HELP US RECORD IT: Valor vs. Treachery on the Senate Floor

[LAS14]

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EDIT as of 2pm, 2/6/2020: I have to take a break from this project to fix some software I wrote for my son for his job as a teacher. AND my hubby's computer won't boot and our favorite fixit place has closed. I hope to get back to this senators project in a day or so.

Update: A neighbor put us on to a new repair guy who is going to replace the hard drive with a solid state drive, clone it (it wasn't totally dead) and get it done in 3 HOURS!!! for only $165. Boy, have hardware prices dropped in the last 10 years! I'm ecstatic because I've avoided a total crash which would have required restoring from backup and re-installing everything that I could find the installation for.

Still can't work on this senators project cuz I have to share my computer with hubby and fix son's application.
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I have a spread sheet prepared to record the reasons for senators' votes. I can't watch all (or even most) of their speeches. But if you all would record the senators you see, we could get a complete count. Put the senator's name in the subject, and the numbers of their reasons in the body. If a new reason comes up, describe it and give it the next available number. I'll edit this OP accordingly. Obviously more than one number could apply to a senator. E.g. 6 and 7.

Actually, if any Democrat does NOT support one of the articles, would you highlight that?

When this is over, I'll put the spreadsheet in DropBox (or any other mechanism anyone wants to suggest that I can get it) and I'll convert it to text and post it here.

Thanks to Mersky for this link which lets you watch AND read transcripts.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?468927-1/senators-speak-ahead-wednesdays-impeachment-trial-vote&live=&vod=&start=1484


tia
las

Nays
1 He was wrong, but it didn't rise to impeachable (Alexander).
2 He was wrong, but it's not worth it to prolong the trial when the conclusion is known (Murkowski).
3 He cared about general corruption in Ukraine. He did nothing wrong.
4 He was wrong, but the House process was flawed because they didn't go to court.
9 Either he was innocent or no mention of guilt or innocence, but the House process was flawed because they didn't go to court, etc.
5 It met the standards of impeachment, but removing from office is not in the best interests of the country.

Yeas
6 Emphasis on article 1, abuse of power.
7 Emphasis on article 2, obstruction of congress.

Nay - 8 He believed his election would be the best thing for the country, so what he did wasn't wrong.

[Mersky]

1. I'm in!

Thanks for starting the thread. I’ll add these links to the Impeachment Live Threads from today. I’ll catchup in here in a few after I clean up some video links over there.

[Mersky]

2. Sen Martin Heinrich (D-NM) spoke first - link added

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https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4852143/user-clip-heinrich-speaks

[Kali]

3. grassley

blathering on, I can't listen to him for reasons. they are just dumbasses and out of their minds.

[Mersky]

97. Hi, Kali. Wanna chose a video to watch and write-up a summary/code for a senator or two?

Could use some of your wit in here

[Kali]

98. OK I will try. Gotta run to the store, but will be back in an hour or so.

or if easier, just assign somebody to me

[Mersky]

99. It's cool. As you can.

Links will be waiting; you can add to one that’s already been scored or one that hasn’t - I don’t think there’s anything wrong with more commentary. Can choose one to pillory and one to praise. See ya after while!

[Mersky]

4. chuck grassley (R-IA) - link to his 15+ minute speechifying

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So much winding, false indignation

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4852150/user-clip-grassley-speaks

[Mersky]

5. Here's a CSPAN link

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https://www.c-span.org/congress/?chamber=senate

I’ll look for better coverage, I haven’t found a running transcript for this - think they would provide such for CC.

[SamKnause]

7. I'm watching on the Washington Post website if that helps.

[Mersky]

20. Thanks, I pulled it up

Have been combing clips and transcripts over at CSPAN during the impeachment proceedings. Haven’t found the same features yet for this ‘regular,’ but really not regular senate business.

[SamKnause]

6. Disagree with Grassley.

Sending our men and women to war is the most important vote, not impeachment.

[SamKnause]

8. Grassley is lying his ass off.

Rinse repeat.

[woodsprite]

9. Grassley (R) Iowa says the House failed to prove the case

4, 5

Says the House failed to prove the case. Saying the bar of impeachment is being lowered, unprecedented and frivolous.

Only interested in waste, fraud, and abuse. Asked if Pres. Obama should have been impeached for Fast & Furious? Said the House made a mess and is looking for the Senate to clean up the mess.

Bitching about lack of whistleblower access by the Senate. Saying the House weaponized the whistleblower.

Said precedents of the past haven't been followed and we need no "new normal' for impeachment. Decision belongs to the voters. Time to get the Senate back to work for the people.

Voting "not guilty" on both articles.

[LAS14]

11. Could you explain how he was a 5? Did he admit Trump was wrong? I didn't hear it. nt

[woodsprite]

19. I'd have to go back and listen to him again

It was where he was saying that the this is for the people to decide in November. He didn't come right out and say that Trump was wrong. So maybe I should take the 5 off.

[LAS14]

25. OK. I'll remove the 5. Makes sense. nt

[The_Counsel]

14. The Whole "Where's the Whistleblower" Nonsense Pisses Me Off to No End.

Why does it MATTER if we know who the whistleblower is?

Far as I know, when one calls 911, they don't even bother taking names. Because IT DOESN'T FLIPPIN" MATTER!!

What if the whistleblower WAS a flaming liberal or "never Trumper?" And? It doesn't change the facts, now does it...? Even if s/he was someone who was in on the scam and came down with a severe case of scruples, the facts won't change. So what's the big deal about knowing who said person is...???

[lunatica]

87. 911 call takers are actually required to ask for the name and number

of the caller in case they need to call back or to give the responders someone to talk to. The caller isn’t required to give their name though. Also, when the caller uses their cell phone there is no way the 911 operator can know the location of the call or the name of the caller. They have to ask.

http://www.ongov.net/911/images/FactsAbout911.pdf

[The_Counsel]

91. Couldn't a Mobile Phone Be Located Via GPS?

I know with land line phones you almost don't have to say anything at all and first response dispatch can locate you, but you'd think a mobile device can be tracked similarly...

