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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRepublicans have a longstanding disdain for "democracy," instead referring to U.S. as a "republic".
We live in a representative democracy--no question about it.
However, this issue has always puzzled me:
A longstanding talking point from the political right: I notice that they characterize this country as a Republic not a democracy.
Do you think they do it because the word republic resembles "Republican" while democracy resembles Democratic, hence why they always call the Democratic Party the DemoCRAT party?
OR...do you think they really have a disdain for democracy?
Note: I understand that a Republic is simply another way of describing a representative democracy; however, it's almost as if the political right hates using the term "democracy".
pandr32
(13,969 posts)All good questions and points!
Freddie
(10,075 posts)As justification for the Electoral College. Like the Founding Fathers really wanted the loser to win.
She_Totally_Gets_It
(142 posts)safeinOhio
(37,201 posts)Told me this is a Republic, not a Democracy. I replied that there are only two kinds or Republics, a Democratic Republic and a Banana Republic. He hung his head and couldn't come up with a response.
TeamPooka
(25,577 posts)She_Totally_Gets_It
(142 posts)Republicans been doing this for decades.
malaise
(294,261 posts)Love it
ThoughtCriminal
(14,709 posts)is a "Republic"
"Democratic" is the characteristic that makes this republic different.
Maeve
(43,346 posts)They will also sometimes refer to democracy as "mob rule"---who are the "elitists", again?
She_Totally_Gets_It
(142 posts)Aristus
(71,897 posts)with respect to what is and is not American.
Both party names are essentially meaningless, and exist simply because political parties have to have names.
But the Republicans, as boneheadedly stupid as they always are, try to insist that the USA is a republic (think Republican), not a democracy (think Democratic).
The truth is, we are a democratic republic. We are governed by elected officials chosen through popular vote by the citizens.
It's possible to be a democracy but not a republic; the UK comes to mind as an example.
It's possible to be a republic but not a democracy; pre-Imperial Rome, for example.
We're both. And the republicans need to stop spewing this stupid talking point.
misanthrope
(9,425 posts)Weren't the consul members, who in turn appointed senators, chosen by popular vote?
Aristus
(71,897 posts)And Senators were not chosen by popular vote; they were appointed by an official called the Censor, the same official who kept the role of Roman citizens (known as the census, natch... )
One could only be a Senator if one had an income of at least a million a year, derived solely from the ownership of land. And in the early centuries of the Republic, you could only be a Senator if you came from a patrician family. If you were from a plebian family, you couldn't be appointed to the Senate no matter your other qualifications.
So basically, when an average Roman voter went to the polls, they were voting for the candidates the Senate had already chosen.
If it's a "republic" then the "Republican" Party is the real thing unlike other, less authentic knock-offs. Branding: some suckers will fall for it (see: Trump).
In practice the difference has always seemed to me to be "representatives acting on behalf of their constituents (Democratic)" vs. "temporary nobility doing whatever they want (Republican)."
misanthrope
(9,425 posts)regurgitating what they've heard from others. If you make them reason it out -- "how do those representatives earn their positions?" -- it's unavoidable that they are simply being obtuse.
For others, they are attempting to mask their preference for plutocracy. They often hide behind "original intent" and some go so far as to show disdain for the 17th amendment.
She_Totally_Gets_It
(142 posts)them in power: (1) The U.S. Senate and (2) The Electoral College.
And that's why:
(a) Democrats could win 1 million more votes in the House and still lose control to Republicans.
(b) Democratic voters are told that we have to increase turnout by at least 5 million to best Republicans in the Electoral College.
(c) Regardless of population, Republicans are guaranteed equal representation in the U.S. Senate.
(d) In the last 20 years, two Republican presidents lost the popular vote but are still in office.
(e) Their obsession with the Census - they know that their numbers are dwindling, and so, they try hard to discourage persons of color from completing the Census. Remember, this was a Tea Party talking point as well. Sadly, there was a vocal contingent of the black electorate that believed the rhetoric. And also, the LatinX community has been terrified and scared away from completing the Census. It's all by design.
Again, your main points are brilliant! Thanks.
Nature Man
(869 posts)who believe in name magic.
Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)Fucking bullshit projection.
And a lot of them believe that! They must be brain damaged.
