I have given my LAST contribution, ever, to Rashida Tlaib.

[calimary]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Omaha Steve (a host of the General Discussion forum).

LAST CONTRIBUTION EVER.

You do NOT boo Hillary and get away with it - with a voter/contributor like me. How DARE she!!!

[EveHammond13]

1. Agree. I am enraged by her behavior. What in the hell could she be thinking.

[redstateblues]

2. Hopefully she will get primaried

[wryter2000]

3. Agreed, and add AOC

Tlalib is where she is because of the women who came before her, Hillary Clinton being prominent among them.

[Scotch-Irish]

42. I thought the DU rules were that you aren't supposed to trash Democratically elected

Democrats.

[Jopin Klobe]

43. And the answer? ...

... crickets ...

[pnwmom]

49. During the general election that's true. But she's not running against a R right now.

She's out there dumping on Hillary.

[CanonRay]

54. Hell, I got slapped down for saying I didn't like Eric Holder

and he wasn't running for anything, and wasn't in office. Guess the rules are "flexible" for some folks. I'll probably go on double secret probation for this.

[Scotch-Irish]

62. We should all have a party in that jail.

I've been the target of a bunch of these flexible rules.

[NCLefty]

90. They got me for saying Biden should act normal and not bite his wife's finger or do silly stuff

on camera, since he's already got a rap of being wacky and we want someone serious/normal after Trump.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

113. I got one hidden for telling the truth about Joe "Fuckin'" Manchin. nt

[CanonRay]

117. Nice to know there are fellow DU felons!

[dware]

51. Only during the GE,

but she's opened herself up to criticism because of her attack against an icon like HRC.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

57. I see no bashing or trashing in wryter2000's post.

[wryter2000]

64. Thanks

I hope I was standing up for HRC and other "establishment" people who are sometimes bashed by our own who should know better.

[Polybius]

86. Constructive criticism is always allowed

For example, you can say "I disagree with Biden's position on marijuana legalization" or "Warren's tax plan is a little to high in my opinion." Did someone "trash" a Democrat here?

[Blue_true]

122. It's all informative.

The same people who say legitimate vetting of Senator Sanders is trashing of him think nothing about promoting the most inaccurate stuff about Biden or Warren. You better bet that if AOC, Tlaib and Omar were totally behind Warren, those same people would be going after them nonstop.

[Blue_true]

121. I would guess primaries have somewhat more leniency.

AOC, Tlaib, Omar have really upset a lot of very strong democrats and two of the three have democratic primary challengers.

[zackymilly]

4. She expressed regret for doing it. Good enough for me. n/t

[comradebillyboy]

5. It was morre like a passive aggressive non-apology.

[dware]

7. She blamed HRC for her comments.

How the f##k is that expressing regret for her stupidity?

[cwydro]

9. Um, no she most certainly did not.

[zackymilly]

11. Looks like she did.

Tlaib issued an apology Saturday morning, saying she allowed her "disappointment" in Clinton's comments to "get the best of me," and made it clear she will do whatever she can to help the eventual Democratic nominee unseat President Trump.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/893161/tlaib-apologizes-booing-clinton-says-disappointment-recent-comments-about-sanders-got-best

[dware]

13. So she's blaming HRC for her comments?

It was a phony apology, nothing more, I'm quite sure she wouldn't have issued this phony apology if she hadn't gotten the massive backlash that she experienced.

[zackymilly]

15. No one knows what's in her heart but her. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. n/t

[dware]

16. Fine, give her the benefit of the doubt, that's your perogative,

but she would never have issued the "apology" if not for the massive backlash.

[cwydro]

25. Boom.

Spot on.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

78. Yes, I was glad Tlaib did the right thing... still waitin on Hillary's apology to Bernie.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[zackymilly]

97. Don't hold your breath. nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

111. I won't! But Im sure if Hillary DID do the right thing & apologize to Bernie, he'd graciously accept

her apology. After all, forgiving people is ALSO the right thing to do.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[earthside]

108. Yes, Tlaib was being honest.

Time for some has-been presidential candidates to shut-up.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

112. Yes, I admire Tlaib's honesty & integrity in admitting she made a mistake & apologizing to Hillary.

Now, if Hillary would also do the right thing and apologize to Bernie, who I'm sure would graciously accept, we could put these unfortunate incidents behind us.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[calimary]

120. That was no apology, my friend.

It was a near miss, at best.

