****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/30/20 THREAD 6****

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Thread 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212928625
Thread 2 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212929057
Thread 3 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212929614
Thread 4 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212930044
Thread 5 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212930587

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1. Cippycup with his hyperbolic talking points regarding the separate/balance of power

[underpants]

2. Nihilism

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3. Schiff - response to the same question. We trust the Justice to make the right decision

(re: witnesses)

Clarifying Cippy's bullshit about requiring the entire Senate for depositions.

If a President can tie up subpoenas and deign what subpoenas were "valid" then the oversight will be eliminated. Imagine what that would do to the balance of power.

[crickets]

4. It would be destroyed; Schiff is making a powerful argument here. nt

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5. Q. Rubio/Scott/Capito - to both - The House is argument he is being impeached

for acting on acting contrary to the advice of his advisors?

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6. Schiff: If you hold a pres can defy all subpoenas, eviscerates Congress oversight power.

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7. Schiff - False. The President is being impeached for corruption.

[crickets]

13. Exactly. Ignoring or following legal advice was not the issue.

Is it just me or is WH counsel getting really snippy?

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8. Cippy is mad about something so is getting snitty

[Hermit-The-Prog]

9. hold onto your whoopee cushions -- Cipollone is lying!

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10. WTF is Cippycup talking about?

[underpants]

12. No idea.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

16. everything except the question

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11. Funny

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15. LOL

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14. Q. Manchin to both sets - WH has complained about the House rushing through. Why can't this body

slow down and allow time for witnesses?

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17. Philbin blames House for not getting info WH obstructed House from getting

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18. Complete bullshit from Philbin trying to argue no witnesses.

[crickets]

19. Great question - why is the process so rushed that the McGahn case isn't decided yet?

Oh, it would take too much time to wait for that!

This was the same issue the WH counsel didn't recognize when House managers pointed it out earlier, when WH was complaining that certain witnesses/paperwork were absent.

Quoting Judge Jackson's decision that the Executive cannot decide its own immunity.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a29991537/don-mcgahn-testify-impeachment-hearings-federal-judge-ruling/

Love how Schiff point out they have a SCJ present to rule if necessary...

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20. Schiff - slide with court rulings on "absolute immunity" - Miers and McGahn.

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21. Schiff shows U.S.court decisions refuting pres claim of absolute immunity

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22. Philbin. Alexander Hamilton wanted a swift process.

Pound sand Philbin.

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23. OMG IT'S BENGHAZI!

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29. BUTTERY MALES!

Sorry, reflex.

[Mersky]

41. LOL

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56. I needed that laugh! TY!

[Mersky]

38. Gah, of course they're going there

They controlled both houses! And yet here’s their old CT topics being spun up, again.

Smh

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58. a toon answers them ...

[Mersky]

68. Yes, it does loud and clear

Is a good one.

[underpants]

24. Schiff is buttering up Roberts

Massaging his ego.

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25. Q. Scott/Hawley/Sasse/Barasso - To WH counsel - House mentioned Gowdy and Benghazi

and the final report said the administration did not cooperate. Does Drumpf require more compliance than other Presidents?

[crickets]

34. More compliance? How about any at all?

WH has produced not one document requested, not one witness other than those who defied orders and testified anyway.

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26. Suckylow bringing up "Faster and Furious"

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30. I have to take 10 on this one. Benghazigate is making me dizzy.

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27. I shit you not; the question compared Benghazi investigation to the impeachment inquiry.

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28. Suckylow is stressed now

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33. Yep.

Posted below.

[nolabear]

35. Is he actually saying absolute immunity should exist?

And is he having a little stroke?

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42. Their whole argument has been that

along with other nonsense.

[backtoblue]

31. WOW

Just WOW.

[underpants]

32. I think Suckoff just insulted Roberts.

Nice. Seems either tired or amped and about to run out of gas.

[nolabear]

36. Yeah, flop sweat.

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39. Both he and Cippy were suddenly stressed...

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59. They seem to think they are finishing strong

It all pivots on Alexander

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76. MSBNC said people reported Alexander handing Turtle a piece of paper

and Turtle put it in his lap and didn't look at it...

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37. Brown (et al) - To House Managers - What would prevent Drumpf from continuing to side with Putin

and if acquitted, what is the national security risk if that behavior continues unchecked?

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40. Sekulow "Doesn't make the Constitution happy"

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43. Crow points out that National Security is not very happy right now. nt

[PatSeg]

44. Ha, ha, ha!!!

Constitution looks a bit drunk!!!

[Pachamama]

49. It's a Bill on Capitol Hill

[PatSeg]

67. Oh yes, I remember!

I never realized he looked drunk! Perfect timing.

[Mersky]

45. My internet dropped out a few mins ago, so my clipping

Has been clipped for the time being. Will do what I can with cell signal.

[Mersky]

51. Whew. It's back up.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

63. welcome back. my own connection is slow, but fairly reliable.

[Mersky]

69. Mine's pretty good, most of the time

Router was stubborn and slow to come back up. Thought I had a bigger problem when I posted about the drop.

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46. Q. Hoeven/Bozeman/Wicker/Capito - If House has insisted they made their case,

then doesn't that contradict the need for witnesses?

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47. Crap we

need witnesses.


This guy Philbin is a jerk.


You cannot have a proper trial without witnesses.

Philbin is getting testy.

