****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/29/20 THREAD 7****

[BumRushDaShow]

Thread 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212924433
Thread 2 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212924891
Thread 3 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212925266
Thread 4 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212925685
Thread 5 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212926039
Thread 6 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212926527

[BumRushDaShow]

1. Sheldon Whitehouse question to WH counsel demanding he answer the question about when

What did the President say, when and to whom regarding the Biden investigation.

Philbin is STILL not answering the question and he mumbled something about stuff that may have been said "in private".

[RANDYWILDMAN]

4. blah blah blah

he's know he can't aswer the question, because the truth would suck for him !!!!

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2. The Executive Branch is still trying to invalidate the Legislative process

This is Bannon's fantasy.

[napi21]

3. So NOW the precident that the Pubs are saying staates the full house had to vote beefore a valid

subpoena can be issued was beecausse it was done that way in ALL impeachments! WOW ALL OF 2 TIMES!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

7. House failed to do magic incantations required by Phull-o-bull

[pangaia]

5. thank you for your many threads

every time i see a new one i try to watch..
or sometimes i just click on it to see what's up.....

but within a minute or 2 i throw up and have to cut it off.

but keep up the good work Bumrush----

[Hermit-The-Prog]

6. Biden! Burisma! dogs sleeping with cats! will no one think of the squirrels!

[BumRushDaShow]

8. Q. (Hawley, Cruz, etc) - to House first. Biden question re: Shokin and ethics advice

(this from someone whose own President has ignored EVERY ethics advice that was given and the ethics guy resigned )

They're whole bullshit is literally a slight-of-hand. Do what I say and not what I do.

[5X]

9. wish someone could say "I object" and have a judicial ruling

about these inane questions about Biden.

[BumRushDaShow]

10. Demmings responding - noting that it was documented that Shokin was a corrupt prosecutor

who didn't investigate corruption. So anything he ever said should not be trusted. So the removal of Shokin would mean that Burisma WOULD BE investigated. And then the Bidens were not involved when this was happening.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

11. cc can't handle truth -- stopped as Demings began to speak :)

[BumRushDaShow]

12. Q. Kaine to House Managers - Doesn't Drumpf's mention of Ghouliani's name establish the purpose

of the call?

[Hermit-The-Prog]

13. dream team: have Colludy Rudy testify, then trumPutin testify and compare

[BumRushDaShow]

14. Nadler response - established Ghouliani's key role in executing the pressure/smear campaigns

for the President. Not meddling in an election - meddling in an investigation.

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15. Q (Rubio, et al) -To Dershowitz - How can one remove a President if there is such a divide by party?

[BumRushDaShow]

16. And now Dershowitz fabrications...

[nolabear]

19. Jesus, Dershowitz...😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Hermit-The-Prog]

17. and now we get the Dershowtz dance again

[oasis]

23. Dersh's argument about Trump's "dual-motives" was embarrassingly

weak. He can't be serious!

No wonder Alan has a hard time getting invites to cocktail parties.

[C_U_L8R]

18. Captain Underpants is so disingenuous.

Even his underwear is corrupt. Ick.

[BumRushDaShow]

20. Q. Klobachar - Was on the impeachment trial for a judge - 26 witnesses were heard, 17 had not been

heard in the House. What is different about that versus hearing no witnesses for a President's trial?

[BumRushDaShow]

21. Schiff response-How is it possible that time of the Senate could be occupied for a judge impeachment

and is no problem but if the same is asked for a President, then it would take too much time.

[napi21]

22. Schiff slamming DT's lawyers for using such an argument. Bet they're thrilled! n/t

[BumRushDaShow]

24. Q, What is the diffrence between the impeachment of a judge and a President?

[BumRushDaShow]

25. Dershowitz is an idiot - a "President is irreplaceable"

meaning the Vice President doesn't exist - AND the Amendments to the Constitution that describe the succession of power don't exist.

Lala land.

[BumRushDaShow]

26. Q. (short) President claimed that it was "okay" to invite foreign involvement in the elections or

for investigations and that has to be illegal.

[BumRushDaShow]

27. And Philbin bullshitted the answer.

[MFGsunny]

28. Another 8 hours tomorrow??????????????????????

soooooooo many feelings

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29. ****15 MINUTE RECESS - until 10PM ET****

[Hermit-The-Prog]

30. PBS talked to Angus King ...

King praised Klobuchar's question about 26 witnesses for judge impeachment, 0 for president -- "It doesn't pass the straight face test". Then he went on to poke fun at the notion that the impeachment is keeping the Senate from its business. Said he about fell out of his chair. "We haven't done a lot of business in the Senate."

[BumRushDaShow]

31. ****BACK IN SESSION****

[elleng]

32. RESUME

[BumRushDaShow]

33. Q. (Loefler + other Rs) - As a fact witness handling the whistleblower, is that not a process issue?

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34. Philbin back to the fabrication about the whistleblower and the Intelligence Committee

[Takket]

35. you don't get to question the whistleblower's "motive"

the whistleblower's claims are reviewed by the IG who determines if they are valid and worthy of consideration or not. in short their motivation is not relevant because the CLAIM itself is validated before it is submitted.

