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Qutzupalotl

(14,302 posts)
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 01:45 PM Feb 2020

Seth Abramson thread on retaliation

Thread by @SethAbramson:

The GOP is ignoring the grave danger inherent in Trump retaliating against the Vindmans, Sondland, Volker, Taylor, and Yovanovitch—whether or not he had authority to do so. Not only is there no evidence of wrongdoing by these folks, they're being harmed to *scare* whistleblowers.

1/ The GOP is aiding Trump in moving the Overton Window, making the once unthinkable routine. Presidents *can* fire anyone they want—but *don't*. They *don't* fire people for no reason. They *don't* fire people for a corrupt reason. They *don't* fire those who've acted honorably.

2/ There was a time when we assessed whether government actions were appropriate. If a president wildly deviated from common practice, we saw the pattern and asked "why." Now the GOP has introduced a wholly amoral analysis for *every* action by Trump: can he *technically* do it?

3/ The problem is that the GOP *isn't going to run this fall* on the slogan, "Trump technically could do that!"

No—*today* they'll say "he technically can do it," and *tomorrow* they'll tell America it's *good* that he did it.

And they'll *have to*—he's running for re-election.

4/ So as Trump started firing whistleblowers with no evidence of malfeasance, the GOP must be said to have *cheered* it, because in the final accounting that's *exactly* what some are doing and what *all* will *eventually* do. It signals that "right" doesn't matter in government.

5/ The GOP *knows* it's arguing in bad faith about what Trump is doing. When Trump fired Comey, Democrats rightly cried obstruction. Mueller agreed. *These* firings have Democrats saying they're *immoral*—and the GOP replies, "they're technically okay." Which isn't the objection.

6/ The standard for good governance—for members of both parties—is ETHICAL GOVERNANCE. In America we don't say, "Well, he had no good reason to do it, and in fact clearly had a corrupt reason to do it, but it's technically something he can do."

That is AMORAL. We are not AMORAL.

7/ Half the time, now, Republicans *coddle* unethical government. The rest of the time they're falling back on an *amoral malaise* that has nothing to do with serving our country well. *Never* do we hear Republicans, now, talking about what is actually honorable and just.

Never.

8/ Of course, with Trump's mass firings of whistleblowers—which is *exactly* what we should call this—an amoral reaction is in fact an *immoral* one. Because Republicans *know* that Trump didn't take these steps amorally—he did what he did to corruptly scare other whistleblowers.

9/ The *most* we get now is *this* feckless bullshit, below, which is almost worse than anything else because it seems specifically calibrated to *immunize* Trump—through the repetition of a key word to the point of meaninglessness—from any accountability.

10/ If you think the fear Trump is corruptly sowing in whistleblowers isn't real, consider my exchange, below, with @donwinslow—who says he knows of multiple DOJ whistleblowers who can blow the whistle on Barr shutting down *8* Trump investigations but are too scared to speak up.



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Zolorp

(1,115 posts)
2. In Germany it was *technically* legal to round up Jews and mass exterminate them in camps.
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 01:55 PM
Feb 2020

Just making the point, this is where being *technically* able to do things ends up.

EVERY. TIME!

rustbeltvoice

(430 posts)
3. Arguing in bad faith
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 01:57 PM
Feb 2020

has been standard operating procedure for Republicans before any of us were born.
Trump wants instant revenge on everybody who annoys him.
Why is this news to anyone?

volstork

(5,400 posts)
9. This is the thing I've been most afraid of.
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 04:07 PM
Feb 2020

This is what kept me up all night election night with my guts in knots.

SWBTATTReg

(22,112 posts)
4. Barr needs to be charged w/ obstruction of justice and then thrown into jail when he's found ...
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 02:25 PM
Feb 2020

guilty. All who have aided and abetted in the cover up of these rump crimes need to be found, face a court, and if found guilty, thrown into jail, w/ serious time.

crickets

(25,963 posts)
5. Absolutely. This is so chilling:
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 02:53 PM
Feb 2020
multiple DOJ whistleblowers who can blow the whistle on Barr shutting down *8* Trump investigations but are too scared to speak up


We NEED whistleblowers, now more than ever.

SWBTATTReg

(22,112 posts)
6. Yes, it is chilling. My only consolidation is that we are on the last year of this nightmare and ..
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 03:01 PM
Feb 2020

that better things are coming!

CaptainTruth

(6,589 posts)
10. I feel like Trump & his supporters are showing us how THEY want to be treated.
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 04:25 PM
Feb 2020

I, for one, am paying attention & taking notes, & I will never forget it
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