[lunatica]

93. Updates take time to implement but

I assume it’s going to take time. The information regarding the location of the needed police or paramedic aid is necessary and many times an unrelated person will call a theft or a crime or a needed emergency response and that person may be the one the police or paramedics need to initially talk to. But not always. The person calling 911 could be someone who received a call from the person needing the assistance who may be in another state or part of town.

This happened to me. My grandmother called me to say she thought she may have just had a stroke. I was too far to get to her quickly so I called 911 and her son who lived just around the block. He met the paramedics when they arrived. As it turned out my grandmother was fine when the hospital doctor checked her out. Needless to say my location wasn’t important at all.

[Mersky]

10. Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) currently up - VIDEO added

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Eta - Link to her speech: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4853780/user-clip-sen-patty-murray-speaks

[woodsprite]

12. Patty Murray (D) Washington

6, 7

Said the Pres. acted in full knowledge pressuring Ukraine, and emboldened Russia. Will continue to put his own interests ahead of America's interest.

The House's argument made it impossible to ignore our Constitutional authority. Pres. defense didn't refute the articles just complained about the House process. No substantiative defense of the president's actions.

Has no doubts - said none of us should have any doubts about his guilt. Indisputable. Will we stand up for the institutions that secure our autonomy as a people. Trial is about freedom in our country, because if the pres feels he owes his office to a foreign country, then who does the Pres. truly serve.

No American is truly free if a Pres. is beholden to a foreign country.

Voting for on both counts.

[bdamomma]

13. To thse watching

I give you a lot of credit, I hate the party of tRump, they will be sorry, losers usually are. They will keep showing us how they do not have the country's interests at heart. They will be on notice for a very long time.

[woodsprite]

15. Debbie Stabenow (D) Michigan

6, 7

No one is above the law, including the Pres. He did everything he could to cover up the truth. Pres. was provided multiple opportunities to prove his innocence, but he ignored them. WH refused to comply, threatened, and intimidated those who were subpoenaed. Common sense says that if Pres. top staff has evidence of his innocence, he would have insisted we hear from him. Alarmed at what Trump could do next week, next month, in November. I don't think any of this is OK. The people of Michigan don't think any of this is OK. The founders had no intention of living under a king. I have to wonder why so many of my Republican colleagues are so eager to give it a try.

Voting to convict and remove him from office.

[Mersky]

16. Sen Ron Wyden (D-OR)

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Making all kinds of good sense.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4851869/user-clip-wyden-speaks-views-impeachment

[woodsprite]

17. Ron Wyden (D) Oregon

6, 7

Pres. defense is fiction because the pres. was not fighting corruption in Ukraine. He was causing it. Only reason funds were released because they got caught, not because they suddenly found a new respect for the people of Ukraine.

Let's consider the precedent that just getting over it sets. an acquital says it's OK for foreign interference in all elections or policy AND that it's OK to rig impeachment trials. Rig an election when there are no consequences.

Two simple questions: Pres. swears to protect and defend the Constitution. When he puts his own interest first and extorts a foreign govt for political gain, he's in violation of his oath.

Do we believe that this is a govt of the people, by the people, for the people. The Pres. defense assured us that it is not. If the Pres can cheat lie and commit crimes in office, it is a govt of by and for Donald Trump.

We have no choice. He is guilty. He must be convicted.

[SamKnause]

18. What is the delay ???

Is no one else speaking ???

[woodsprite]

21. There was an absence of a quorum when Schiff ended.

A few Dem's spoke in a row. Maybe the Repubs are huddling in a room to get their stories straight or lining up to be whipped by McConnell.

[Kali]

22. or maybe they don't want to go on record for their made-up reasons for voting aquittal

a good portion must know they are full of shit. I am sure there are a few true believers, but holy shit they can't all buy the BS defense presented.

[Mersky]

23. Here's the CSPAN link I've been waiting for

Can search the transcripts to skip to different parts. I’ll use this to review and code the ones I’ve listed, but not given anything substantive on.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?468864-2/senate-session&live

[LAS14]

69. Is there a trick? Thanks so much for this link. I was going to look at the three...

... people who fell in category four to see if they should go in new category 9. I can do a page search for "Blackburn," and can move to her part of the transcript, but then the screen immediately goes back to the top of the list of texts. Is this normal behavior?

tia
las

[Mersky]

24. Joe Manchin (D-WV) is up and now talking censure

This should be interesting.

Eta2: 6, but still undecided and appealed for a censure vote (really only argued #6 items, imo)

Eta: Speaking to the gravity of making the decision of whether or not to impeach a pResident and convict in the senate. Remarks that it has not been a fair trial. Notes the republicans moving forward without documents and witnesses. Reiterating the Senate’s power to convict and remove.

Then starts complimenting both sides. Summarizes points from each side - noted the declassified transcript (which was a read out, not an actual transcript).

Remains undecided, then goes on to note:

- the call was not perfect
- pressuring Ukraine was wrong; threatening our democracy for a political favor
- if the pResident thinks it’s good for the country, then isn’t impeachable is unacceptable
- no one is above the law
- not removing would further divide the country

Sees no path to the 67 votes to remove, rather a bipartisan majority would vote to CENSURE

[The_Counsel]

26. Apparently, Manchin Is STILL Undecided. Surprise!

[BumRushDaShow]

30. WaPo picked up on the "censure" utterance - I mainly focussed on his continued equivocating

although he did make a strong case against the sham "trial" (in quotes).

[Mersky]

27. Manchin continued

Concluding that he’s still undecided

Quotes senator byrd - putting behind the bitterness and heal

Asks for blessing.

[woodsprite]

28. Manchin (D) West Virginia

?

