****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/30/20 THREAD 5****

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Thread 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212928625
Thread 2 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212929057
Thread 3 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212929614
Thread 4 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212930044

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1. Suckylow refuses to accept Chief Justice's ability to resolve issues of materiality

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2. Schiff responses - Of course the Chief Justice is Constitutionally able to intervene

Schiff discussing their proposal... Trust the Chief Justice to make a fair judgement of materiality of a witness.

[underpants]

7. Nice move

Deference to him over the Warren slight earlier today.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

3. Schiff is goading them about witnesses.

[gademocrat7]

6. Adam Schiff rocks!

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4. Q. Tillis/Cruz - to House Managers - back to the CT with Bidens and Kerry's stepson

[underpants]

5. CNN Lamar Alexander (dinner with Murkowski) will make his announcement tonight.

After the questions are over.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

8. announcement? about what?

[underpants]

11. Witnesses or no witnesses

If she doesn't go with him it could be a tie.

[Mersky]

30. Wow. Noted.

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9. Schiff - Why this is smear, with the President is doing this to smear Joe Biden

The Prosecutor was corrupt. The sham was that Biden followed U.S. policy and European countries.

This is all Russian intelligence propaganda.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

10. Schiff not letting 'em off the hook -- Russian propaganda

[Mersky]

12. "Is a russian propaganda coup is what it is."

Schiff telling them what is on the line when senators feed into the Burisma CT smears.

[Turbineguy]

41. Schiff is trying to ruin

Russia's biggest intel operation ever.

The Republicans are trying to save it.

[Mersky]

53. Yes, nailed it.

[crickets]

59. Name and shame it. Go Adam Schiff. nt

[Mersky]

79. All while maintaining decorum.

Schiff is so good like that!

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13. Q. Wyden/Menedez/Brown to House - WH counsel argues based on corruption but based on

Bolton and Barr - the President as asked for personal favors - e.g., Trump Towers Istanbul. Plus issues with the Turkish State Bank.

[Mersky]

37. There was a lot in that question. Here's a rough transcribing:

pResident’s counsel has argued that the pResident’s actions are based on his desire to root out corruption. However, new reporting indicates that barr and former national security adviser Bolton, shared concerns that the pResident was granting personal favors to autocratic leaders like the pResident of Turkey. The pResident has also acknowledged his private business interest in the country like tRump towers in Istanbul. The treasury dept has not denied that the pResident directed Treasury and DOJ to intervene in the criminal investigation of the Turkish state owned bank, which has been accused of a scheme to evade Iranian sanctions. Has the pResident engaged in a pattern of conduct which he places his personal and political interests above the national security interest of the United States?

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Taken from CSPAN transcript here: (will post when video link is available from 06:47:40)

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45. Thanks - I knew that was a long question

but it was also putting that whole thing into the Congressional record!!!!

[Mersky]

74. Sure, my ears perked up. I'll just place these articles about tRump turkey mess in the record here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/01/28/trump-actions-that-raised-even-barrs-eyebrows-according-john-bolton/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-11/u-s-inquiry-into-turkish-bank-inflamed-erdogan-then-went-quiet

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Lol, now I understand the political cartoon from today depicting tRump as turkey - wasn’t just leftover from Thanksgiving.

[crickets]

82. Thanks for the links! nt

[Mersky]

90. Happy to, and thank you for being in here!

[LEW]

14. Quick question

what time does the questioning end tonight?

[BumRushDaShow]

16. No idea. There was 8 hours set aside

and they have had about 1.5 hours or so of a break so far. From 1pm ET + 8hrs (no break) would be 9 pm ET so figure maybe by 10 pm ET? (as I understand there were a set amount of questions initially so they had less to go through today than yesterday)

[LEW]

17. Thanks.....

[underpants]

26. 2 more hours.

From when the started after the dinner break.

