitch thinks no one will remember Bolton's bombshell

Russiapublicans want voters bored and lulled, not calling to demand witnesses.

[hedda_foil]

12. Now he's saying Pelosi did something wrong. What that something was I can't figure out.

Wait -- it's the Justice Department's fault. Well I can agree that the OLC's opinions run against the constitution and precedent, but that's not what he's trying to say. He's saying the OLC is more important than the House (and presumably the Senate).

[Hermit-The-Prog]

15. wtf? jumps from minority rights to the House took no oath?!?

[backtoblue]

16. Constitution not fair...

Because it allows the House to impeach without an oath of fairness.


He might as well rip the Constitution on live tv...

[Hermit-The-Prog]

23. Ted Cruz had all the Dr. Seuss books checked out. Starr is left with nothin'.

[dchill]

38. If only Ted Cruz had the good sense...

...to read Dr. Seuss.

[nolabear]

17. OIC. An exit ramp. And I STILL can't tie this together. I SWEAR I'm not having a stroke.

[Kali]

18. standing there exercising due process while whining about not getting due process

[SamKnause]

19. Good afternoon BumRushDaShow.

Thanks for the threads.

You always do an excellent job !!!

[kskiska]

22. Even FR is admitting Starr is boring as hell.

[BumRushDaShow]

25. You are welcome!

Historical!

[BumRushDaShow]

24. And Starr's bullshit is complete. Now Suckylow is up.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

29. his logic: Pelosi gave out pens, ergo you must acquit

[Mersky]

37. Foreshadowing of talking points bullshit attacks yet to come

[BumRushDaShow]

44. They have so dumbed down the process

that I am sure that history and government teachers nationwide are afraid to even show this in their classrooms, else they have to spend an inordinate amount of time for the students to "unlearn" what they were shown.

[H2O Man]

26. Recommended.

This is as weak as it gets.

[mobeau69]

40. My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?

[kag]

28. He's mad about the pens??????

[dpibel]

30. LOL. "But her PENS!"

[Gidney N Cloyd]

60. +1

[hedda_foil]

31. He's done. He hasn't said a damn thing that makes constitutional or legal sense, but he's done.

And now Sekulow is accusing the House because Pelosi distributed pens to the Impeachment Managers. And Purpuro is going to be next. Apparently they're going back to the call and the "no pressure" argument.

[EndlessWire]

50. LOL! n/t

[BumRushDaShow]

32. And then Sucky shows a clip of Pelosi and the traditional "ceremonial pens"

that EVERY President hands out and the Speaker does the same when bills are "enrolled" to be sent to the Senate. The media is rarely there when that happens unless it is a major piece of legislation but it is done pretty much for all of them.

[Kali]

33. OMG

PENS!!!


jebus, they got nothing, NOTHING!

[EndlessWire]

52. HaHaHa!!

And it had a clip with it, as proof that she handed out pens!!

What a dreadful defense!

[madaboutharry]

34. Sekulow: "Nancy Pelosi handed out pens!"

They are lost. They have nothing that can defend Trump. All they have is to repeat the lies Trump asserted in his tweets.

[asiliveandbreathe]

68. Thanks for the reminder sukulow - just a beautiful event...

[SamKnause]

35. Stupid fuck Sekulow.

The presidents always give always pens when they sign bills etc.

They are really scrapping the bottom of the barrel.

This has only happened 3 times in the history of this country.

Big fucking deal.

Nancy passed out pens.

Fuck off Sekulow.

[BumRushDaShow]

39. The Speaker does it for pretty much all legislation that is "enrolled"

(and Presidents do it as a matter of course)

For the smaller pieces of legislation, often the constituents may get one of the pens. They are paid for out of taxpayer money. It's just like the flags that fly over the Capitol. They fly a new one every day and the one from the previous day is given away.

[SamKnause]

45. Thanks for all that info.

[Mersky]

43. The pResident is innocent because pens.

Is so stupid it hurts.

[BumRushDaShow]

36. And Suckylow is done and Purpura is up

Talking slow like the rest of them, to fill time.

[crickets]

42. Sekulow power point lie after power point lie

went up on the screen.

-Ukraine did not know about hold until one month after call

-None of Dem's witnesses say Trump linked investigations to sec assistance or meeting

-No Ukraine investigation but they still received assissance and 'a meeting' [Note: assistance let go only after they were caught, still no WHITE HOUSE meeting]

-Trump strengthened US support for Ukraine [with Javelins they can't use on the Russians?]

Wow, that was stunning.

[BumRushDaShow]

51. This guy is an idiot - there STILL has been NO MEETING

and the money HAD to be released because the hold WAS BREAKING THE LAW!

[AncientGeezer]

98. They met last Sept in NY

[BumRushDaShow]

99. NOT in the "Oval Office" / "White House"

They "met on the sidelines" at the U.N. but did not have one of these coveted photo ops (the below was Erdowan) -

[Mersky]

53. Prediction: they will not play one clip from Dr Fiona Hill

As if her clear descriptions of the difference in normal foreign policy and the Sondland/giuliani/OMB shuffling along of tRump’s agenda is not reflected in the very testimonies of the people they’ve already pulled out of context.

Taylor won’t get much air time either.

[crickets]

56. They did manage to find a Hill quote

that says the meeting could have occurred either place, but it was an incomplete quote on a slide, not a video clip. I would love to see the rest of the quote to know if she mentioned that the Oval Office meeting was the one that mattered.