Prides himself in working across the aisle. Since he took the position he has never dishonored his oath. Swore to do impartial justice. Framers believed the Senate was less likely to betray their oaths, less partial, ... Must do what is best for the nation. It calls on us to do what

Senate has failed to meet it's obligation to hold a fair trial and to do impartial justice. I supported Pres. Trump's calls. This was shortchanged by the leader. History will judge this senate harshly. Framer's gave the senate the solemn responsibility to make this judgement. House managers presented a strong case with overwhelming evidence.

Remains undecided on how he will vote.

1) It was not a 'perfect' call. No one should think what the Pres. did was right - regardless of party.
2) Most dangerous claim - that the Pres. is above the law. If it's good for the Pres., then it's good for our country.
3) Purpose of impeachment isn't to punish the Pres, but to protect the public. Is it better now for our country, or to wait for the decision of the people in November. Feels that removing him would divide the country more and that 67 votes would be impossible to get.

Suggested going for censure to unite the House and Senate Dems and Repubs. Quoting Sen. Byrd to come together to heal the open wounds. Put behind us the distrust and bitterness.

[LAS14]

32. And what, for goodness sakes, will be enough for him to decide????? Just grandstanding. nt

[Mersky]

29. Sen. marsha blackburn (R-TN)

Is going on like the pResidentially retweeted always trumper that she is.

Eta: Upon exiting, blackburn noted the lack of a quorum, roll call was asked

[woodsprite]

31. Marsha Blackburn (R) Tennessee

4

House was trying to pre-litigate the 2020 election, to remove Pres. Trump from office, thereby removing him from the ballot. Said they froze out the Pres. counsel in the House.

Lies, lies, lies. Normal Repub BS.

Senate was expected to indulge this unseemly behavior. Going on about not knowing about the whistleblower - was it an individual or a group, is it fact or biased opinion.

Supports acquittal and rejection of the two articles.

Obama did things wrong. Nothing about Trump doing anything wrong.

[LAS14]

72. I'm changing Blackburn to a 9.

[royable]

33. I think that much more fascinating to tabulate would be the REAL reasons, not the stated reasons,

that the repubs will vote the way they will. Of course, we may not know the real reasons for many years if ever, but those reasons could include things like:

death threats to self and/or family
preventing release of compromat regarding self and/or family
preventing revelation of having accepted bribes and kickbacks (subset of compromat)
preventing loss of future bribes and kickbacks
preventing loss of political power (thus preventing loss of future bribes and kickbacks)
inability to admit flawed past judgement

Add your own guesses.

[The_Counsel]

35. I Suppose We Can Also Add 7 and 8

7. I'm a Republican hack who doesn't know any better

8. I'm an idiot

I'm thinking most will fall under some combination of 7 and 8. Like the Jackass from Tennessee, Blackburn. She's voting "no" because...well..."Obama did some things wrong." I feel 10 or 20 IQ points stupider just from sharing the same country with her...

[Mersky]

37. Neat idea. I'm gonna go through the names

And add video clips to their section. Folks from the state of the given senator would probably be best at guessing underlying motivations for their stances. Could put a note at the end with a basic assessment of such and can see how that starts, eh, coding up with numbers.

[Mersky]

34. Maria Cantwell (D-WA)

[woodsprite]

36. Maria Cantwell (D) Washington

6, 7

Weaponizing misinformation has become a campaign tool. Talking about honest and fair elections and how the Russians are trying to manipulate our elections, tarnish our democracy, and divide our nation. Said we are not the first act of this play. We must fight back against Russia or anyone interfering in our elections - and should be bipartisan. Seeking, requesting, accepting interference in a US campaign is wrong - it is illegal. Turning a blind eye in this case is enabling. What's not clear is all the pres. men who are helping him abuse this power, and how are they accomplishing this task for him. Where will the abuse stop.

Talks about Barr not being independent and their failure in appointing an AG.

John Bolton and Fiona Hill may be the people who stood up to the abuse of power and should be listened to.

I plan to work with colleagues on a bipartisan basis for better security and cyber security in our nation.

Voting for impeachment.

[Mersky]

82. Hi, Woodsprite, thanks for these summaries!

We’re up and rolling in this thread as best we can manage today. Your summaries would be greatly appreciated as you can contribute them. I am working through the thread adding clips, so DU can refer to specific sections. Thank you for helping us witness the good and the bad being said on the Senate floor ahead of the conviction vote tomorrow.

[Mersky]

38. Sen. Brian Schatz (D-HI)

[Mersky]

39. james inhofe (R-OK)

3 - no crime, poor awesome tRump

Perjury was impeachable, but this? No, is an evidentiary matter. Nothing wrong with the phone call; hearsay crap argument. No quid pro quo, but squids go pro. Falsities about blankets and K rations under Obama. Is using this to fluff tRump’s image. Is gross.



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None of this is surprising, as his main campaign contributors are More Earthquakes from Fracking Amalgamated, and CT Productions with their lasted straight to YouTube feature film: ZOMBIE SQUIRRELS FROM HELL III. For perspective, Oklahomans seem to accept being charged sales tax on all food including, eggs, milk, bread, etc. I don’t what the numbers for this should be, I’m only from neighboring TX after all.

[Mersky]

40. Sen Ben Cardin (D-MD)

6,7

[Mersky]

41. kelly loeffler (R-GA) seems to be introducing herself to the senate for the first time

Was appointed by brian kemp after isackson retired in December, and is here to do a job that doesn’t include stupid, doodoo-headed impeachment.



Directly not for impeachment, otherwise vague guilt, innocence or strengths/weaknesses of case, but wants to leave it to the people with two or three jobs to decide in the election.

[LAS14]

44. Would a 2 be appropriate? nt

[Mersky]

45. Not really. Closest is probably a 4.

Really was more like, congress should be working, not impeaching. So, in a sense it was about the futile waste of time, but she pretty much stayed out of the features of the case and talked about her background, achievements, and policy agenda.

I reviewed the transcript. She briefly said some crap in the middle about House manager’s deception, and then some leak-manufacturing hogwash. Didn’t bring up courts, though.