“I’m sorry.” “I’m sorry I booed her. I shouldn’t have done that.” “That was wrong and she didn’t deserve it.” “I apologize to somebody who’s always been such an inspiration...” “I apologize to Hillary - someone who’s fought so hard all these years so women like me could be where I am now...”

THOSE are true apologies. And Tlaib would have shown herself to be a courageous and very adult leader of all Democrats, not just a single faction. She would have been lauded, and embraced, a genuinely sympathetic character. But unfortunately she revealed herself as just another mean girl, who’d kick somebody else when she’s down.

An “I guess I got carried away because she was such a schmuck” is no apology at all. A sincere apology includes an acknowledgment of wrongdoing on one’s own part. There was nothing like that in her statement. Which, sadly enough, tells me there’s no genuine contrition here.

I’d have welcomed a genuine, sincere, legitimate apology from Tlaib - if she’d actually offered one.

[CaptYossarian]

6. She's on dangerous ground as it is.

If she's getting threats from the other side, she needs to be nice to the Dems--all Dems.

[cwydro]

8. Never cared for her.

She won’t be re-elected.

[dware]

10. As, I suspect, will AOC be re-elected. nt

[cwydro]

28. You think she will be?

[dware]

32. Now that I look at my post,

I realize that I worded it badly.

No, I think she's going to be primaryed and defeated by a more pragmatic Democrat, and rightly so.

[redstateblues]

36. I'll support any Dem that runs against her

[dware]

38. As will I. nt

[trueblue2007]

47. I'll support any Dem that runs against her & I'll support all Dems that run against Hillary haters

HILLARY HATERS NEED NOT APPLY !!! HILLARY SHOULD BE OUR PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW.


Hillary .....You go girl.

[Mariana]

74. Tlaib already has a primary challenger. nt.

[JonLP24]

125. She was correct on the Amazon issue

I remember a long thread trashing her as a "problem" for our party over Amazon but she was actually correct.

Amazon Subsidies And Sports Stadium Subsidies Are Each Terrible In Their Own Special Way

http://www.fieldofschemes.com/2018/11/16/14287/amazon-subsidies-and-sports-stadium-subsidies-are-each-terrible-in-their-own-way/

Hillary Clinton was our most unpopular nominee. Obama didn't have as many third party voters as HRC.

[cwydro]

37. I agree.

And hope so.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

12. Hillary defended Tlaib and others last year when Trump attacked them

Link to tweet

?s=20

[dware]

14. Not exactly the way I would show my gratitude for defending

me against the Mango Menace.

[Beringia]

17. Oh please, Hillary started this feud

[lapfog_1]

31. Is Hillary running in 2020?

I must have missed the announcemnt.

[Beringia]

39. The post is about Tlaib defending Bernie

And the poster is making this as if Tlaib did something, when Tlaib was reacting to something Hillary did. Hillary can't do whatever she wants and not be called on it just because she is not running.

[lapfog_1]

41. Tlaib was acting as Bernie's surrogate.

Hillary can say whatever she wants.

Bernie needs to instruct his surrogates to restrain themselves because he is still running for something and will need every possible vote to win it.

Or you can support Tlaib and what she did. If you do, and your candidate wins the nomination... you will have purified the party so that only far far left people feel welcome. Good luck winning the general with that strategy.

Tlaib was acting on behalf of Sanders.

The moderator of the panel EVEN told the audience (who are not surrogates of the candidate) to not "boo" Hillary... and Tlaib, instead of trying to add to that by saying "yes, we shouldn't react to Hilary's comment" OR just shutting the fuck up... had to chime in with her "Yeah, Let's all boo the last Presidential candidate and first WOMAN candidate of a major party".

At the very least it showed that Tlaib has a lack of decorum and judgment... and by extension, shows Bernie is a bad light for picking her (one in a series of bad judgment calls in who he surrounds himself with).

[BlueIdaho]

61. Just another Reason

I won’t support Bernie...

[Beringia]

70. That's ridiculous

Bernie supporters, political allies and friends can defend him.

[Tipperary]

94. She looked like a high school mean girl.

A very bad look.

[zackymilly]

101. What about the 'nobody likes you'? I was waiting for Hillary to next say Bernie eats worms. n/t

[Mars and Minerva]

58. Ginning up a supposedly Democratic crowd to boo Hillary Clinton, isn't exactly "defending" Bernie.

I had a lot of hope for those women after the election. At this point, I expect most will be replaced by more serious women Democrats.

