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MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 02:18 PM Feb 2020

What if all media were State-owned?

I mean someone has to own the media. In Soviet Russia all media was state-owned, for example.

How would that be, do you think? Taxpayer-funded media, overseen by the government.

How does that sound to you?

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What if all media were State-owned? (Original Post) MineralMan Feb 2020 OP
Absolutely horrendous scheming daemons Feb 2020 #1
That is the correct answer, of course. MineralMan Feb 2020 #2
What if all major media organizations Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #3
I use lots of salt when accessing media stories at140 Feb 2020 #4
Well, they're going to be owned by someone. MineralMan Feb 2020 #6
Once upon a time out government regulated Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #21
I would certainly not object to a return of those ownership limitations. MineralMan Feb 2020 #25
We could establish it as a quasi independent entity sarisataka Feb 2020 #5
Right. A "quasi independent entity..." MineralMan Feb 2020 #7
I do listen to NPR on occasion sarisataka Feb 2020 #10
Or maybe something like the mcneil lehrer news hour. Mosby Feb 2020 #12
I had assumed sarisataka Feb 2020 #18
Yeah, you assumed wrong. Mosby Feb 2020 #22
I will edit sarisataka Feb 2020 #29
The MSM sucks MM. Mosby Feb 2020 #8
Not as much as government controlled media would suck. MineralMan Feb 2020 #13
False dichotomy fallacy. Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #23
We could cut the Pentagon budget by .001% Mosby Feb 2020 #24
But, the current administration would love to cut any such funding. MineralMan Feb 2020 #27
Sometimes, I just ask a question and open up the discussion for MineralMan Feb 2020 #17
Terrible idea ibegurpard Feb 2020 #9
How would that work? How do you require something to be non-profit MineralMan Feb 2020 #15
State funded education would be better C_U_L8R Feb 2020 #11
We pretty much have that through the high-school level, MineralMan Feb 2020 #19
You're right. Far-right ideology takes root quickly in a closed and uncritical mind. VOX Feb 2020 #20
I think we should go back to the rules regulating amount of media ownership so that no one media alwaysinasnit Feb 2020 #14
Maybe so. That might help, although you'd probably see a lot of MineralMan Feb 2020 #16
Sounds like a global expansion of FOX News! n/t napi21 Feb 2020 #26
Indeed it does. MineralMan Feb 2020 #28

Voltaire2

(12,995 posts)
3. What if all major media organizations
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 02:23 PM
Feb 2020

were owned by a small set of extremely wealthy individuals?

Operated entirely to generate profit and serve the narrow interests of their owners.

How does that sound to you?

at140

(6,110 posts)
4. I use lots of salt when accessing media stories
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 02:29 PM
Feb 2020

because if they don't make it sound sensational, they will lose readers/watchers.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
6. Well, they're going to be owned by someone.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 02:41 PM
Feb 2020

Media is very, very expensive to operate. So, it gets bought by companies that have the money. The Washington Post, for example, would have had to shut down, except for Bezos buying it through Nash Holdings.

There are still some independently owned media companies, but fewer and fewer as costs go up and profits go down.

Nothing is free. Someone has to own media companies.

It's up to us to filter the news, it seems.

Voltaire2

(12,995 posts)
21. Once upon a time out government regulated
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 03:13 PM
Feb 2020

media to prevent monopolistic practices. There is no reason why that practice should not be reinstated and expanded to cover new media. Also we could subsidize local independent media. The choice doesn’t have to Zuckerberg or Pravda.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
25. I would certainly not object to a return of those ownership limitations.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 03:22 PM
Feb 2020

I think it would spell the end for many local broadcasters, though. However, given today's access to cable and internet connections, that might not make much difference, really. I suspect that internet media, though, will end up replacing all the rest before too long. The trend is already there. It's simple to create a new media outlet online, and even one person can establish such a thing at almost no cost.

However, offering enough high quality content to attract an audience is another matter. That costs money, and a lot of it, so you're right back to the same problem, really. Content producers insist on being paid, if they're any good at what they do. And they can get paid, so it's pretty hard to create enough content on your own to support a popular online media source.

Some have found enough content providers who will work for free. DU is such a place. But, finding the quality content on such outlets can be difficult, so it's hard to create a large following. I could use DU as an example of that, as well. Here we can see the number of page views for any original post. It's pretty small, even for very active threads. So, there's that.