[Mersky]

42. Sen Tom Udall (D-UT)

6,7

“Never ceded so much power to the executive”

“Must restore balance of power”

[Mersky]

43. Sen Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY)

[BumRushDaShow]

46. Turtle just came out and said there were 2 more to speak and then they will adjourn until 9:30am ET.

Tuesday.

The 2 to speak will be Lisa Murkowski and Catherine Cortez Masto and then they are done for the night.

[LAS14]

47. Thank you for saving me from constant channel switching!! nt

[BumRushDaShow]

48. You are welcome - Murkowski just showed up and is speaking now.

[BumRushDaShow]

49. Looks like Catherine Cortez Masto decided NOT to speak. SENATE IS NOW ADJOURNED until 9:30am ET Tues

[LAS14]

50. Murkowski - 2

[LAS14]

51. I added a category 8. I really hope no one falls into this group!!!!

Nay - 8 He believed his election would be the best thing for the country, so what he did wasn't wrong.

[Mersky]

52. Benediction was pretty good

I’ll add a clip. Have come to rather like the Chaplain’s sensibilities.

Oh, and mike lee (R-UT) is serving as chair in place of grassley

[LAS14]

65. Where are you getting this? I'm getting 2 CSPAN channels, both turned to House of Reps. Also,

when you post the clip, please post the score. THANKS!!!

[Mersky]

67. Here's the link

https://www.c-span.org/video/?468927-1/senators-speak-ahead-wednesdays-impeachment-trial-vote&live=&vod=&start=1484

[LAS14]

68. Thanks! Stupid Xfinity. Yesterday when I searched for CSPAN I got a half dozen channels.

Today, based on your link, I searched for CSPAN2 and found it. Note. I've divided category 4 into 4 and 9. Check the OP.

Thanks again!

[Mersky]

53. Moscow Mitch (R-KY) spoke first this morning for 15 minutes - Clip added

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Because he loves to flaunt his over-stuffed neck.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4852085/user-clip-mcconnell-talks-15-mins

[Mersky]

54. Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) offers a rebuttal to Moscow Mitch's lengthy and misleading excuses

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He gives a concise reiterating that there were no documents and no witnesses. That the republicans did not want the truth to come forward. That they are scared of the truth.

Wasn’t a summary of Sen. Schumer’s overall views, was just batting down turtle’s bs.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4852092/user-clip-sen-schumer-rebuts-majority-leader

[Mersky]

55. john thune (R-SD) - link added

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Cannot bring himself to do the right thing for all five residents of his state:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4852115/user-clip-thune-speaks

[Kali]

185. did this get a score?

should I (finally) start here? scrolling from the top, it kind of looks like this is the first without one...

[BumRushDaShow]

230. I am going to give this one a 1 & 9

[LAS14]

249. I read his statement because I overlooked your score here and...

... I'm wondering if he really did acknowledge that Trump was wrong. He certainly hit hard on "not impeachable," but didn't condemn Trump himself. What do you think? Would a 9 cover it?

[BumRushDaShow]

250. Right near the beginning he wrote this --

I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE FACTS IN THIS CASE RISE TO THE HIGH BAR THAT THE FOUNDERS SET FOR REMOVAL FROM OFFICE. THE FOUNDERS IMPOSED A THRESHOLD FOR IMPEACHMENT OF TREASON, BRIBERY, OR OTHER HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS. IN OTHER WORDSES (sic), VERY SERIOUS VIOLATIONS OF THE PUBLIC TRUST

which I interpreted as meaning - yes they were bad behavior but not so much for his (fictionalized) "high bar" that he feels would be impeachable and justifying removal from office. So I didn't think he really declared Drumpf "innocent" in this case (believe it or not).

[LAS14]

251. ok

[BumRushDaShow]

252. Much of what Thune said (as written)

seemed to be a gigantic pile of fluff that was actually equivocating believe it or not.

When I have been seeing the "doesn't rise to the level of", that seems to suggest that "1" category. And then they might also add that "the process was flawed" (and that might warrant a "9" if that gets pounded on). Most of the 9s left it at "the process was flawed" - i.e., "rushed", "didn't go to court", etc)... ETA - and some of those 9s then went on into CT land and dismissed even the "process".

[Mersky]

56. bill cassidy (R-LA) - link added

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Bleh

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4852119/user-clip-cassidy-speaks

[LAS14]

95. Cassidy - 3 and 9

[Mersky]

57. joni ernst (R-IA) - link added

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Just gross.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4852122/user-clip-ernst-speaks

[BumRushDaShow]

228. Ernst - 1

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(fixed spelling)

[Mersky]

58. roger wicker (R-MS)

Clip soon, meh bleh

[BumRushDaShow]

236. Wicker - 9, category "10"

[Mersky]

59. Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT)

Clip! Soon!

[Mersky]

60. Sen. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD)

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6,7

Comprehensively covers the case against the pResident including a pulling apart of dersh.

Clip: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4852078/user-clip-sen-van-hollens-comments-impeachment

[Mersky]

61. Sen. Gary Peters (D-MI)

Clip! Soon!

[Mersky]

62. Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)

Looking forward to posting this clip

[Mersky]

63. Sen. Tina Smith (D-MN)

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Clip link shall go here

[BumRushDaShow]

231. This one is Tina Smith (D-MN)

[Mersky]

232. D'oh! Will fix it.

Thanks for letting me know!

[BumRushDaShow]

235. You are welcome

I know it's hard to keep them all straight and listen and type and read and...

[LAS14]

64. I've added a 9th category, and modified #4.

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4 He was wrong, but the House process was flawed because they didn't go to court.
9 Either he was innocent or no mention of guilt or innocence, but the House process was flawed because they didn't go to court, etc.

[Mersky]

66. Sigh, rand paul (R-KY)

There will probably be no clip, as he delivered a CT screed for the zombies - complete with names and an easel of bullshit. Instead I’ll give the time stamps for viewing at CSPAN and a translation with scoring. I dunno, yet, he just seemed really off-topic in his authoritarian fervor.