[crickets]

44. You and your logic.

If they can't out the whistleblower, they'll try to discredit and claim bias instead - anything but a discussion of the facts.

[bdamomma]

36. I put the

remote on mute when a tag team of repig Senators ask the pResidents counsel a stupid question l know it's going to be a duzy.

[BumRushDaShow]

37. Q. (Peters D-MI) - Can an impeached corrupt plan accutally succeed?

[Takket]

38. does anyone know when the vote on witnesses is?

[Kali]

42. pretty sure it will be Friday

[Karma13612]

39. Philbin lies

And no chance for House Managers to rebutt unless the next question is open ended.
This can’t be fair.

[BumRushDaShow]

40. Lofgren - describing how an "attempt" to succeed at a criminal act

does not make it okay.

[Mersky]

41. Slide: pRESIDENT tRUMP MUST BE REMOVED: NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW

- Used powers of office to solicit foreign interference

- pResident tRump conditioned military aid and a WH meeting on political investigations

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- Grave consequences

- The pResident remains an ongoing threat

- Acting cHief of sTaff Mulvaney:
- “Get Over It”

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Originally given as side by side columns

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43. Lofgren - noting that during the impeachment, Ghouliani was still travelling to Ukraine

and digging up dirt and contacting the President.

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45. Q. Baraso (Risch, Pauly, Moran) Can the Senate convict a President for exercising his

Constitutional rights.

[Kali]

46. yeah that's it

[Miles Archer]

49. Trump atty cites Turley and Derschowitz, saying the House charges themselves are unconstitutional

They are really, really moving for a dismissal, rather than a convict / do not convict vote.

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47. Philbin bullshitting on that leading question because what was done

was NOT a "Constitutional right".

[Takket]

48. "can the president be removed from office for exercising their constitutional powers"

what kind of stupid ass question is that? LOL the whole point of this is that he abused his power for personal gain. he doesn't have a constitutional power to do that.

[crickets]

55. Exactly, but the question was worded that way on purpose to allow for the BS argument. nt

[bdamomma]

50. rinse and repeat

again and again and again Repigs questions being asked. They really want a dictatorship don't they??

No man is above the law.

Crap these lawyers can go to hell.

[elleng]

52. they're kissing tr's a**, sad if not so damaging.

[crickets]

51. How is ignoring the will of Congress by withholding approved aid to a foreign power

in order to force that foreign power to announce an investigation into a political opponent considered to be 'exercising Constitutional powers?' Wha? The question itself should have been thrown out.

[C_U_L8R]

53. The defense's argument for a unitary dictatorship makes me ill.

These people really seem to hate humanity.

[BumRushDaShow]

54. No dumbass. This is not a parliamentary system

And it wouldn't be one based on the how the branches are divided and how the President is elected vs where the parties SELECT a PM.

What YOU want is a monarchy.

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56. Q. Previous answers was that accepting things of value was okay - based on propganda spread

by Russia on social media. Shouldn't we do everything we can with our intelligence agencies, to prevent foreign interference in our elections.

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57. WH is now arguing that it's okay to ask for a foreign power to interfere

Began with nothing to see here, then okay we did that because we made it policy. Remarkable lowering of the bar - as long as it is in his re-election interest by claiming it is in the U.S. interest and beyond the reach of the Constitution, then it is not impeachable.

[crickets]

64. This is blatantly contradicting the Constitution.

A social studies student can see through the lies. Good for Schiff calling it corruption so forcefully.

I have only checked in now and again because this format has my BP soaring, so hats off in admiration for everyone who has stuck with it.

[bdamomma]

67. Yes

BumDaRush you are a gem to do this. You have a strong stomach.

[BumRushDaShow]

58. A failed scheme does not make it okay.

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59. Schiff - "That's what they call policy but that is what I call corruption."

[napi21]

60. Good response from Adam! nt

[bdamomma]

61. Susan Collins

question. Hakeem is answering.

[C_U_L8R]

62. Adam Schiff is perhaps the most patriotic person in our land.

What a hero. I just love his passion for truth and righteousness.

Correction. I love all the house managers. They are doing such a great job.

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63. Q. Collins to House Managers - Articles asserted that the President committed bribery

and if so, why were the criminal citations not included in the articles.

[elleng]

65. How many questions has Collins (ME) asked?

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66. Jeffries - responding. Summarizing the issue - pressuring of Ukraine for personal benefit

Now citing Dershowitz said - a criminal violation *or* something AKIN to one. And the "akin" is what happened in this case.

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68. Q Gilibrand (Kasim Murphy, Rosen) - how was this different from other holds on foreign assistance

and how is assistance to foreign countries supposed to work.

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69. Jason Crow responding - this is not how normal processes work

We have no documents to show that others were aware of the holds.

Compare to Obama's - Congress was TOLD of the hold and why. Never for personal interest. Even previous holds by Drumpfs - for Afghanistan and Central America - they were publicly announced and everyone was in the loop. But this instance was different.

