I am going to repeat this

[malaise]

Something is seriously wrong when Don the Con responds to the guest speaker at their prayer breakfast and says loudly that he does not agree with the Sermon on the Mount. He then proceeded to attack the Speaker of the House and Romney.

The silence from the fucking evangelicals, the so called religious leaders and ReTHUGs is deafening.

They are all cowards and hypocrites -they are as fake as the Con's skin color. I'm so glad I'm an atheist.

[no_hypocrisy]

1. The Evangelicals don't recognize The Antichrist when he's eating breakfast with them.

I'm an atheist too and can't believe how "People of Faith" are suckered so thoroughly.

[malaise]

2. It is both funny and sad to watch

They have never believed in anything but power, money and male entitlement.
It has always been ''let us PREY" on the gullible and make them pay for it as well.
I can't believe people can be so stupid.

[2naSalit]

8. +1

There were several zealots influencing my childhood hell, glad I escaped. I couldn't agree more.

[wnylib]

23. It's not stupidity. It's lack of

character and moral values. Incapacity for self-reflection. A schizophrenic-like split between what they do and feel vs. what they claim to believe.

Or, in simpler words, they're nut cases.

[malaise]

24. Yah think?

[Sophiegirl]

6. They have been brainwashed their entire life

From the moment they were old enough to go to Sunday School and most likely before that.

[Brother Mythos]

58. I'm glad to read I'm not the only one calling Individual-1 The Antichrist.

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If this guy isn't the epitome of the Christian Antichrist, then who is?

[czarjak]

76. Putin's richer.

[keithbvadu2]

80. For over 100 years, every President has been called the AntiChrist.

For over 100 years, every President has been called the AntiChrist.

[Crunchy Frog]

85. Most of them haven't actually behaved like it though.

Or been treated like it by their followers.

(Most presidents have supporters rather than followers).

[Brother Mythos]

95. That's it exactly.

Even after three years, I find it hard to believe that a significant number of people still follow Individual-1, a sociopathic, white-collar criminal, like he's a gift to them from heaven.

[lark]

66. Being raised Evangelical - I have wondered if drumpf or PUtin is the Antichrist.

I don't believe anymore and haven't for the past 50+ years. I'm a confirmed agnostic, I believe there might be some kind of Gaia spirit or something, but have no idea what it is or if it even is, and don't really care. I do believe in good and evil and think the rw is almost pure evil these days.

[Roy Rolling]

67. Or do they recognize him?

They just love Donald more than Jesus.

And that tells the story in Biblical terms—Trump culls out the phony, evangelical Christians from humble, God-fearing Christians. And it happens because Trump evangelicals are clueless hypocrites, willing to follow the man their own Bible warns them of being Satan in the flesh.

But they don’t listen and lock up kids in cages, steal from charities, and destroy the Earth’s resources. They have no faith in the God they profess to believe in.

[Crunchy Frog]

84. I'm pretty much atheist myself, and

Trump is practically the dictionary definition of the anti Christ.

[Kid Berwyn]

3. Hypocriminals.

And apart from Mittens and Amash, the GOP Senators and House members are HYPOCRIMINALS for their willing roles in obstruction of justice.

[malaise]

4. Dems need to be aggressive in condemning this

Remember the fake ReTHUG outrage against Rev Wright who merely preached about inequality in the USA

[TwilightZone]

5. The ends justify the means.

That's all it really boils down to. As long as they get rabid anti-abortion and anti-gay bills passed at the state levels, the federal level chips away at protections, and they get judges at all levels that will allow all that to happen, anything Trump does is fine.

[Flaleftist]

15. It's almost as if their religion is nothing but an excuse to be hateful bigots

[wnylib]

25. Bingo!! That's exactly what it is.

[Walleye]

31. The first rule of ethics: The end never justifies the means.

[TwilightZone]

39. That, of course, is the problem.

Ethics aren't high on their priority list.

[Sugarcoated]

92. Back in the late 1990s

when I was beginning to pay more attention to politics I was really turned off and angered watching how Clinton was constantly attacked, but not really knowing if there was anything real being investigated.(and of course, that was the point) I started listening watching and reading everything, left, right, local, you name it.