[BumRushDaShow]

239. I would consider him category "10"

out in left field (i.e., partisan and shouldn't have happened).

[Mersky]

70. deb fischer (R-NE)

Really seemed she could bust out laughing at any moment as she lied, lied, lied her ass off.
There will be a clip, as it will be quite a specimen for what is wrong with the republicon party.

[BumRushDaShow]

233. I would rate Fischer - 9

[Mersky]

234. Thank for following up with these.

I am gonna take the rest of the day off. Have been flirting with eye strain headaches today - I will continue in here tomorrow. Holler if you want me to cut a particular clip, though.

[Mersky]

71. F shelley moore capito (R-WV)

Clip

[Mersky]

73. pat roberts (R-KS) - posting time of this speech is now current

Clip of condescension and grouchy dereliction of duty coming up

[LAS14]

74. Changing Grassley from a 4 to a 9. nt

[Mersky]

75. john hoeven (R-ND)

Clip

[BumRushDaShow]

237. Would put Hoeven as 1, 9

[Mersky]

76. Sen Bob Menendez (D-NJ) - happening live now

https://www.c-span.org/video/?468927-1/senators-speak-ahead-wednesdays-impeachment-trial-vote&live==&start=1484

[LAS14]

79. 6 and 7

[Mersky]

77. Sen. Edward Markey (D-MA) - Live as of this posting

https://www.c-span.org/video/?468927-1/senators-speak-ahead-wednesdays-impeachment-trial-vote&live

[LAS14]

78. He's not done yet, but I think I'm safing giving him a 6 and 7!!! nt

[LAS14]

80. Please also report statements in the news, from those senators...

.... who are not speaking from the floor. I'd already recorded Rubio and will now record Sanders, Warren, Klobuchar and Bennett as 6 and 7.

[Mersky]

81. Sen. Tom Carper (D-DE) speaking live now

https://www.c-span.org/video/?468927-1/senators-speak-ahead-wednesdays-impeachment-trial-vote&live

[Mersky]

83. Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA)

Section begins at 04:20:25 - can search by senator in the transcript and play the video from the blue play button to the left:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?468927-1/senators-speak-ahead-wednesdays-impeachment-trial-vote&live

[Mersky]

84. ted cruz (R-TX)

He’s the noisier one of my two tRump suck-up senators. Sigh, he is so full of it.

[BumRushDaShow]

242. Cruz - 3, category "10"

[Mersky]

85. john kennedy (R-LA)

Pontificating as if he’s all-seeing, but really is just more of the same treachery that uses the tactics of owning the libs as exampled by correcting himself from saying Democratic to Democrats. He’s just another troll for tRump and sullies his legacy as such.

[Mersky]

86. david perdue (R-GA)

Eventually, I’ll get to his in-the-tank for the coverup of the pResident. He is a reminder of how important GOTV efforts are this year.

[LAS14]

101. Perdue 9

[Mersky]

102. Hey, might need to start a new thread soon-ish?

This one is getting heavy with entries. I figure we can just keep going until it gets really bogged down.

[LAS14]

117. Then we'd lose our place at Greatest Threads. And we'd lose our "active" flicker.

[Mersky]

119. Okay, we'll just keep on going.

Earlier, reload flickers may have been a dip in my connectivity.

[woodsprite]

88. Mike Rounds (R) South Dakota

9

Let this decision lie in it's rightful place - with the electorate.


Voting against the articles (in keeping with the framers intent in the Constitution)

[Mersky]

89. steve daines (R-MT) - linked to clip

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4852125/user-clip-daines-speaks

[BumRushDaShow]

241. Daines would be a category "10"

[Mersky]

90. mike rounds (R-SD) - link included

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4852129/user-clip-rounds-speaks

[Mersky]

92. Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH) - link included

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4852135/user-clip-shaheen-speaks

[woodsprite]

94. Jeanne Shaheen (D) New Hampshire

6, (maybe 7 as well, but I had to leave for a mtg.)

Pres. Trump went to great lengths to try to get the Ukrainian Pres. to help smear Joe Biden. After the power to declare war, the power of impeachment is one of the most important charges of the Senate. Every previous senate impeachment trial has included witnesses. Why wouldn't we want witnesses when we've used them in previous trials. On the articles of impeachment before us, I've listened to both the House Managers and the defense counsel for the Pres. I believe the Pres. abused his power.

Supporting both articles of impeachment.

[Mersky]

96. Sen. Diane Feinstein (D-CA) - happening now

https://www.c-span.org/video/?468927-1/senators-speak-ahead-wednesdays-impeachment-trial-vote&live

[Mersky]

100. Sen. Mark Warner (D-VA) speaking live now

https://www.c-span.org/video/?468927-1/senators-speak-ahead-wednesdays-impeachment-trial-vote&live

[Mersky]

103. Sen. Jon Tester (D-MT) is speaking live now

I rather adore him.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?468927-1/senators-speak-ahead-wednesdays-impeachment-trial-vote&live

[Mersky]

104. susan collins (R-ME) is UP NOW

https://www.c-span.org/video/?468927-1/senators-speak-ahead-wednesdays-impeachment-trial-vote&live




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1,4,5

He did it all, but because of tRumped-up technicalities she’ll let him have a free pass on both articles to lord around (like a damn fool until he tampers with the next election.)

[BumRushDaShow]

105. And now the Susan Collins

[Mersky]

106. Misplacing her concern all over the floor

Typical collins

[BumRushDaShow]

107. At least she is admitting he did something wrong

which none of her other GOP colleagues did.

[Mersky]

109. True, but alas, won't sway her votes to acquit

Because ignoring the gravity and essential facts is more convenient for angering her constituents back home and pleasing twittler.

[BumRushDaShow]

110. Of course. I still think she is toast.

The handwriting is on the wall in Maine.

