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[FiveGoodMen]

1. That's what "ANY Dem is good enough, just no GOP" gets us

[mysteryowl]

2. True.

[calguy]

5. Would you rather have a republican Senator sit in that seat?

[mysteryowl]

6. No, but we need dems to vote with dems

[calguy]

12. I think he does vote with Dems most of the time

From a practical standpoint, since there is virtually no chance of conviction, then a vote to acquit might be his safest play, since a vote to convict won't change the outcome and only piss off his constituents.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

32. You mean one that would vote to acquit?

Yeah, that would suck.

[Demsrule86]

20. We are lucky to have Manchin and if he loses or retires...we won't win another senator for

decades if at all. You need 50 Senators for a majority if you hold the White House...51 if you don't hold the White House.

[Bananaluver]

29. That is what winning the district looks like. He has already admitted he is considering

changing to Republican. But it does give us one more seat, and that is about it. Better than absolutely nothing with one less on our side, and one more on their side.

[jcgoldie]

3. I dont know where you heard that but...

Manchin was interviewed on MSNBC this morning and he did not say that at all. He argued pretty strongly in favor of witnesses and evidence.

[mysteryowl]

9. That is what I heard about the witnesses, but in that same interview, apparently,

he talked about voting for acquittal. I did not hear the interview.

[calguy]

4. Hope he doesn't, I can understand why we would

A vast majority of the people he represents want acquittal. He's in just as much of a spot as Susan Collins and Cory Gardner.

[getagrip_already]

7. I would bet a new truck that if he was the deciding vote, he would vote to convict....

Yes, solidarity is great. Yes, trump is an absolute disaster and we need him out of office asap.

Hopefully, he will simply vote present. But we need that seat to unseat mcconnel. It isn't a sure thing. If he does nothing more than survive to provide a dem majority in the senate, then he has done a good job.

[Cicada]

24. I agree. Why lose votes for zero benefit?

[evertonfc]

8. He's in a bind.

If he votes in favor of- he's dead man walking.

[underpants]

10. Yeah especially with the coming "Vexit"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212921911

He really is in a bind.

[maxsolomon]

11. Did you know he JUST got re-elected in 2018?

He's in there until 2024. He can vote however he wants. WV won't remember.

[mikewv]

14. Agree (nm)

[muriel_volestrangler]

15. That sounds like a very good argument to vote to convict

If, god forbid, Trump gets back in, Americans will be utterly sick of him by 2024, whatever they think know (imagine Trump without the need to get re-elected ... ugh ...), and being able to say "I saw he was corrupt" would be a lot better than "I left him in power". If Trump loses this year, you just have to make sure the Democrat's term goes well.

[exboyfil]

16. Great point

I see every vote to acquit tying that individual to the future behavior and success or failure of Trump. If Trump is well liked in WVa in 2024, then Manchin is out on his ear anyway.

I am hoping every no vote is like being shackled to a corpse.

[Demsrule86]

18. That is not true...Manchin is very well liked in WVA...and will stay...we won't

get another Dem elected there and we need the Senate.

[Tanuki]

13. As of a half hour ago, CNN was only reporting that he has not ruled it out,

and I have not seen anywhere that he "will" vote to acquit. Please give a citation if you have a reliable source. We all "hear" all kinds of things. My source:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/01/28/politics/joe-manchin-doug-jones-gary-peters-impeachment-vote/index.html

[Demsrule86]

17. We don't have enough votes for conviction...so why risk the Manchin seat Or other

vulnerable seats? We won't get rid of Trump. Now if something happens and that changes you watch Manchin will vote with us.

[muriel_volestrangler]

21. I can't match this reply up with your #18

Is he "very well liked and will stay", or is he vulnerable?

I think that if any Democrat votes to acquit him, the Republicans will use that mercilessly - saying that even Democrats consider him innocent. It gives horrible cover to any Republican up for re-election this year. If Machin needs something to happen now, he's either a coward, a dolt, or a Republican disguised as a Democrat. Proably at least 2 of those.