[Beringia]

71. Booing Hillary for slamming Bernie is perfectly in the norm

You want Hillary to say anything she wants about Warren, Biden, and not think Warren and Biden supporters will boo them too.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

81. True that!! This could all go away if Hillary would also do the right thing & apologize to Bernie.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[LovingA2andMI]

107. NO IT WON'T...

Not from the Bernie supporters. They won't let it die.

[zackymilly]

99. If Hillary hadn't said what she did, Tlaib would have nothing to respond to. n/t

[subana]

66. they seem like trump

they don't seem to understand that they're not running against Hillary anymore!

For a guy who only identifies as a democrat when running for president every 4 yrs, it's not a good idea to trash another democrat that you're not running against!!

I don't see him as a real dem & to hear a surrogate of his insult a dem that he ran against 4 yrs ago doesn't improve my opinion of him or his campaign!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

115. No, but Hillary did say a few days ago she is feeling the urge to run against tRumpy again...

so, who knows?!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[yardwork]

50. When has Hillary ever booed Tlaib?

[dware]

53. If I remember correctly,

HRC came to her defense when the Mango Menace went off on her.

What a great way to show your appreciation.

[Beringia]

69. She was defending Bernie, I think I have said that already

[yardwork]

82. That's not the same thing. At all.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

79. Don't care who started it! Tlaib apologized to Hillary who now needs to end it by also apologizing

to Bernie. No doubt, Bernie would graciously accept and this whole thing would be over. The sooner Hillary apologizes, the better!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[calimary]

95. If we're going to extrapolate then seems to me Bernie owes Hillary an apology from even earlier.

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With all due respect, facts are facts. When he sat out, pouting, FOR WEEKS, from the time she clinched the nomination at the end of the June primaries til nomination night at the convention later in the summer. Half the summer went by before he got up off his ass to go through the motions of campaigning for her.

Which is not what she did, at the end of the 2008 primary season when Obama clinched, that June. She shifted gears immediately and got with the program on HIS behalf and went out campaigning for him. With that summer’s convention still weeks away.

And heck, she gave over part of her nomination acceptance speech to salute Bernie and graciously extend an olive branch to his followers - when, frankly, it was HER night, that she’d earned in spite of him.

I will NEVER forget that convention - where even Bernie fan Sarah Silverman, who had already acknowledged Hillary’s primary victory, scolded Bernie bros in the audience who were booing Hillary, AT THE CONVENTION, okay? Silverman yelled at them to grow up and get over it.

I will also never forget when Hillary accepted her nomination, and so graciously acknowledged Bernie, there was a camera up in the seats where Bernie was sitting. And she didn’t have to do that. But she DID. He just sat there like a sore loser. You’d have thought he would have at least waved in acknowledgment - or maybe just cracked a small smile! He didn’t. No wave. No nod toward her on HER big night which she was generously sharing with him. No nothing. Sat there in a huff and scowled with a look of “okay, now entertain me. I’m waiting” on his face.

He could have been the Portrait of Good Sportsmanship, and gotten behind her after she clinched the nomination weeks earlier, and stumped for her to help unify the party. He could have shown REAL leadership. Unfortunately, no. All those early weeks wherein he was uniquely positioned to bring the two sides back together and he willfully squandered every minute of that.

And I waited. And waited. And waited for some signs of good sportsmanship. And, frankly, I’m STILL waiting.

And I won’t forget.

I’ve already taken the Indivisible Pledge, to vote for the nominee whoever he/she is. “Vote blue no matter who.” And I will. I’ve posted this promise here, several times already. Which means yes, I WILL vote for Bernie - if I have to. “Vote blue, no matter who.” And even though his blue is only borrowed.

[PatSeg]

100. That was how I remember it as well

It was embarrassing to watch him behave like such a bitter loser. My opinion of Sanders went down considerably that night.

[calimary]

123. And let's not forget how, at the 2008 convention, on nomination night, where was she?

Where any good sport and leader interested in restoring party unity would be. She was down on the floor, in the New York delegation, because she was still a Senator from New York. And she had the microphone and the center spot when it came time during the state-by-state proclamations. And she was the one to announce in a loud, clear voice, on behalf of her state’s delegation, that New York cast all its votes for the “next President of the United States, Barack Obama!”

It was the ultimate salute from a former foe-turned-strong-ally. And I remember the commentators in the network coverage that night pointed that out and made quite a lot of it.

[Pachamama]

102. +100000

Same here

[calimary]

124. Yep.

[Zolorp]

18. Is there a primary opponent yet?

I know I've been looking to donate to a primary opponent for AOC, too.

[dware]

21. Despite our disagreement in another thread,

I wholeheartedly agree with you on this and another thread concerning PETA.