[Mersky]

111. Oh, yeah, I think she's done.

She doesn’t care about what Maine thinks, it’s all about her next career on the winger welfare circuit or maybe staying in office with sufficient cheating thanks to tRump’s help.

[BumRushDaShow]

108. And now Cory Booker

[Mersky]

112. Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) - link to live coverage - IS A MUST WATCH

https://www.c-span.org/video/?468927-1/senators-speak-ahead-wednesdays-impeachment-trial-vote&live

Clip of his entire speech - watch and share it:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4852184/user-clip-sen-booker-tears

[BumRushDaShow]

113. He tore it up!

[Mersky]

116. Yes, he DID!

I needed to hear that! Was spot-on and powerful!

[Kali]

129. watching this now

wow

[BumRushDaShow]

114. Rob Portman (R-OH) - 1 & 4

Last edited Tue Feb 4, 2020, 06:35 PM - Edit history (1)

Giving the Susan Collins argument.

[LAS14]

121. What scores would you give Portman? (See OP)

[BumRushDaShow]

122. Just updated my post!

[LAS14]

126. Thanks!

[Mersky]

115. rob portman (R-OH)

I have no idea how he can follow booker with this garbage.

[BumRushDaShow]

118. My Senator - Bob Casey (D-PA)

[Mersky]

120. Sen. Bob Casey (D-PA) - link to clip added

Last edited Tue Feb 4, 2020, 06:47 PM - Edit history (1)

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4852200/user-clip-sen-casey

[BumRushDaShow]

123. Turtle is adjourning until 8:25 pm so they can gather to go to the House side for the SOTU

[Mersky]

124. john boozman (R-AR)

Clip

[BumRushDaShow]

238. Boozman - 1, 4

[Mersky]

125. james lankford (R-OK)

Clip to be added.

[BumRushDaShow]

240. Lankford would be a category "10"

[Mersky]

127. Sen. Angus King (I-ME) - clip included; was the last to speak before turtle called for adjourning

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4852208/user-clip-sen-king-speaks

[Kali]

128. did I time this right?

miss everything?

seriously, can I watch something already done or what?

[LAS14]

131. Pick one of the posts with a link to a senator but no score yet. Then give us the score. nt

[Kali]

134. ok, may try after the vomit of the union show

[Mersky]

133. Lol, impeccable timing you have

Nbd, I’d do this anyway - will sleep after the traitors are done dismissing tRump’s well-earned impeachment.

I’d say ernst, if I were to choose just one out of the tRumper bunch up for re-election and deserving of extra scrutiny.

Choose any Democrat and pull some good quotes maybe?

[Kali]

135. ok maybe after the impeached gets finished bloviating

do you know if there will be a live thread for that, or is everyone sick of him? I have to watch, mostly to see what Pelosi does.

[Mersky]

136. Not sure, really

I expect there will be spontaneous threads popping-up, if nothing else. I’m likely gonna listen, just so I can form my own opinions about his blather. As much as I’ve built up an ability to take congressional republican stupidity, I still struggle to tolerate more than two minutes of the pResident at a time.

[NCLefty]

130. You can make a spreadsheet on Google sheets so we can all see it. You can lock it or let people edit

Or you can send us your Excel 97 spreadsheet when you get done. :p

[LAS14]

132. Can I copy an Excel sheet into a Google sheet? I'm afraid I'm totally...

... confused about who can see what with Google docs (which my kids want me to use), and, by analogy, Google sheets. How can I "send" my Excel spread sheet? Is there a down side to using DropBox? Thanks for your help.

[BumRushDaShow]

137. ***IN SESSION - BENEDICTION***

They will continue in "Morning Business" until 4 pm ET (which means speeches on any topic but will probably be mostly impeachment-related for up to 10 minutes) when they will have the final vote for acquittal or conviction.

[BumRushDaShow]

138. Jeff Merkley (D-OR) first up.

[Mersky]

161. VIDEO of his speech

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4852527/user-clip-sen-jeff-merkley

[BumRushDaShow]

139. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) - said he'll give his statement @ 3:30pm ET but is talking about the SOTU mess

[Mersky]

165. VIDEO - is a very good pulling apart of the worst sotu ever

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4852543/user-clip-sen-schumer-speaks

[BumRushDaShow]

140. John Cornyn (R-TX) - 3, 9, category "10"

[BumRushDaShow]

141. Josh Hawley (R-MO) - 9

[BumRushDaShow]

142. Lamar Alexander (R-TN) - 1

[BumRushDaShow]

143. Ben Sasse (R-NE) - unanimous consent to enter his editorial in Omaha paper into the record - 2, 5

I believe this is the editorial re: his vote - https://www.omaha.com/opinion/midlands-voices-open-letter-from-ben-sasse-presents-his-take/article_fc051711-967c-5551-a8eb-de6d3be64cbc.html

[BumRushDaShow]

144. Kamala Harris (D-CA)

[Mersky]

158. VIDEO - Here's the link to her speech

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4852518/user-clip-sen-kamala-harris-speaks

[BumRushDaShow]

145. Maggie Hassan (D-NH)

[Mersky]

168. VIDEO of Sen. Hassan speaking

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4852560/user-clip-sen-maggie-hassan-speaks

[BumRushDaShow]

146. Doug Jones (D-AL) - ETA will vote to CONVICT on both Articles.

[Mersky]

147. I am now all ears.

Should be interesting. Gulp.

[BumRushDaShow]

148. I read that he planned to vote to convict.

[Mersky]

149. If so

Then I will gladly multiply what I have contributed to his campaign in the past.

[BumRushDaShow]

150. His initial story referenced his WW2 father who he said

"believed in country before party", so that seemed to be the setup for the rest of his arguments for his speech. And everything else is pretty much repeating the House Managers justifications.

He believes in both Articles it appears.

AND he plans to vote to CONVICT on both.

[True Blue American]

151. Doug is sitting at JFK desk!

Profiles In Courage!

[Mersky]

152. Is a beautiful moment

Moving and true.