[Mersky]

61. Yeah, I caught that and commented back to myself

Was ridiculous that he emphasized it as some sort of damning thing. Is as controversial as me saying that my cat’s breath smells like cat food. Just dumb.

[Mersky]

59. Oh geez, one still of fifteen seconds of her saying a face to face meeting

Could be a face to face meeting in Poland. Big whoop purpura.

Isn’t the Warsaw meeting the reason VP Pants’ assistant, Williams, needed to file a questionably classified supplement to her testimony. Shouldn’t she be called as a witness?

[crickets]

71. Bingo! They all should. nt

[crickets]

54. Now claiming there were three meeting invitations w/no preconditions

All were polite noises with no firm date. Staff requests for WH meetings with firm dates were rebuffed as we heard in testimony.

"It takes time, everyone was busy, there was a hurricane..." Whinging on about a Warsaw meeting when the White House meeting in the Oval Office was the real point.

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

55. Just hammering the trump humpers over the head

Look over there president trump is so good and looks out for all of you.

They are actually ignoring the elephant in the room.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

57. correction: ignoring the pile of elephant dung in the room

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

64. Yup

[backtoblue]

58. Purpura noting differences in Sondland and Volker's testimony

Makes the case we need additional, first hand witnesses imho....

[crickets]

62. Intelligence Committee is tweeting rebuttals as fast as they can.

They do have some catching up to do, but here's the link:

https://twitter.com/houseintel

Also, Wonkette does a good job with rebuttals as well.

[BumRushDaShow]

65. I know they have their work cut out for them

[crickets]

69. The lies and half-truths do come thick and fast. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

63. Purpura ignores the fact that we left Zelensky to the sharks

and he was forced to meet with and attempt to negotiate with Putin.

[BumRushDaShow]

66. ****15 MINUTE RECESS****

[Hermit-The-Prog]

74. Recess? They haven't been playing all this time?

[BumRushDaShow]

75. They gotta hit the bar

[crickets]

67. Clip of Stefanik making noises about Trump sending 'lethal' aid when Obama did not-

Ignoring that Zelensky wasn't elected at that time and his predecessor had an admin we couldn't trust, and ignoring that the Javelins we sent couldn't actually be used to defend against the Russians.

I have not missed her.

[Vinca]

70. But Obama, but Obama, but Obama. They drive me nuts. It's got nothing to do with it.

[IcyPeas]

72. Pens?

jake tapper is also saying it was a mistake for pelosi to have given out those pens..... even though there is precedent for it....

i don't understand why.....

[Miles Archer]

73. Thanks for the threads, BumRushDaShow. I bailed as soon as Mitch took the podium.

I'm OK with getting the recaps here. Could not handle the broadcast.

[BumRushDaShow]

78. LOL

It actually ain't that bad. I am glad that the clown show of GYMSUIT AND MOO MOO and GRATES ain't up there. THAT would be completely unwatchable.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

76. OT: stepped out to work on wife's car, stepped in big pile of trump ...

It's from an English mastiff, so it's a significant pile. Almost as big and nasty a pile of trump as Junior's head. Still scraping trump off my shoe.

[BumRushDaShow]

79. ...

ETA -->

[Hermit-The-Prog]

81. takes 10 or 15 flushes!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

77. Schumer refuting them ALL. (abc showing hall talk)

[crickets]

80. Senator on MSNBC (Independent, Angus King) saying witnesses

are much more likely, that given the 'Bolton bombshell' the prospect of calling no witnesses would be ridiculous. He thinks there may be as many as 10 senators who will vote *at least* for Bolton if not more witnesses.

He said there were definite rumblings, and seemed sincere. Interesting.

[BumRushDaShow]

82. ****BACK IN SESSION****

[Hermit-The-Prog]

90. Thanks for doing these, BumRushDaShow!

Running in and out today and just catching bits of it since Starr's droning.

[BumRushDaShow]

83. Turtle indicated that they would probably go straight until 6 pm and break

(I wouldn't be surprised if the ended for the day :chuckle

[IcyPeas]

84. I hate the word "robust"

that is all.

[BumRushDaShow]

86. ....

[BumRushDaShow]

85. New person handed off to - Jane Raskin

[elleng]

88. lauding guiliani.

[BumRushDaShow]

91. It ain't gonna work

There is so much stuff that has been put out there about Gholiani, let alone where Ghouliani has slimed himself.

[crickets]

92. Oh, the praises she sings of Rudy.

Seques right into claiming election shenanigans with Russia are the real conspiracy theory and *barf* the condescension level just ratcheted up to 11.

eta Are they really going to try to make Rudy Giuliani some sort of shining star in all of this? Unbelievable. Literally.

[BumRushDaShow]

87. Now we have a cliche lawyer

And she is trying to polish the turd.

[elleng]

89. and changing the 'subject.'

[BumRushDaShow]

93. There is no way anyone can put lipstick on the Ghouliani pig including this lawyer

Ghouliani was such a prolific presence on TV that his "testimony" was out there for all to see regarding his doing shake downs, hanging out with with slimy figures like Parnas and Furman, and manufacturing CT.

[BumRushDaShow]

94. ****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/27/20 THREAD 3**** UP

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212916812

[malaise]

96. Have you seen this - it would explain their rush and their

refusal to mention the Bolton bombshell.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212915610

[BumRushDaShow]

97. Just posted over there

Always a method to their madness.

[Mersky]

95. Gah, the republicans use of projection is so tired

Shiny objects to distract from the holes in your case, she said.

...

WTH was the video evidence of legislators holding pens?! Literally involved shiny objects as a topic of distraction.