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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe "Firing Of The Brother" will bring Trump down.
...Why fire the brother? The brother did nothing wrong and did not testify. But Trump had to get total revenge so he fired someone who did nothing wrong in anyone's eyes. Everyone understands that this is a mean and vicious act that was totally wrong. You don't have to be an historian or political expert to understand that.
...I think that firing the brother will be the act that does Trump in. If Trump can prove that the brother did something wrong, well, then things will be different. If Trump cannot prove that the brother did something wrong, then people will talk about that. Over and over again people will say, "Why did he fire the brother?"
...The conclusion is that Trump fired the brother because he hated the family and had to get "revenge." That is easy to understand, and totally and completely wrong. It will bring him down, even though he may be legally able to fire that brother. That is what people will talk about over and over and over. "The brother did nothing wrong, yet Trump fired him anyway. "
...This is simple, easy to understand, connects to all of us, and total truth. What did the "brother" do? "Why fire the brother?" The brother did not testify, did he?
malaise
(294,860 posts)He's the brother and the Con is a nasty vindictive piece of shit
samnsara
(18,755 posts)was a big deterrent..
He promised this
ancianita
(43,184 posts)malaise
(294,860 posts)Take that to the bank.
ancianita
(43,184 posts)I still believe that he is going down one way or another
calimary
(89,519 posts)I want the satisfaction of real justice finally rendered - to the CON whos had it coming for DECADES!
The Velveteen Ocelot
(130,010 posts)He said you have to kill terrorists' families. So I guess Vindman's brother was fair game in his twisted mind. Maybe that's why Romney's niece who heads the RNC is so slavishly devoted to His Lardship - she knows he'll go after families and she cares more about her job than her uncle.
Stuart G
(38,726 posts)..And the Con thinks he can get away with anything. But the brother did not testify, and did nothing wrong. So Trump has taken off everything and he has no clothes. He is very very ugly, but he is there for all to see. Donald Trump shows the word, that he is ..."..a nasty vindictive piece of shit. He did it to himself. He will pay for this one in my opinion, because the brother did nothing wrong. And this is something that when it gets around to everyone, (and that will take time, because many people do not follow this closely) it is in my opinion the mistake that will cost Trump the Presidency. This is so simple and easy to talk about. And it connects to most because most of us have brothers and sisters who we care about. Why fire the brother?..
hot2na
(454 posts)...But lets remember that Col Vindman didn't do anything wrong either. He did everything right. That is why he got fired.
Col Vindmans brother got fired simply for the crime (In Trumps mind only) of being the brother of someone who did not bow down to him.
steventh
(2,192 posts)Well said.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,589 posts)at Col Vindman's mention last night by Biden shows that "the people" get it.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Even from Dotard's stupid point of view, the "wrong" was testifying against him and the brother did not even do that - just lost his WH gig for being someone's brother.
Catherine Vincent
(34,609 posts)The only thing the brother did wrong was being related.
Trump is a dick and a half!
riversedge
(80,293 posts)ProfessorGAC
(76,359 posts)Civilians & family have been off limits for the outfit forever.
This makes DOLTUS worse than a mob boss!
TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)Or, in this case, a wannabe mob boss.
SWBTATTReg
(26,187 posts)pazzyanne
(6,755 posts)I keep remembering the mob ties to the trumps back in the 60's and 70's. He is using a lifetime of lessons from his family to promote his evil.
madaboutharry
(42,031 posts)The firing of the brother is only more evidence that Trump is a psychopath.
Tree-Hugger
(3,379 posts)Every action of his has been the one. This is the thing that will bring him down. Over and over and over again. If he's been acquitted for his treasonous acts, I doubt he'll see much hellfire for this termination. We've seen that he has so many people willing to sell their own souls in order to protect him.
Now, before I seem too doom and gloom, I don't think Trump escapes unscathed at all. I just think the majority if the work and the victory will come solely from our side.
I do hope you're correct, though. I would live to see this firing do him in.
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)And apparently 49% of Americans are just fine with it (according to Gallup).
(I personally can't believe his polls are as high as being reported. Something fishy there.)