[Mersky]

157. MUST WATCH: Doug Jones valiantly defends voting to convict

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4852513/user-clip-sen-doug-jones-speaks

[BumRushDaShow]

153. Jack Reed (D-RI)

[Mersky]

154. Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI) - link to VIDEO added

Lol. BRDS is very fast on the draw. I’ll add a clip in a few.

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Eta: Said I’d get to it, so here’s the video link: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4852582/user-clip-sen-jack-reed-speaks

[BumRushDaShow]

156. LOL

Fingers have gotten a workout over the past 2 months.

[BumRushDaShow]

155. Tammy Duckworth (D-IL)

[Mersky]

199. VIDEO of the Senator from Illinois speaking for conviction

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4852657/user-clip-sen-tammy-duckworth

[LAS14]

159. Unless I see something to the contrary, or hear something to the contrary, I'm going to give all...

... Dems 6 and 7.

PLEASE BE SURE TO POST ANY EXCEPTIONS THAT YOU KNOW OF!

[BumRushDaShow]

160. We'll have to see what Manchin and Sinema say

(am hoping for the best)

[BumRushDaShow]

162. Mike Lee (R-UT) - 3, 8

[Mersky]

163. mike lee (R-UT)

Last edited Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:50 PM - Edit history (1)

Is ambling along some Cartesian plane of crap. Before long he’ll go into the conjoined triangles of sycophancy success.

[BumRushDaShow]

164. Kevin Cramer (R-ND) - category "10"

and may need a new category that I am hearing from the GOP (which sortof goes beyond #9) -

"The entire House impeachment process should have never happened because it was completely partisan"

(orig - 9)

[BumRushDaShow]

166. Cindy Hyde-Smith (R-MS) - category "10"

Orig - 9

[BumRushDaShow]

167. Jim Risch (R-ID) - 9

[BumRushDaShow]

169. Sherrod Brown (D-OH)

[Mersky]

172. "Your name will be tied to his with a cord of steel"

Dang. He told them. So good.

[Mersky]

170. Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) is bringing it! - WATCH THIS VIDEO

Will add clip of him breaking it down. If I could be anyone else at this moment, I would like to be Sherrod Brown.



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https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4852595/user-clip-sen-sherrod-brown-speaks

[BumRushDaShow]

173. And he pointed to the door to the hall towards Turtle's office too

to make a point about the obstruction.

What would be helpful to find Bill Moyer's quote that he summarized about the "demagogue President" being "the gravedigger of democracy"...

[Mersky]

178. "... dictator of the senate manipulating the impeachment process to save the demagogue in the WH..."

All 100 of us, every single one of us, are the jury. We took an oath to be impartial jurors. We all took an oath to be impartial jurors, just like juries in Ohio and across America. But to some of my colleagues, that just appeared to be a joke. The great journalist, Bill Moyers, summed up the past three weeks, “What we’ve just seen is the dictator of the senate manipulating the impeachment process to save the demagogue in the White House whose political party has become the gravedigger of democracy.”




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As seen in the CSPAN transcript for Sherrod Brown on 2/5/2020 at 12:59p CT; corrected Moiiers there to Moyers here

[BumRushDaShow]

179. Thank you!

[BumRushDaShow]

180. Also Romney just said he will vote to CONVICT

so "bipartisan" now!

[BumRushDaShow]

171. Mazie Hirono (D-HI)

[Mersky]

205. VIDEO of her speech

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4852675/user-clip-sen-mazie-hirono

[BumRushDaShow]

174. Michael Bennet (D-CO)

[Mersky]

208. VIDEO link to his speech

Is very good and moving:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4852684/user-clip-sen-michael-bennet

[BumRushDaShow]

175. Tammy Baldwin (D-WI)

[BumRushDaShow]

176. Chris Murphy (D-CT)

[BumRushDaShow]

177. Mitt Romney (R-UT) - Will vote to convict Article 1 (not sure of Article 2?) - 6, 7 (?)

WTF? He was choking up (or praying or something).

[Mersky]

181. Has a half or *maybe* complete spine

Here’s hoping he stands up straight for the vote.

[BumRushDaShow]

183. His was a shot heard around the world

[Mersky]

184. Oh, yeah. I could feel it whooshing by, too

[BumRushDaShow]

186. ...

(no longer "unanimous" )

[Mersky]

187. Voooophff!... What was that? Sounded like Mitt Romney?!!

[Mersky]

189. VIDEO of the Romney in action

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4852630/senator-romney-vote-convict-president-trump-abuse-power

[BumRushDaShow]

182. Tim Scott (R-SC) - 3, 9, category "10"

[BumRushDaShow]

188. Chris Coons (D-DE)

[BumRushDaShow]

190. Cory Gardner (R-CO) - 9

[Mersky]

193. Sounds like he doesn't want to be re-elected

Whatta numb nut.

[BumRushDaShow]

197. Ya think? All RW loon talking points

Am guessing he wants a "rally" in CO in exchange (I guess in Colorado Springs... )

[LAS14]

192. ???? Are there others besides Collins that think Trump has learned his lesson?????

When I heard that's what Collins thought, my reaction was "We're sunk on Roe v Wade. With judgment like that there's no way she can be right that Kavanaugh won't gut it." But I saw on the chyron (chryon????) on CNN that GOP senators (plural!) think Trump has learned his lesson. Are there really others so tone deaf? If there are, I'm going to make a new category. Thinks Trump has learned his lesson. Lemme know.

tia
las

[BumRushDaShow]

194. Need a new category that the entire "impeachment inquiry" was completely "partisan"

and basically null and void.

[LAS14]

196. I think that comes under "flawed." Right?

[BumRushDaShow]

198. Category "9" wasn't enough for some of them

ETA - unless you want to add "completely partisan" to "9" as one of their reasons.
ETA2 - I wrote here - https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12953979

"The entire House impeachment process should have never happened because it was completely partisan"

Meaning it went beyond a "flawed" process and to the point where the "process" should have never even happened (regardless of whether it was flawed or not because "partisan" ).

