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She_Totally_Gets_It

(142 posts)
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 05:15 PM Feb 2020

Republicans have a longstanding disdain for "democracy," instead referring to U.S. as a "republic".

We live in a representative democracy--no question about it.

However, this issue has always puzzled me:

A longstanding talking point from the political right: I notice that they characterize this country as a “Republic” not a democracy.

Do you think they do it because the word “republic” resembles "Republican" while “democracy” resembles Democratic, hence why they always call the Democratic Party the “DemoCRAT” party?

OR...do you think they really have a disdain for democracy?

Note: I understand that a Republic is simply another way of describing a representative democracy; however, it's almost as if the political right hates using the term "democracy".

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Republicans have a longstanding disdain for "democracy," instead referring to U.S. as a "republic". (Original Post) She_Totally_Gets_It Feb 2020 OP
Ding ding! pandr32 Feb 2020 #1
They use "republic" Freddie Feb 2020 #2
That's a great point. Never thought of it in that way. She_Totally_Gets_It Feb 2020 #10
I got that from a Publican a few months ago, safeinOhio Feb 2020 #3
saving that one for if/when I need it. Thank you. TeamPooka Feb 2020 #9
They're all on the same talking point. Even black Republicans are saying the same thing... She_Totally_Gets_It Feb 2020 #11
Perfect malaise Feb 2020 #14
The People's Republic of China ThoughtCriminal Feb 2020 #15
Not and either/or but a both Maeve Feb 2020 #4
I've heard this before, too. Forgot about that one. She_Totally_Gets_It Feb 2020 #12
That's it exactly; they want their party name to have some kind of word-recognition Aristus Feb 2020 #5
There was a degree of democracy in pre-Imperial Rome misanthrope Feb 2020 #7
Yes, but they had to already be Senators before they campaign for the office of consul. Aristus Feb 2020 #8
+1 moondust Feb 2020 #16
For some, they are splitting hairs just to be argumentative, misanthrope Feb 2020 #6
Ahhh...this is genius response! They use "Republic" because they control two institutions that keep She_Totally_Gets_It Feb 2020 #13
It's because they are vicious and stupid people Nature Man Feb 2020 #17
Then they call Democrats "Elitists" Dirty Socialist Feb 2020 #18

safeinOhio

(37,201 posts)
3. I got that from a Publican a few months ago,
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 05:33 PM
Feb 2020

Told me this is a Republic, not a Democracy. I replied that there are only two kinds or Republics, a Democratic Republic and a Banana Republic. He hung his head and couldn't come up with a response.

 
11. They're all on the same talking point. Even black Republicans are saying the same thing...
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 06:16 PM
Feb 2020

Republicans been doing this for decades.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,709 posts)
15. The People's Republic of China
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 06:58 PM
Feb 2020

is a "Republic"

"Democratic" is the characteristic that makes this republic different.

Aristus

(71,897 posts)
5. That's it exactly; they want their party name to have some kind of word-recognition
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 05:40 PM
Feb 2020

with respect to what is and is not American.

Both party names are essentially meaningless, and exist simply because political parties have to have names.

But the Republicans, as boneheadedly stupid as they always are, try to insist that the USA is a republic (think Republican), not a democracy (think Democratic).

The truth is, we are a democratic republic. We are governed by elected officials chosen through popular vote by the citizens.

It's possible to be a democracy but not a republic; the UK comes to mind as an example.

It's possible to be a republic but not a democracy; pre-Imperial Rome, for example.

We're both. And the republicans need to stop spewing this stupid talking point.

misanthrope

(9,425 posts)
7. There was a degree of democracy in pre-Imperial Rome
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 05:54 PM
Feb 2020

Weren't the consul members, who in turn appointed senators, chosen by popular vote?

Aristus

(71,897 posts)
8. Yes, but they had to already be Senators before they campaign for the office of consul.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 05:58 PM
Feb 2020

And Senators were not chosen by popular vote; they were appointed by an official called the Censor, the same official who kept the role of Roman citizens (known as the census, natch... )

One could only be a Senator if one had an income of at least a million a year, derived solely from the ownership of land. And in the early centuries of the Republic, you could only be a Senator if you came from a patrician family. If you were from a plebian family, you couldn't be appointed to the Senate no matter your other qualifications.

So basically, when an average Roman voter went to the polls, they were voting for the candidates the Senate had already chosen.

moondust

(21,257 posts)
16. +1
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 07:49 PM
Feb 2020

If it's a "republic" then the "Republican" Party is the real thing unlike other, less authentic knock-offs. Branding: some suckers will fall for it (see: Trump).

In practice the difference has always seemed to me to be "representatives acting on behalf of their constituents (Democratic)" vs. "temporary nobility doing whatever they want (Republican)."

misanthrope

(9,425 posts)
6. For some, they are splitting hairs just to be argumentative,
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 05:41 PM
Feb 2020

regurgitating what they've heard from others. If you make them reason it out -- "how do those representatives earn their positions?" -- it's unavoidable that they are simply being obtuse.

For others, they are attempting to mask their preference for plutocracy. They often hide behind "original intent" and some go so far as to show disdain for the 17th amendment.

 
13. Ahhh...this is genius response! They use "Republic" because they control two institutions that keep
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 06:25 PM
Feb 2020

them in power: (1) The U.S. Senate and (2) The Electoral College.

And that's why:

(a) Democrats could win 1 million more votes in the House and still lose control to Republicans.
(b) Democratic voters are told that we have to increase turnout by at least 5 million to best Republicans in the Electoral College.
(c) Regardless of population, Republicans are guaranteed equal representation in the U.S. Senate.
(d) In the last 20 years, two Republican presidents lost the popular vote but are still in office.
(e) Their obsession with the Census - they know that their numbers are dwindling, and so, they try hard to discourage persons of color from completing the Census. Remember, this was a Tea Party talking point as well. Sadly, there was a vocal contingent of the black electorate that believed the rhetoric. And also, the LatinX community has been terrified and scared away from completing the Census. It's all by design.

Again, your main points are brilliant! Thanks.

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