[Demsrule86]

35. I do believe he will stay but not if he votes to impeach Trump.

He would be is toast. WVA worships Trump...no reason to risk it. We need his seats...I should have made it clear that if he doesn't vote to impeach Trump he stays but not if he votes to impeach Trump...if we had the votes I think he would vote for us though.

[Drunken Irishman]

41. Plenty of well-liked politicians lose.

Utah had a well-liked Democratic senator, Frank Moss, who lost to Orrin Hatch after serving nearly 20 years in the senate

Manchin won reelection 49.6% to 46.3%, or basically a margin of three-points. It was the closest reelection of any incumbent who won in 2018.

Trump's approval is 60% in WV according to the most recent poll.

I still hope Manchin votes for what is right but it would not surprise me if he voted purely political and it would probably be the smart thing to do if he wanted to position himself for reelection in four years.

[Zolorp]

19. If he voted to convict it would likely be his last term as Senator.

You will never EVER get a more liberal Senator from West Virginia.

You take the vote for Schumer as majority leader and you move on.

[Johonny]

22. I imagine he'll split 50/50 then he can appease both sides

And say he didn't remove the president from office, because obviously he's still in office. Obviously the more conservatives vote for one article the more cover it gives deep Red State Democrats. The theory is not Republicans will vote yes, but it's far from certain at this point. We just know Mitch has enough to prevent 67...

[FiveGoodMen]

25. I wonder if we could do something similar with law enforcement

Case comes to trial, judge weighs whether conviction will be popular, guilt or innocence decided on the spot.

[Demsrule86]

37. This is a political process not a trial. And we have to consider our future in the Senate...if we

could win the day, I would be all in for his vote, but we won't. Losing the Seat would make it near impossible to have a Senate majority.

[mcar]

23. From whom?

I heard him on MSNBC this morning saying he wouldn't decide until the process is complete.

[dewsgirl]

26. Jones might. I read about him and Manchin the other day.

[lapfog_1]

27. Even one Dem voting to acquit

allows Trump and his minions to claim "Bipartisan Exoneration".

[Demsrule86]

40. It doesn't matter. He will claim it no matter what. And we need a senate majority.

[lapfog_1]

42. He can't claim "Bipartisan"

if all the Dems and Independents vote to convict.

There is no chance, even if Bolton testifies that Trump pulled a gun on him in the Oval and told him to commit this crime, that Trump will be removed from office. So that means of course he is going to say he was exonerated.

[Demsrule86]

43. No one cares except us...and we shouldn't. It is more important to get the Senate and keep it.

[MagickMuffin]

28. Where you getting this info?

Apparently before I accept your comment how about telling us where you got this source of information.

[Demonaut]

45. bs, no references, just a quick statement with no links...weak

[Polybius]

47. Maybe here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212909639

[wishstar]

30. He definitely did not say that this morning on MSNBC, just that he would vote for witnesses

He was very strong this morning about need for witnesses for final verdict

[stillcool]

31. I heard that Trump & Co...

were trying to court a Democrat to vote with them, and Manchin was who they were targeting.

[LanternWaste]

33. Can you share your source with us?

[lark]

34. I didn't hear that from his this morning.

He seemed like he wanted witnesses, that is not acquitting, at least not at this point. Yes, he is a DINO, but really hope he doesn't do that and he didn't seem to be leaning that way from what I heard - although I admit I missed a few minutes of it, so not totally sure.

If we have real testimony not blocked by drumpf/Roberts from Bolton, drumpf goes down to the ground flaming out.

[djg21]

36. Feinstein may be on the fence too.

“ Nine months left to go, the people should judge. We are a republic, we are based on the will of the people — the people should judge. That was my view and it still is my view.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/01/28/feinstein-says-la-times-misunderstood-her-stance-of-acquitting-trump/4602585002/

[pnwmom]

38. This story has already been discredited. Just because she thinks the people should judge does NOT

believe she will vote against the impeachment, which would be her duty in the face of evidence.

And her people will certainly be telling her to vote for removal.

[Sunsky]

39. From? Source? Nt

[Polybius]

48. This was all I could find:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212909639

[Demonaut]

44. I heard the opposite, site references if you have them which I suspect you do not

or is this trolling?

[H2O Man]

46. oh