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70. Crow noted that OMB staff in the regular chain in approvals had never had an appointee

interfere with the financial process.

[BumRushDaShow]

71. Q. Blount (et al) - What do framers say about the threshhold for impeachment

[BumRushDaShow]

72. ....

[dweller]

81. but derder is all

✌🏼

[IcyPeas]

73. Question from McCaskill.... ooops McSally

[BumRushDaShow]

74. WTF? Now he is arguing if you don't have 67 votes beforehand

then don't bother with the impeachment.

[bdamomma]

75. I get it

and we have seen all the evidence and heard from witnesses. This is really disgusting that they want this POS to be a dictator.

The Constitution is being shredded by these thugs.

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76. Turtle - 2 more questions by each side left.

[Kali]

77. WTF??!!!

don't vote the way you should vote because there isn't a supermajority anyway???? what a fucking fucker!!!

[Karma13612]

80. Yup, you heard right! He is a total joke----nt

[Karma13612]

78. Dershowitz is out of his mind with his poor

Logic.

So, don’t vote for conviction unless you know it will be a supermajority.

Gawd

[Greywing]

89. He really is nuts! Don't any of these idiots know if their interpretation of

the constitution is correct the next president could have them investigated and thrown in jail? Just claim national security issue or interfering in some kind of presidential prerogative or whatever a POTUS wants to claim and they're done? They are just so stupid ...

Weaponization? That's what this so called defense team is trying to justify right now!

[Karma13612]

104. Yea, totally pathetic.

But, it’s finally over for tonight!
Time for sleep and another session to face tomorrow!

Have a good night

[Greywing]

109. You too

[elleng]

79. 4 questions left.

[BumRushDaShow]

82. Q. Murphy - The House has said they would abide by Chief Justice rulings on witnesses and docs

and would the WH counsel do the same?

[napi21]

84. Looks like the answer is NO! nt

[BumRushDaShow]

83. Suckylow refused to agree.

[BumRushDaShow]

85. Q. Wicker to Dershowitz - What danger does this impeachment impose to our citizens?

[C_U_L8R]

90. No impeachment - may mean no election at all.

Dershowitz is cynically selling out the country. Nothing will stop Trump when he is emboldened and powered with absolute immunity.

[bdamomma]

86. Suckylow

was out of his fucking mind.

And now this question being asked our names "the American people" was invoked, when they have no idea what we think.

Did anyone hear that question, what is this action going to


What specific danger does this impeachment pose to our republic, to its citizens?

[Kali]

87. threats, fear, don't do what is right because nut jobs are going to have a shit fit

shut up, underwearman

[BumRushDaShow]

88. Dershowitz.

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91. Q. Sinema to WH counsel - if the admin notified Congress about holds in Afghanistan and Pakistan

in 2019 and they were told why. But why was Congress not notified about the hold for Ukraine and what steps would be needed to resolve?

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92. Philbin now going to attempt to dodge the question

and now he is botching about "sending a signal" And now back to "burden sharing".

[Kali]

93. good question by Sinema

evil Bill Nye now saying the secrecy was a benefit. jeebus they are so shameless

[dweller]

94. i'm done, they've blinded me with

bs



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95. Now Philbin is making shit up.

[BumRushDaShow]

96. Q. Young/Brown to House - was what was submitted overwhelming enough to have brought this to trial

[NanceGreggs]

97. Listening to ...

... the "IMpResident's" lawyer's responses today, I've gone from to to to to

[Greywing]

100. I've tried to keep a sense of humor as they are really horrible

I'm just so angry that they are allowed to stand there and lie and lie and lie!

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98. Schiff responding - if the House followed what they are asking, then they would be told

it was invalid because it would be 2 charges. The House was going to charge Constitutional crimes ("abuse" of power).

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99. Suckylow won't answer the question about witnesses.

[Greywing]

107. Of course he won't .... doesn't like what he is hearing from House managers

because they make sense and none of tRump defenders do.

Can you imagine saying a Chief Justice's subpoena is not valid and the Chief Justice is sitting right there? The utter gall!

[BumRushDaShow]

101. Turtle - adjourning

[elleng]

102. Adjourned

[BumRushDaShow]

103. ***ADJOURNED UNTIL THURSDAY 1PM ET JAN. 30, 2020***

[Mersky]

105. What was that phil said a few mins ago? Wasn't withheld to send a signal?

Hmm? Wasn’t a signal? NO SIGNAL? No clear POLICY SIGNALS? Hmmm?

Was he just pulling that outta the air?

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That wouldn’t hold up to real scrutiny, would it?

[BumRushDaShow]

106. Thank you all who had the stomach to stay with the threads and help contribute!!

[crickets]

110. Thank you for all of the threads

and to everyone for the running commentary!

[Mersky]

111. Thank you! BRDS!

I just don’t know how you do it. I’ll be in here from the start tomorrow.

[bdamomma]

108. Good night all

call your Reps and Senators we need witnesses and documents to conduct a fair trial.

Thanks again BumRushDaShow.