I'm not a fan, though, of government subsidies for local media. With money comes control.

sarisataka

(18,570 posts)
5. We could establish it as a quasi independent entity
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 02:33 PM
Feb 2020

Last edited Fri Feb 7, 2020, 03:33 PM - Edit history (1)

Call it something that will encourage people to have faith and trust in the information put out. I think the Ministry of Truth has a nice ring to it.

ETA> The protagonist of Orwell's book 1984 worked in the Ministry of Truth, or as it was popularly called, MiniTru.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
7. Right. A "quasi independent entity..."
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 02:43 PM
Feb 2020

Like NPR?

That can work, in a limited way. Do you listen to an NPR station?

Mosby

(16,297 posts)
12. Or maybe something like the mcneil lehrer news hour.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 02:52 PM
Feb 2020

Are you old enough to remember that?

Was that state media?

sarisataka

(18,570 posts)
18. I had assumed
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 03:01 PM
Feb 2020

The Orwellian reference would signal the sarcasm in my suggestion that government run media would be a good idea. It seems I was mistaken.

Mosby

(16,297 posts)
8. The MSM sucks MM.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 02:45 PM
Feb 2020

The profit motive in that industry is hurting this country.

Besides lecturing everyone, do you have any ideas how to deal with the problem?

I think we should massively increase funding of NPR and PBS so at least average americans will have a mostly bias free source for news.

ETA- and do away with corporate sponsorships.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
13. Not as much as government controlled media would suck.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 02:55 PM
Feb 2020

Not even close.

How would you increase NPR and PBS funding and eliminate corporate sponsorship? Where would the money come from?

I'll wait here for your answer.

Mosby

(16,297 posts)
24. We could cut the Pentagon budget by .001%
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 03:17 PM
Feb 2020

And have more than enough money to fund public non-profit tv and radio.

It would be independent (like currently) without influence from the current admin.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
27. But, the current administration would love to cut any such funding.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 03:28 PM
Feb 2020

Funding is control, in one way or another. Federal funding for public radio and television is at an all-time low, which is why corporate sponsorship is needed for PBS and NPR. The sponsorship messages on them is still advertising, although more subtle than other advertising. And the sponsors insist on those messages being aired.

Corporations try to reach the broadest possible audience, so they don't mind funding public broadcasting, and create their sponsorship messages to suit the audience. It's still advertising, though.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
17. Sometimes, I just ask a question and open up the discussion for
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 02:59 PM
Feb 2020

others' ideas. I don't see any lecturing in my opening post. Just a question.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
15. How would that work? How do you require something to be non-profit
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 02:57 PM
Feb 2020

and prohibit a for-profit press. I think you'd have to amend the Constitution, to tell you the truth.

I'm open to suggestions for how the media would get funded without private ownership and the profit motive.

C_U_L8R

(44,997 posts)
11. State funded education would be better
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 02:52 PM
Feb 2020

The nation is dumbing down. We need more critical thinkers and creative doers. Not these right wing couch potatoes mindlessly sucking on the faux nozzle.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
19. We pretty much have that through the high-school level,
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 03:02 PM
Feb 2020

although the funding is mixed between state and local government funding. Higher education is less-well publicly funded, but didn't used to be that way, at least for state colleges and universities. We have Ronald Reagan to thank for beginning those funding cuts.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
20. You're right. Far-right ideology takes root quickly in a closed and uncritical mind.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 03:04 PM
Feb 2020

And it’s now out in the open for those who can see: denial of science, conspiracy theories, xenophobia, lack of empathy, and an utter lack of knowledge about the world’s workings.

Small wonder that Republicans keep cutting funds to education.

alwaysinasnit

(5,063 posts)
14. I think we should go back to the rules regulating amount of media ownership so that no one media
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 02:56 PM
Feb 2020

company holds too much sway over the populace. Media consolidation has only limited the type and scope of news reporting, and together with the elimination of the Fairness Doctrine, we are given a heavy, steady stream of right wing viewpoints.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
16. Maybe so. That might help, although you'd probably see a lot of
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 02:58 PM
Feb 2020

broadcasters shut down if that happened. But, it's an idea worth reconsidering, for sure.

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