[LAS14]

203. OK. If you'll review all the category 9's, I can make a new category.

[BumRushDaShow]

195. Patrick Leahy (D-VT)

[Mersky]

202. Ooooo. He mentioned seeing the chairman of the Appropriations Committee seated in the chamber

That richard shelby of Alabama was watching during his speech.

So, Vice Chair Leahy dully told him what is at stake.




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Eta: Ha. richard shelby is speaking right after Leahy!

[Mersky]

200. Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT)

Clip here soon-ish

[BumRushDaShow]

201. Richard Shelby (R-AL) - 1, 9 (sortof for Article 2)

[BumRushDaShow]

204. Dick Durbin (D-IL)

[Mersky]

213. VIDEO link to the Assistant Minority Leader Dick Durbin speaking

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4852708/user-clip-sen-dick-durbin-speaks

[BumRushDaShow]

206. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) - category "10"

(his mic is messing up and he was just handed a new one - their mics are like fountain pens)

[Kali]

207. hey!

I agree with him - no rules when it comes to ronald dump!

[BumRushDaShow]

214. His mic was messing up so much

that I was wondering if I heard what he said correctly.

[Mersky]

210. He is a disgrace of a so-called senator.

Makes me ill watching his theater of “crap.”

(Is so distinguished he’s said, crap, twice)

Fumbling sour grapes, kompromat, and crap is all he is.

[BumRushDaShow]

209. Chuck Schumer (D-NY)

[Mersky]

211. LIVE link to CSPAN

https://www.c-span.org/video/?468922-3/senate-session-part-1&live

[BumRushDaShow]

212. Turtle (Mitch McConnell R-KY) - Category "10"

[Mersky]

215. Moscow Mitch does not have a 'soul' power

Is an abyss under that shell.

[BumRushDaShow]

218. Yup

[Mersky]

216. Do you want to start a live thread for this?

I’m gonna keep on chronically these speeches, but maybe need a regular one going?

[BumRushDaShow]

217. ***SENATE IN RECESS SUBJECT TO CALL OF CHAIR***

Will shift to being seated as an "impeachment trial".

[BumRushDaShow]

219. Kristen Sinema (D-AZ) and Joe Manchin (D-WV) will vote FOR both Articles

[BumRushDaShow]

220. ****BACK IN SESSION****

[Mersky]

221. The charges are being read.

[Mersky]

222. Article I

[Mersky]

223. Article I - third point

Oops. I can barely type or take this!

[crickets]

224. Thanks for the thread, LAS14 and to all who are contributing.

This a great record of today's events.

Listening to the one by one voice vote is giving me chills.

[Mersky]

225. Here's the vote on Article I

[BumRushDaShow]

226. I created a thread so this one wouldn't be cluttered

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212955273

[Generic Other]

227. Thank you for this

I hope you will let me use this in a video

[Mersky]

229. Hi, y'all.

I’ll finish adding video links and scores over the next couple days. Just comment back if there’s one in particular you’d like posted before I get to it.

Am taking a break from it for the rest of today - I’ve had enough of eye and heart strain for one day.

[BumRushDaShow]

243. I think I captured everything not captured for (R)s and am petitioning for a category "10"

What I proposed to use (or equivalent) is -

"The entire House impeachment process should have never happened because it was completely partisan"

There were a bunch of (R) speeches where they ranted and raved about "partisan!!111!! partisan!!11!!! partisan!!11!!!!!" and then proceeded to insert CT crap in there, etc. Some didn't even broach an idea of "innocence", "this should not be considered valid because 'partisan'".

[LAS14]

244. I have to do some emergency programming for an application I've written for my son.....

... for his job as a teacher. AND my hubby's computer won't boot and our favorite fixit place has closed. I hope to get back to this senators project in a day or so.

UPDATE: A neighbor put us on to a new repair guy who is going to replace the hard drive with a solid state drive, clone it (it wasn't totally dead) and get it done in 3 HOURS!!! for only $165. Boy, have hardware prices dropped in the last 10 years! I'm ecstatic because I've avoided a total crash which would have required restoring from backup and re-installing everything that I could find the installation for.

Still can't work on this senators project cuz I have to share my computer with hubby and fix son's application.

[LAS14]

245. I don't have scores for these Republicans. Do you want to spend some more...

Last edited Fri Feb 7, 2020, 06:20 PM - Edit history (3)

... time on this, or shall I just publish what we have? TIA, LAS

Barrasso, John (R-WY)
Blunt, Roy (R-MO)
Braun, Mike (R-IN)
Burr, Richard (R-NC)
Cotton, Tom (R-AR)
Crapo, Mike (R-ID)
Enzi, Michael B. (R-WY)
Johnson, Ron (R-WI)
McSally, Martha (R-AZ)
Moran, Jerry (R-KS)
Roberts, Pat (R-KS)
Scott, Rick (R-FL)
Sullivan, Dan (R-AK)
Tillis, Thom (R-NC)
Toomey, Patrick J. (R-PA)
Young, Todd (R-IN)

[BumRushDaShow]

246. Just as a note - not all of them gave "oral" remarks (wasn't required)

and they may have just submitted written remarks to the record. I specifically looked for one of my Senators - teabagger Toomey - and I don't recall him speaking but the (D) Senator - Bob Casey - did speak. I can scan some of the transcripts to see who else might have given remarks that I missed.

Here are a couple that are already in the thread above -

Ernst - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212944917#post228
Hoeven - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212944917#post237



ETA - These are the only others who I found spoke and the rest on your list apparently didn't (at least that I can find).

Capito - category "10"
Kennedy - 9, category "10"

[Mersky]

247. I will need tomorrow to finish up my various clips and entries

I’d like to add clips, and review/score the republicans up for re-election (I’m not done with them).

I’ll double check the ones you’ve listed there.

[LAS14]

248. Note that BumRush found two that I'd overlooked. I've added them.

[LAS14]

253. Here's the post with the results.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212968222