Happy Saturday

[Zolorp]

23. I think there is only one thing we all absolutely agree on

Everybody on DU must agree, ALL Republicans are shitheels and ALL Republicans must be turned out of public office.



If we were able to get that done, all of the little disagreements could be solved amicably.

[dware]

24. Absolutely!!!!

BTW, it wasn't me that alerted on your post in that thread, just wanted to get that out.

I rarely ever alert.

[lapfog_1]

30. there is...

but this nutjob (I won't name him) ran for President on 2016... as a Republican... so...no.

[Mariana]

75. Yes, she has a primary challenger. nt.

[renate]

19. That was so stupid of her

I voted for Bernie in the primaries, but I can’t keep overlooking the behavior of his staff and surrogates. This time we need to just suck up any past differences and unite as a party, like the GOP does. We can go back to infighting once our democracy is no longer on life support.

[msongs]

20. boooooooooooooooooooooooooooo nt

[W_HAMILTON]

22. I was generally supportive of her in the past, but no longer.

She is on my shit list now.

[OliverQ]

26. I really don't like her.

I was giving her the benefit of the doubt, but she's just obnoxious for the sake of being obnoxious. She's not helping things and she's causing division.

[bluedye33139]

27. I wish she hadn't done it, but I still love her

[zackymilly]

98. Me too. nt

[lapfog_1]

29. Yeah, she is off my Christmas list too

I was actually thinking of donating to her already declared primary opponent...

Ojnly to find out that person is actually a nut job who last tried to run for President... as a Republican.

[Champion Jack]

33. Thats fine I'll contribute double

[Arazi]

85. Yup me too. Newbie Muslim POC MOC gets to make some newbie mistakes. We need her voice

She apologized.

Donated

[rwheeler31]

34. I agree so disgusted with Sanders surrogates,

Moore was just on TV defending it. At this time I just want to get as far away as possible from primary reporting. The focus needs to be on the GOP.

[PatSeg]

48. Yes, so many Sanders surrogates

are not helping their candidate. My opinion of Bernie has been affected by some of his staff and surrogates. He rarely disavows what they say. How would a President Sanders control his staff and cabinet?

Bernie Sanders is not the person I thought he was. I am so disappointed.

[calimary]

96. And remember when the Bernie bros here

ran a bunch of us off this board? I won’t forget that, either.

[PatSeg]

106. I avoided the Primaries forum

for the most part back then. It got much too nasty for me. I finally just came to DU for breaking news and GD until the primaries were over. The few times I wandered into the primaries forum, I seriously regretted it. Some of my old DU friends left and never came back, but we are still friends on Facebook. I think it was the most divisive I've seen Democratic Underground.

So far, knock on wood, the primaries forum is much more civil. Also I think we have better candidates than in 2016.

[GaYellowDawg]

35. Tlaib's kind of behavior is why Democrats lose elections.

It’s fine to disagree with other Democrats, but how you do it is important. Booing Hillary Clinton as if she was Trump is absolutely unacceptable, and no half-assed-she-made-me-do-it “apology” mitigates that.

[Different Drummer]

46. I'm in agreement with this.

DD

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

114. I thought Tlaib's apology was sincere... Hillary should accept.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[Kaleva]

40. Doubt she'll lose any sleep over that.

[Karadeniz]

44. I saw the video and thought they were impolite. We shouldn't behave in any way that could be

Mistaken for how Trump supporters behave.

[trueblue2007]

45. i hope she is primaried. and she had the gall to laugh. she's horrible.

[Gothmog]

52. This sanders supporter needs to be primaried

Link to tweet

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

59. One good black candidate could unseat her, given the MI-13th demographics.

But, there will likely be two or three good black candidates who will split the majority black population's votes, giving Tlaib another win. A split black vote sunk her closest opponent (Brenda Jones) in 2018.

Yes, it's a broad-brush statement about race and politics, but seems fairly predictable in the Detroit area. Current Mayor Duggan is a surprising outlier.

[Cartoonist]

55. Sure are a lot of Russian bots in this thread

Let's fight among ourselves and attack Democrats. This is the most disheartening thread on DU other than the impeachment threads.

[GaYellowDawg]

67. Tlaib is a Russian bot?

Because she attacked a Democrat, you know. It was a lot more disheartening to see Tlaib doing it than posters here.

[Cartoonist]

68. Let's give her seat to a Republican

Same with AOC.

Am I on Free Republic?

[Codeine]

72. Neither district is in danger

of being flipped.