If the journalists would start reporting it, the huge # of $$$ going directly from the tax payers into Trump's pockets should do it. The total tally of all golf trips and their costs, Secret Service having to stay at Trump properties, paying up to $650 a NIGHT for a single room (how many SS does he require, how many more of his "entourage" must be paid for?), forcing the military to stay places that are financially beneficial to HIM. They have only touched the tip of the iceberg.
Total $$$ he receives by schmoozers, foreign dignataries and RNC groups trying to incur favor by staying at the DC Post Office. It is endless.
Americans understand when they are being taken for a ride, but they have to KNOW that they are being taken for a ride.
With Barr in place to nip any investigation into anything Trump, our only hope are investigative journalists. They have to do the job that normally would be done by congressional investigative committees.
Fortunately Barr has ZERO control over the free press. He can't do shit.
So it is REALLY time for the free press to earn our respect. They have done SOOO much, so far, but our future depends on it.
Barr needs to be investigated, EVERY republican enabler needs to be investigated, FOX NEWS and every other media outlet that has been publishing lies to support Trump, needs to be investigated.
The Free Press can be OUR revenge.
LuckyLib
(7,050 posts)Tree-Hugger
(3,379 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,315 posts)underpants
(195,853 posts)See the brother works at the NSC. He MAY work in the part that clears book releases. Doesn't matter, works there...book details came from there...close enough.
What we are seeing is talk radio influence policy.
crickets
(26,168 posts)The RW media Wurlitzer hasn't skipped a beat. In the conversation I saw, it was thoroughly drowned out by people aghast at the news, but it was there.
2naSalit
(101,568 posts)that the Lt Col, did mention in his testimony that he discussed the call with his brother..? But I can imagine having someone who looks exactly like him around would be upsetting to the piss colored snowflake.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,270 posts)1. Mother Nature
or
2. Voters in November.
I'd be happy with either, but I'd much prefer the former than the latter.
Nothing else will do it. Nothing.
Stuart G
(38,726 posts)...We will see what happens. I think "The Voters" will talk about this endlessly. Such a cruel thing to do, that everyone understands. "What did the brother do?" "Why fire the brother?" Such an easy thing to talk about. Is that true?...
...Similar to .....Where did the 15 minute gap in the tape come from, and who did it?...(from the Watergate Scandal)
handmade34
(23,965 posts)with a system that allows this to continue
Normanart
(290 posts)The current political situation lays bare the weakness of our system. Designed to depend on honorable people in charge, there is little defense when the system is controlled by criminals. Our democracy has been hijacked, and there is not much we can do about it. Except vote! And even that may not be enough to prevent the criminals from stealing elections around the country. Example...Georgia governors race. We are in perilous times.
Liberalhammer
(576 posts)Will
Phoenix61
(18,783 posts)about this. It is something you see in third world countries.
Cirque du So-What
(29,583 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)edhopper
(37,240 posts)GOTV is the only way to bring him down.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)MyOwnPeace
(17,494 posts)We've been reading those "THIS IS IT!" entries for the past 3 years - hell, we had them even when he "came down the elevator" (yes, I know - and you do too! - it was an escalator!) but IQ45 said "elevator" the other day and Colbert called him out on that the other night.
I know it is all wishful thinking on our part - but yeah, it is just another little tweak of frustration that we go through daily......
And the ONLY sure thing that will work and make it happen: GET OUT THE VOTE!!!!!!
edhopper
(37,240 posts)Have you not learned anything? Nothing this criminal does will bring him down. Every corrupt act I see a post about how this is the end of him. It never is.
It will take us winning a very questionable election in November. And we won't win because voters remember he fired the brothers.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)for the next election. Why would the gop senators risk their careers for this man that they KNOW is crooked, unless there was something in it for them? Even little whiny Susie Collins has to know her election is in dire straights with her vote plus previous wrong headed decisions. The entire group is risking it all for this bastard in the WH. WHY?
StarryNite
(12,080 posts)Everybody talks about the next election but he didn't actually win the last one. And what has changed to prevent him from stealing the next one? Answer: Nothing has changed.
llmart
(17,492 posts)The fix is in and he knows it and all the GOP Senators know it, or at the very least they are believing the lying bastard and he's only got assurances from Putin that the fix is in for him.