CNN says Lamar Alexander (R-TN) will announce his decision on witnesses after the questions. He had dinner with Murkowski.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

15. Jeffries sounds a little hoarse

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18. Jeffries - re-emphasizing that there were no challenges regarding "corruption" that anyone was aware

of regarding Ukraine until this year...

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19. trumPutin loves corruption. it's his/their natural habitat.

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20. Q. Collins/Rubio/Risch - to House Managers - Why did the House withdraw the Kupperman subpoena?

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21. Susie Concern Collins has a concern question

and local PBS just interrupted for Judy Woodruff's face time

[underpants]

28. PBS needs to STFU with their station ID's

We know what we are listening to.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

33. it takes Woodruff forever to say we're continuing our coverage

[underpants]

39. And then the local station

I have this set as a station I know what the hell it is.

[BeyondGeography]

22. The Senator from Maine has quite a voice

Oy.

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23. Schiff - Explained they first "invited", and if they refused then subpoenaed

And when Kupperman was subpoenaed, he immediately filed suit. Did not want to go through a years-long process.

Offered that they could have piggybacked on McGahn case and they said no.

[underpants]

24. My casting of Philbin

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25. Schiff - Why was Fiona Hill wiling to testify but her boss Kupperman wasn't?

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27. Q. Hirono to House Managers - Can you talk about what happens to whistleblowers when outed

including when you have a President trying to bully and threaten impeachment witnesses?

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29. Schiff - noting the difference between regular whistleblowers and those who are

intelligence whistleblowers. The former can go public and have a press conference where the latter - the intelligence ones - cannot go public.

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31. Schiff: Intell whistleblowers can NOT go public with what they know; we need them.

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32. Q. Blunt/Hawley/Wicker/Capito - What is the role of the President to safeguard taxpayer money

going to foreign countries?

[underpants]

34. Pivots

Romney - seems + witnesses
Collins -......well... you know I'm concerned. Not counting on her
Alexander - announcing on witnesses when the questions are done
Murkowski

Here's the key. MANCHIN. He can save himself with a NO on witnesses. Don't be surprised if he kills it regardless of the Republicans.

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38. Manchin earlier said yes on witnesses

[Roland99]

54. What? When? Heard nothing of that all day

[Hermit-The-Prog]

58. saw a GD post about it zip down the page as gloom and doom raced up page

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70. found it ...

Manchin just now on Cuomo (CNN).... he's a "YES" for Witnesses

[Roland99]

76. Whew! Thanks

[Hermit-The-Prog]

80. Welcome!

[Mersky]

88. Whew. Hope he comes through!

Thanks for posting!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

77. link to Manchin report ...

Manchin just now on Cuomo (CNN).... he's a "YES" for Witnesses

[underpants]

96. Okay

I thank my Uncle for some of this. That's all I can say.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

35. Cipollone continues lies about president excluded from House proceedings

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36. Cippycup - can't have a different standard depending on party

(ignoring that Dershowitz and Graham completely CHANGED their "standards" from Clinton to Drumpf)

[Hermit-The-Prog]

40. Exactly! video clips show 180 turnabout by Dersh and Graham

[crickets]

67. +1

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42. Q. Angus King - to WH counsel - Is it permissable for the President to withhold military funding

from Israel if the PM didn't come to the U.S. to charge the President's rival with anti-semitism?

[underpants]

44. Great question

[H2O Man]

47. It was wild!

[MFGsunny]

48. Spot on

[Hermit-The-Prog]

51. you'd never guess the question from listening to Philbin (not) answer

[underpants]

43. KING.

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46. Philbin whatabout BidenBurismaObama!

[H2O Man]

50. No, that would be wrong.

(Sorry, just talking to myself about wishing Roberts would jump down and slap Philbin.)