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48. Now Philbin is lying about the ridiculous arguments with the courts

(The DOJ is part of the Executive Branch and reports to the President and is arguing the opposite of the WH lawyers)

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50. So then the dumbass reads the statement that VERIFIES what Schiff said

(despite the denial in the statement that this is what they were doing )

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52. Q. Blumethal to House Managers - 1 day after Biden announces, the order went out to remove

Yovanovich - to "take her out".

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53. Good question

About Marie Yanovitch "about taking her out" from Blumenthal.

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54. Schiff - Ghouliani wanted Yovanovich gone so they could execute the phony investigations

into the Bidens.

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55. Philbin and co-liars complain about House rush, but want to rush trial ...

They claim there's no time for witnesses, yet ask why the House didn't take alternate measures that take years to complete.

It's disingenuous at best -- they just want it over and covered.

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62. Yup. Hypocrisy on parade.

Schiff is going through a long, long list of National Security staff who have testified in hearings in the past. Shows bad faith to claim the House should go to court to compel witnesses, but then it takes too much time to go to court to compel witnesses.

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57. Schiff ticking off previous NSA people who have testified in the past

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60. These treads have been great.

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61. ***5 MINUTE BREAK***

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64. McConnell got a note a second ago

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212930678

eta Rachel is talking about it now. Sen Alexander is going to announce his vote tonight, apparently.

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73. Thanks for the link

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66. whew. gives me time to read what I missed. THANKS BRDS!

[underpants]

71. I think it hinges on Alexander (who's retiring)

Murkowski, it would are sense, will follow. But maybe not.

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65. Turtle. 5 minute break. Putting the screws to Lamar Alexander (and Murkowski)

[bdamomma]

70. Oh yes

Moscow Mitch is pissed off because he is not going to get his way.

I hope Lamar tells him to go to hell.

Please we got to have witnesses.

[crickets]

74. *crosses fingers*

Somebody needs to say no to Mitch sometime. Now is a good time.

[spanone]

72. Briefcase of Ca$h?

Lamar could cement his legacy as a true centrist in this era where they don't exist

[bdamomma]

89. Or trying to make sweet

deals with them


If I was retiring I would say I'm going with the country.

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77. 'I swayah Lamah, yall screw up mah sugah-tit and Ah'll make yall sahree!"

[underpants]

104. I understood that

Well done

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105. Softball. Do you agree with the craptasric DoJ point today

Philbin. Yea I will create a speakers future.

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106. I've lived in Kaintuck all my life. "Now" routinely has two syllables rouncheer.

[Dem2theMax]

75. Thank you to everyone doing the play-by-play.

I can't watch it live. I will end up with bleeding ulcers. But I can follow, through all of you who are posting here. Thank you from the bottom of my heart!

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78. ****BACK IN SESSION****

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79. question about some deposition of the inspector general

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80. Q. Ernst/Lankford - Has the WH been provided a copy of transcript of IG Atkinson?

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81. Philbin - no WH counsel has not received this but don't want to go down the road

of more evidence.

Philbin now describing that there may have been problems with whistleblower process.

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83. He's insinuating that the whistleblower lied in testimony

that they don't have and haven't seen, but you know... *wink*

Odious turd.

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82. Adam Schiff has played his role brilliantly.

He is coming across to the people as trying to bend over backwards to appear reasonable which makes the Defense team look totally unreasonable and afraid.

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84. Jones, Manchin, Sinema question about negotiations with pres

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85. Q. Jones/Manchin/Sinema - to House Mangers - so much have focused on completeness of

House record. Should the House attempted to do a resolution to complete the record and what is the impact for the future.

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86. Schiff: pres vowed to fight every step of the way -- blanket defiance

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87. Schiff - House has been trying to reach an accomodation but after the Oct. 8

WH letter that indicated that the WH would not cooperate, then it has been months of requests and court cases.

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88. Schiff: Senate has sole power to try all impeachments. You get to decide - witnesses, etc.

[Mersky]

92. I liked that especially. Was a simple reality check.

Mentioned that the wording, ‘sole power’ is only used twice in the Constitution - one for the House to impeach, and another for the Senate to try the case.

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100. the Senate should not be railroaded by the White House!

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93. " 'If their case is so good let them try it without witnesses.' That wouldn't fly

in any court in America."

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90. Blackburn is back on the whistleblower. [Whistleblower is not on trial!]

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91. Q. Blackburn/Lee/Johnson - to WH counsel - What was the date of 1st contact of the House intel

committee with the whistleblower and how many times have there been contact since that first day of contact?

[IcyPeas]

94. frmr senator John warner (R) issued statement for witnesses and documents

NEW: Former Senator John Warner, a Republican and elder statesman of Virginia politics, has issued a statement calling on fellow Republicans to follow “judicial norms” by “welcoming relevant witnesses and documents” in President Trump’s impeachment trial.

Link to tweet

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95. I got carried away.

eta wait, this isn't even Lamar Alexander. Whoops.

Darn, I read it too fast and got my hopes up.

Still, it's good to hear someone speaking out.

[IcyPeas]

97. I have learned to never get my hopes up anymore, sadly

[PatSeg]

102. Same here

It is so frustrating.

[Mersky]

99. What you said, and...

I’ll add another, YAY!!!

[elleng]

103. follow "judicial norms" by "welcoming relevant witnesses and documents"

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96. ****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/30/20 THREAD 7**** UP

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212931285

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98. the question addresses that "no quid pro quo except this quid pro quo" problem

[Mossfern]

101. I'm just assuming

that the Senate will vote no witnesses, no documents and go on to vote to acquit.

Better to be pleasantly surprised than bitterly disappointed.