Scruffy1
(3,524 posts)Nothing but determination and hard work will bring him down. Stay on the attack to keep them on the defensive and offer solutions to problems like wealth inequality. Oh, and GOTV.
Stuart G
(38,726 posts)1. Most of us have brothers and sisters.
2. Those brothers and sisters don't do the things that we do.
3. Why blame them, if they did "nothing wrong". I did it, not my brother...
Will that be it?...I think so. This connects to most of us. This shines on Trump's hate and vindictiveness. What did the brother do to be fired? I hope we will all see the end of this in way that is best for our country.
And yes, I could be totally wrong about this too. It wouldn't be the first time I am wrong. (or probably the last)
..... Time will tell. ..So I ask this question.
..How will Trump explain firing the brother? What did the brother do to be fired? Was what he did enough to be fired?
wishstar
(5,815 posts)My right wing Fox watching brother believes anything Trump says over what I say and my brother was same way when I worked for federal govt during Reagan and both Bush Admins and I would tell him something those Administrations had done that affected me at work and he would say he didn't believe me.
Nasruddin
(1,217 posts)The opposers to this, are already opposing.
The supporters are either a) in deep cognitive dissonance b) cult members who believe in some conspiracy c) tribalists who oppose the opposers no matter what d) fellow psychopaths who feel this end justifies the means
There are always a few marginal supporters to scrape off with each outrage, but I fear it will be essentially net nothing.
I think this action is a kind of terrorism, designed to show anyone who will rat out the regime that the regime will come for your family too.
Chemisse
(31,310 posts)Nothing can bring him down.
ConstanceCee
(373 posts)He used the same vindictive excess on her. Remember when she asked why he had to (try to) smear her reputation? But I agree that almost daily we learn about the new misdeed that will bring him down. I think it will all keep piling up until November and we need to keep our facts straight.
mahatmakanejeeves
(69,018 posts)I can't find a recent article that illustrates this point.
Chemisse
(31,310 posts)He is the devil's runt-of-the-litter spawn.
yaesu
(9,182 posts)behind tRump there is no taking him down.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)yaesu
(9,182 posts)greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Stuart G
(38,726 posts)...In the Federal Courts, each case is decided on its own merits
...Yes, the leaders of the justice department may be for Trump, but most of the employees are federal employees. Those people have loyalty to the U.S.A., and not to Trump. The entire justice department is not behind Donald Trump.
Fiendish Thingy
(22,657 posts)Neither brother did anything wrong, but the cultists only see them as disloyal Never Trumpers.
Texin
(2,849 posts)There is never a bottom with him. There is never a bottom with the GOP (save two, i.e., Romney and Amash). They have proven over and over that they are willing to let him run amok. Chop through long-established allied partnerships, sack State Department officials and members of the military, and now - it's just beginning, people - to turn round on his "enemies" who have dared to call him out on his mob tactics. Make no mistake, he will vindictively go after Pelosi, Schiff, and every other member of Congress who dared to speak openly about his criminal corruption and his psychopathic reign of terror. The retrumplicans have sold themselves in toto to him. They are proud of it. These sissy whistle britches to a man and woman, are bound to Satan. And, by God, they're proud of it.
They've accomplished - or shortly will - EVERYTHING they vowed back in the '30s to destroy. Every good thing that was accomplished to provide a social compact between the federal government and the average citizen of the United States. They will blow it up to make their own 30 pieces of silver even if it means that the very planet they walk upon burns up beneath their feet as a consequence.
Fuck. The only way forward is through revolution. Armed revolution, followed by the return of the guillotine. There will be no elections except rigged ones in Herr Drumpf's favor. My fervent hope is that they've neglected the one thing that might swing things in favor of the common individual, that constitutionally-protected "right" of citizens to bear arms. There are more of us than them. And we are armed. When these NRA-espousing rethugs vow to make tweaks in the laws that govern gun ownership in the country, that's the time everyone will know it's time to use those arms to defend what shreds of *freedom* they have. We've come to the time. Now is the time.
ancianita
(43,184 posts)We have to take clues from this, make a plan to change hearts and minds to act to rid this country of his impressive lawlessness.
Do not doubt that millions of Americans and other leaders in the world stand in awe of lawlessness.
We constitutionalists have to do something about this.
KPN
(17,267 posts)THIS will be the thing that brings him down? Going back all the way to the 2016 election campaign?