[Hermit-The-Prog]

56. It's almost as if someone asked Philbin something about Biden!Burisma!Obama!

[H2O Man]

61. I suspect that

pne of two things has happen: Philbin has been replaced by a robot, or has died, his corpse freeze-dried, and a tape recorder placed in his mouth.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

65. LOL! It's Pence in a Philbin suit!

[H2O Man]

69. That's it!

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49. To Philbin

[underpants]

52. Philbin's nose is red. He's insulting a US Senator. And he's stumbling over his answer

[MFGsunny]

66. Maybe too much hootch at dinner hour or the cloak room.

As outstandingly awful as he has been throughout this session,
his whole face should be on an infinite loop of

[PatSeg]

85. I was wondering if I was the only

one who noticed his red nose!

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55. Q. Reporting from Bolton's book - the aid would not be released unless the investigation proceeded.

Why can't Bolton be called in as a witness?

[underpants]

57. Murkowski- Bolton. Why not call Bolton? Uh oh.

[underpants]

60. Philbin - the House should have done it. This impeachment is the new normal.

His face is getting redder.

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62. I thought I had heard him say Murkowski but wasn't sure

since I think it was the D's turn for questioning.

(I think she was sortof with Collins to possibly call for witnesses)

[underpants]

63. "The GREATEST Impeachment ever" he is now telling the Senate what they shouldn't do. Admonishing

[Mossfern]

64. In other words....

"We won't call them because they didn't."
He is so disingenuous, it's amazing.

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68. Q. Schatz/Whitehouse/Heinrich - for both. Can anyone not admit that King's hypothetical was wrong?

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71. Schiff - going back to WH justifying Drumpf's personal business interests in Turkey with their

autocratic leader and that not being impeachable.

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72. Philbin just threw Drumpf under the bus!!!

Wasn't our party - it was the President who denied access to witnesses/docs.

[crickets]

81. Philbin has lost any veneer of impartiality of tone.

He insulted Schiff and is starting to get openly nasty, not just condescending. Also noticing the red face. Hmm.

[MFGsunny]

84. WHAT??????????????????????????????????

Rut roh.

Does somebody on the repuke side already know
there's enough votes FOR having witnesses???

Maybe Alexander and Murkowski gave a tell.

Let this be more than my desperate wishful thinking.

[crickets]

73. Schiff: a 'trial' with no witnesses should not be the new normal. Bad precedent. nt

[Hermit-The-Prog]

75. wtH is Philbin nattering about? was there a question related to it?

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78. Kennedy - to WH counsel - Has the House investigated the comment by Shokin blaming

his interest in Burisma for his removal... <insert CT>

[Hermit-The-Prog]

83. Somehow, the BidenBurismaObamaHillary-bot is responsible! Also, strawberries.

[crickets]

86. Shokin was fired for his *lack of interest* in investigating Burisma. nt

[Hermit-The-Prog]

87. somehow PHilbin weaves Steele back into the BidenBurismaObama tapestry of Putineers

[underpants]

89. Rudy's "tips" in the fall of 2018 was Peter Schweitzer's book published in March 2019

That's where all this Biden nonsense comes from. Turtle is in it too.

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91. Q. Peters/Cornyn - both parties - How would verdict alter the balance of power between the Executive

and legislative?

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92. Cippycup - blah blah process process - removing a president from the ballot

So not an answer. <talking points talking points>

[Hermit-The-Prog]

93. hey, Cippy, he cheats in elections. CALL BOLTON.

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[Mersky]

95. WH counsel who doesn't understand his job says,

Acquit his client.

Bleh. He’s just terrible.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

97. Schiff: If you hold a pres can defy all subpoenas, eviscerates Congress oversight power.

[crickets]

98. Schiff calling out red herring from WH legal team

Trump can ignore his advisors all he likes. He was not impeached for that, he was impeached for breaking the law. Notes pattern of misconduct also present in Mueller report.

[elleng]

99. OH JEEZE! INCOHERENT!!!

[Mossfern]

100. Philbin says one thing

and then argues another.
Both sides.

[C_U_L8R]

101. He probably maintains the same creepy calm demeanor when he pulls the wings off butterflies.

There seems to be something pathologically disturbing about this guy. Does he live in Bates Motel?