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Pachamama

(16,962 posts)
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 07:05 AM Feb 2020

Pachamama's Revenge? Coronavirus being linked to a critically endangered animal called the Pangolin

Pachamama is the Quechua word for Mother Earth. I chose this name for DU when I joined DU 16 years ago in honor of Pachamama and work I had done related to the rainforest.

I remember Shamans with the Achuar and the Huararani (tribes who were once mortal enemies) telling similar stories when I spent time with them helping them organize to take on the oil company Petroleum Ecuador and Texaco to clean up the environmental damage to their water sources and tribal lands with oil waste pits and the illnesses it was causing. It was a time where scientists who I met were starting to admit the planet had reached peak oil and that the oil companies knew it and yet were busy trying to figure out their next target of where to get their hands on the resources they knew were dwindling, and of course leaving always behind a path of environmental destruction.

The Shamans and tribal leaders considered Oil to be Pachamama’s blood and they knew she was in trouble. But they said it wasn’t Pachamama who was dying...it was us humans. Pachamama they said will live forever, perhaps in a different form than we know it now, but it would be without humans. She said if humans don’t stop raping and harming her for its resources it will “shake humans off”. Change the dream is what they said. Because the humans in the industrial world with the “dream” we had and what we were making it is really a “nightmare” and if we don’t stop, Pachamama will have her way - her revenge - and it is us humans that will be harmed and she will do it in ways that strike back at humans for their crimes against her.

When Greta Thunberg and so many warn the leaders and the communities to stop and change our ways and are sounding the alarm of an existential crisis, they are correct and sadly too few are listening and ways are not stopping. Pachamama will speak and she has begun. Whether it be unpredictable weather, earthquakes, locust or other natural events there is an event happening that is also a response of Pachamama according to these Shamans....in the form of the Coronavirus and a sweet animal, one of the only in the world without teeth and looks like a cross between an armadillo and anteater. The Pangolin.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/chinas-push-to-export-traditional-medicine-may-doom-the-magical-pangolin/2018/07/20/8d8c52d4-7ef1-11e8-a63f-7b5d2aba7ac5_story.html


https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/mammals/c/chinese-pangolin/

Highly endangered and on the critically endangered list and illegal to hunt and trade, this cute little animal is hunted illegally and traded at the markets in China and the scales sold for Chinese medicines and meat for food. Chinese researchers just confirmed that they have linked the Coronavirus to the Pangolin being traded at these markets in Wuhan.

If this is indeed where the virus originated, Pachamama and the Pangolin will have unleashed a virus on the human population because of human activity and it’s violation of it and while the Pangolin who is harmless and is on verge of extinction, a pandemic of proportions similar or worse than the Spanish Flu will be unleashed and will kill many humans. And according to the Shamans in the Amazon may just be a small taste of things to come because of human activity violating Pachamama.

When will humans learn it is they that are facing extinction?

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Pachamama's Revenge? Coronavirus being linked to a critically endangered animal called the Pangolin (Original Post) Pachamama Feb 2020 OP
Heard a story Yesterday NJCher Feb 2020 #1
Both my children recently said to me that they don't plan to have children for this reason Pachamama Feb 2020 #5
My children made this decision, too. murielm99 Feb 2020 #6
Great post. llmart Feb 2020 #2
Oops....spelling correct and posting in night... Pachamama Feb 2020 #4
K & R . . . . Iliyah Feb 2020 #3
Meet the Pangolin MineralMan Feb 2020 #7
So grateful for your story Delphinus Feb 2020 #8
Very interesting and informative post. Thank you for sharing this, littlemissmartypants Feb 2020 #9
While the danger to pangolins is awful, it seem to be just you who is connecting it to the virus muriel_volestrangler Feb 2020 #10
Just me? Pachamama Feb 2020 #11
Both your links in the OP were from before the virus was known muriel_volestrangler Feb 2020 #12
You missed the point of the story from the shamans Pachamama Feb 2020 #13
The Shamans were right. We can't harm the Earth, but the Earth certainly can kill us. nt Blue_true Feb 2020 #14

NJCher

(37,381 posts)
1. Heard a story Yesterday
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 08:07 AM
Feb 2020

About a movement or trend of younger people who are not having children because they believe it’s wrong to bring a child into the global situation we are facing.

In another story, how Coronavirus will have lowered the Chinese economy by 1/2 a percent.

Pachamama

(16,962 posts)
5. Both my children recently said to me that they don't plan to have children for this reason
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 09:59 AM
Feb 2020


I would have loved Pacha-grandbabies....

But I can understand and agree....

llmart

(16,212 posts)
2. Great post.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 08:10 AM
Feb 2020

I think you meant your last word to be extinction.

Thanks for the wonderful information from your personal experiences.

Pachamama

(16,962 posts)
4. Oops....spelling correct and posting in night...
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 09:56 AM
Feb 2020


Yes, it was meant to be the word extinction. Thank you for your response to my post. It just flew out of me as I looked at the latest updates on the numbers and read online about researchers tracing it to the Pangolin.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
3. K & R . . . .
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 08:21 AM
Feb 2020

There is a reason why creatures of all kind co-exist on earth. Slowly thousands are being distinguished every day. Rain forests are being destroyed for profit, fracking, drilling, and oil is drying up. The atmosphere contaminated, the stratosphere being poison, pollution in the oceans, lake and rivers. Grounds being saturated with chemicals.

All for profit.

Then I hear right wingers say, God will fix it. Hmmm no. That's why God gave us a so called superior brain, for us to correct our mistakes.

Think of "Easter Island".

muriel_volestrangler

(102,203 posts)
10. While the danger to pangolins is awful, it seem to be just you who is connecting it to the virus
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 08:05 PM
Feb 2020

and I'm not sure that's a good idea, unless there's real evidence. It would make it just as likely that people would simply kill them as leave them alone, if you convinced them.

But, in the spirit of loving these beautiful creatures, here's David Attenborough with an Asian one in a tree - in 1956:



and 2002 - an African one on the ground:



And 2018:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p066wfqw
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b3gg0t
https://www.wowshack.com/sir-david-attenborough-gets-emotional-over-pangolin-he-saved-in-bali-in-1950s/

muriel_volestrangler

(102,203 posts)
12. Both your links in the OP were from before the virus was known
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 08:19 PM
Feb 2020

It would have been helpful to use those you now have. Though they are still speculation.

Pachamama

(16,962 posts)
13. You missed the point of the story from the shamans
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 08:29 PM
Feb 2020

It could be any number of animals...fill in the blanks. The point of the tale and the warning from the Shamans was what my post was about.

Thanks for your concern...

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