Khan, McCain, Comey, Stormy Daniels, Mueller, SDNY, Ukraine to name just a few that jump immediately to mind.
I'll believe it when I see it. Hell, even then, I may only believe it when he's dead and planted.
Stuart G
(38,726 posts)Yes, I agree we have heard this before, but the time could be .."NOW"
"tRump is absolutely a viciously vindictive lizard brain."...I AGREE TOTALLY..but maybe.
...enough is enough. Time will tell, and I hope that will bring him down. As I said earlier, I never expected him to be President, and that is evidence that I could be wrong about this too.
Hope you are right.
jimfields33
(19,382 posts)Pleasure of the President. Most will say, damn it. Thats true.
Beringia
(5,452 posts)I don't know, but it occurred to me that it could be. Use all the hatred generated by trump and his followers as fertilizer to grow something beautiful to come.
Thunderbeast
(3,803 posts)The 43 Million enablers could care less. They have their all-powerful autocrat in power. They will agree with ANYTHING he says to make them feel better about their white xtian privilege.
If we don't get to the polls (and drag our lazy neighbors with us) this fall, the country will be beyond recognition in 2024 when Trump runs for his third term.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)evilhime
(372 posts)SylviaD
(721 posts)OliverQ
(3,363 posts)Stuart G
(38,726 posts)Trump on Saturday claimed that Vindman "reported contents of my 'perfect' calls incorrectly," which those close to Vindman have disputed. Vindman reported concerns about Trump's July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to other officials with the National Security Council.
The President also attacked Vindman's work performance, claiming he was given a "horrendous" report by his superior that he had problems with judgment and leaking information. Tim Morrison, Vindman's boss at the time and a former top Russia and Europe adviser on the National Security Council, did question Vindman's judgment during congressional testimony in November. He testified he had been warned about Vindman's judgment when he took over the position and claimed Vindman did not keep him in the loop.
Vindman defended himself during his testimony saying he reported his concerns about the July 25 phone call as he was directed to do. Also he brought with him a review from his former boss, then-White House Russia adviser Fiona Hill, who praised his performance, to rebut the issue Morrison raised.
However, Morrison testified it was Hill in addition to others who warned him about Vindman's judgment.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)that is pretty medieval. And mafia-like.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)GOTV 2020
Pisces
(6,190 posts)PCIntern
(28,163 posts)No offense. Really.
Ive heard this so many times I have to use scientific notation to count.
MadLinguist
(904 posts)oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)Period.
aggiesal
(10,694 posts)Go after the target and the family.
vishnura
(353 posts)Paladin
(32,354 posts)All firing the brother will do is increase trump's popularity amongst the douchebag segment of the populace---they love that sort of pointless cruelty.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)What a miserable excuse for a human being. I only hope that karma catches up with him in this lifetime and that we are all around to see it. I want to see a spectacular fall.
Dukkha
(7,341 posts)to do literally ANYTHING he wants. A blank check for mayhem.
The acquittal was the final check box in the list of all the hallmark traits of a dictator.
NOW he is working his way down the checklist to genocide.

Texin
(2,849 posts)We are now witness - some are personally experiencing it - to the millions of "the Disappeared" - the people of the Gulag Archipelago who dared to raise their heads about the dictatorial regime.
tblue37
(68,385 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(130,010 posts)Every time he does some terrible thing somebody says, this is it, this will bring him down. And then it doesn't. This won't either.
But Mother Nature always bats last. He isn't immortal. It isn't what he does that will be the end of him; it's what he is.
Liberalhammer
(576 posts)With you.
The Republicans have proved they are just as much a domestic enemy and traitor as Trump is.
All they care about is power and wealth. It's all they ever cared about.
They must be defeated and removed from the lowest held office to the highest, laws changed, so a party of traitors can never again become tyrants.
It is all out war.
pandr32
(14,100 posts)Unfortunately, he has done many petty, vindictive things because he is such a thin-skinned tool and has no honor or integrity whatsoever. He also gets away with his nasty behavior.
He would have to be held accountable by someone with the power to do so. We have seen a nonviolent and methodical coup take place right under our noses ever since the asshat ran in the primaries culminating with a complete takeover of all branches of government and packing the courts with sycophant judges.