[marmar]

80. That's not going to happen in either of those districts.

[GaYellowDawg]

83. Wow!

That’s precisely what I was suggesting!

No, you’re not on Free Republic, but your clumsy, stupid straw man would fit right in there.

[Cartoonist]

88. Review the thread

See how many call for their replacement. Then bug off.

[tritsofme]

92. Are you one of them?

What utter nonsense.

[Cartoonist]

93. Another person who can't read

To be precise regarding my post, there are many calls here for the removal of both of them. Until today, I have only seen talk like that on Free Republic.

[tritsofme]

118. Her seat is not at risk of going Republican. She can be primaried and replaced with a much better

Democrat. Fingers crossed!

[Kurt V.]

56. i condemn what she did. Hopefully she'll learn from it.

but "she became the first woman of Palestinian descent in Congress, the first Muslim woman to serve in the Michigan legislature, and one of the first two Muslim women elected to Congress" - wiki.

this is a person i want in congress.

[IronLionZion]

60. Repubs never have this level of outrage for Trump

he spews forth insults at all sorts of people who then vote to not allow witnesses at his trial and they will vote to acquit that piece of shit while Dems fight amongst ourselves

[subana]

63. that was a stupid thing to do!!

when you consider that over 3 million more people voted for Hillary than Trump & many of us still like her! That's a really big group of voters to piss off just before a caucus or election!

[Beacool]

73. The "Squad" seems to disregard those women who came before them.

As far as I'm concerned, they can jump off a short pier.

I'm not a particular fan of Sanders either. He's a Democrat only when he runs for president. IMO, he's as much of an opportunist as Trump. He was never going to be the nominee in 2016, yet he did his best to trash Hillary at every turn.

Frankly, of the top tier of candidates, I'm not inspired by any of them. I'll vote for the nominee, as I have done in the past. That doesn't mean I have to like him or her.

[JonLP24]

126. He did his best

"Im sick and tired of hearing about your damn emails"

Hillary's 2008 campaign was a lot worse. She endorsed McCain's foreign policy over Obama's.

[Fresh_Start]

76. Ask for your contribution back.....

if enough people do that, (even if the return doesn't happen)....they might get a clue

[brooklynite]

77. She doesn't need your money.

She’s in a D+32 District and doesn’t need a penny. Plenty of other Democratic incumbents have competitive races and could use help.

[Maru Kitteh]

84. x1000

[Vivienne235729]

87. Totally agree. Someone needs to remind her that Hillary defended her before

And for her to "boo" Hillary is just so shitty.

[RhodeIslandOne]

89. She's in primary trouble anyway

She apologized, so I'm fine with it, but in that district Democrats will decide her fate.

[Sewa]

91. What an over reaction to a minor slight

The Regressive wing of the Democratic Party is alive tonight. From my understanding Tlaid booed Hillary’s comments about Sanders. So she reacted to what was said about a candidate she supports. I don’t see anything wrong with that.

[aikoaiko]

103. How dare she? She was following HRC's example...

...of speaking her mind even if others disagree.


But you are entitled to donate or not donate to whoever you wish.

[dlk]

104. When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time

Talib has shown us all.

[apcalc]

128. Agree-appalling and disrespectful...

[LovingA2andMI]

105. We Live in the District Next to Rashida's

Have known her from her time in the Michigan House, to Michigan Senate and now Congresswoman. FORMER (yes, shouting that) Bernie 2016 supporters who voted for him in the Primary and Clinton in the General.

We are extremely disappointed in Rashida's action here as it was completely and utterly UNNECESSARY. She could have and if she felt so strongly - should have verbally disagreed with Hillary's statement -- but to start and lead a booing chant is completely unbecoming of the office she holds.

And there are many in the MI 13th District from what I am hearing, that are feeling the same.

[R B Garr]

109. Good to hear. Thanks for this info.

Childish booing is disgraceful.

[Peace06]

110. Tlaib

Hillary has EARNED the right to say whatever she wants to say. She has pioneered the way for women in politics. When the freshman congresswoman has served this country as First Lady of a State, First Lady of the U.S., U.S. Senator, U.S.Secretary of State, elected President of the U.S. by popular vote, then she may be semi- qualified to criticize Hillary Clinton

[KG]

116. I lulz'd

[drmeow]

119. tell her

Don't just stop - explain why.

[samnsara]

127. im hoping trump* supporters are peeled off one by one as well.. every one has their...

.....'uh oh' moment.

[Omaha Steve]

129. After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING

This booing happened during a Bernie event. So this belongs in DP. Please post this there.