All that is left is the House and a coming election. He has clipped the wings of the Democrat-led Investigative Committees and has foreign help to interfere with the election...again/still. Looks like his little helper elves (or is it flying monkeys?) are already busy and made a mess of the recent caucuses.
The "firing of the brother" should bring him down because it was atrocious and wrong, but I won't hold out any hope.
iluvtennis
(21,483 posts)rocktivity
(45,006 posts)Especially if we can tie it to his pal in North Korea who arrests your parents and children as well as you
rocktivity
No. It won't. If nothing he has done so far has done it, this won't either. And if you think it will, you're delusional.
At this point, the Senate has made him pretty much untouchable and unaccountable.
It's gonna be a long, bad 9 months. Hopefully, there's not 4 more years after that.
Boomer
(4,397 posts)By now it is obvious that nothing Trump does will "bring him down." No action is too cowardly, mean-spirited or even illegal for his supporters to stomach.
starphlo
(25 posts)This is terrifying. A man/child exacting revenge
rustbeltvoice
(479 posts)sat in support of his brother at the hearing. That is more than enough reason, but further, Trump enjoys petty cruelty. The brothers are still in the military, yes? They were insulted. They did not lose their livelihoods [at least not yet]. So many people are dismissed from employment for petty revenge, so in that respect--not too much harm. Of course, Trump would relish being Henry VIII or any other mad potentate, where he could kill with impunity.
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)November 3, 2020
That's our ONE SHOT. If we lose, all is lost for all time. The United States of America that people bravely fought and died to preserve will be no more if we lose.And since the GOP Senate gave Donnie Dimwit complete authority to cheat at will, our ONLY chance to win is to overwhelm the polls in numbers too big to ignore.
Stuart G
(38,726 posts). The great majority of us dislike bullies, liar, and crooks. Most of us hate bullies. Trump is a bully, liar and a crook.
...Donald Trump sends out vibrations of hate, hate, and more hate. Most of us despise him. Zolorp, you are correct. If we get out the vote, that will take him down. All that has to be done, is those that do not like Trump, deep down inside, ....get out and VOTE...! Thank You for your post..
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)that has already been proven
coeur_de_lion
(3,941 posts)Captain Stern
(2,251 posts)Most people don't even know it happened.
And half the people that do know, don't care.
This will be out of the news in a couple of days.
sarisataka
(22,386 posts)That "will bring Trump down", but I might have missed a bunch.
I predict this will be as successful as all of the previous predictions.
rickford66
(6,057 posts)Republicans aren't suddenly s**t people, they're just getting s**tier.
spanone
(141,281 posts)bucolic_frolic
(54,751 posts)fire up the ancestral tree
3Hotdogs
(15,233 posts)Aviation Pro
(15,403 posts)Look it up.
Old Crow
(2,266 posts)I detest Trump as much as anyone on here. But there is so much wishful thinking on DU, so much of an echo chamber, that I think it's important to bring a plate of reality to the table. For the average American, this story boils down to "some relative of someone Trump hated also got canned." That's about it. If you think this will change the mind of a single Trump supporter, you're mistaken.
Bottom line: The amount of hate and divisiveness out there is so great it's hard to conceive of a revelation that would cause Trump's supporters to abandon him.
Orrex
(66,902 posts)Granted, any of them would bring down an actual president under the authority of the Constitution, but that's not the world we live in.
Until idiot Trump keels over drooling and shitting himself in the throes of a catastrophic and debilitating stroke, I have no interest in fantasies about which of his atrocities "will bring him down."
Calista241
(5,633 posts)and if the brother was a member of a gov't union, then maybe they have a case. The brother may come out of such a lawsuit with a nice financial settlement, but this is not going to bring down the Presidency. No way, no how.
The White House will get up there and say he's entitled to advice from staff that he's comfortable with and trusts, and they will be right.
Sunsky
(1,876 posts)Trump is vindictive. He is a mobster. If you cross the mob boss, your whole family and loved ones will also pay the price.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Republicans are so mentally screwed up that they either cheer their Neanderthal figurehead, or worse, remain silent. And the shittier their Chosen One behaves, the more liberating it is for his base. It pumps nitro into their zealousness.