Misguided vote for Arlen Spector aside, I'd always voted Democrat because the issues always lined up with my morals and values, but I didn't really know know, like to explain or debate with a politically knowledgeable person about any of it. I considered both sides.

Of course it quickly became clear Republicans were making shit up and had a disingenuous way of spinning everything and they would get ugly and personal. I even listened to ole Rush Limbaugh and that really opened my eyes to how the right wing was operating. High and mighty, family values, military, Conservatives good/Libs bad, etc.

In 2000 I was keeping an open mind, liked McCain and was giving him a fair look. I remembered as little girl the live footage of the POW's walking out of the plane, my mom tearing up as the serviceman she sponsored walked down the plane steps, the salute. She got to take her rubber bracelet off. I mostly remember the skinny white haired good looking guy who got the most buzz.

Growing up, as far back as I could remember, I was terrified my older brother would likely get drafted into the Vietnam War and prayed every night, begged God to protect him, that the war would somehow end before he turned 18. As it turned out, it did and I will never forget the relief and joy I felt.

I saw John McCain as a hero for real and watched in disbelief as Rove/Bush disgustingly smeared him, a man who gave so much. The most vile, racist, unamerican smears. I had a hard time wrapping my head around it. The light bulb moment, the realization: With Republicans The Ends Justify The Means.

The Ends Justify The Means.

They didn't really care about the military, those men and women who bravely served. It was a mind blower for me. If they could turn on a war hero....

If the ends justify the means then they stand for nothing. And that makes them capable of anything.

I knew at that moment I would never, ever, EVER consider crossing the line to vote for political party with such a philosophy. I knew it could, and now we see it has, lead to evil.

[Arkansas Granny]

7. It has been a source of amazement to me how they justify their support

of a person who has a complete lack of morals. And their belief that he was sent by God to save our country really leaves me shaking my head. He is the antithesis of anything I ever heard when I went to church.

[gordianot]

9. I have studied this character now for at least 3 years.

After spending a lifetime in education as a special education teacher, child psychologist, administrator I have observed Trump from a safe distance many hours. My hobby is history both military and political history. I can point out how Donald Trump fits in the Diagnostic Statistical Manual. My conclusion he is beyond redemption and treatment, some of his followers may recover someday but not Donald Trump. Trump created a philosophy without a real name when he is gone it will remain as a belief and blight on humanity of pure malevolence. When dealing with Trump in religious terms he is just not the Anti Christ Donald Trump and his malevolence is the antithesis of any rational thought produced by the human species. Ignore him or his followers at your peril he is evil.

[Ilsa]

11. Good reply. My understanding is that

Children with diagnoses of this sort need special training while they are children in order to learn about others' feelings and how to adapt to have a functional life in the world. If trump hadn't been born into that family, I suspect he'd be in prison for serious felonies, including rape and manslaughter.

[gordianot]

17. That family had a lot to do with what Donald Trump became.

His Grandfather was into prostitution and fleecing miners. The Trump family fortune was built on defrauding the Government in housing. Donald is another chapter in the criminal enterprise and his children will carry on the family name. It will be interesting to see if one of the family someday turns on Donald Trump’s domestic abuse.

[plimsoll]

42. The fleecing miners part is problematic.

They got fleeced no doubt, and essentially every person who flocked to Alaska and the YT to sell stuff to miners was going to fleece them. The miners failed to learn the lessons of 1849, the miners go bust, the merchants make money, the financiers own the claims. It's a repeatable process followed by every gold and silver rush North America has had. So I agree the miners got fleeced, but the nature and kind of fleecing varied. Trump chose a kind of fleecing that damaged everyone but the pimp.

[malaise]

12. Ignore him or his followers at your peril he is evil

That he is

[paleotn]

38. +1000

[cilla4progress]

51. Sociopath,

or psychopath?

I think we all know he would orgasm at watching his "enemies" tortured and killed.

[gordianot]

57. I have met psychopaths.

The guy who killed his mother with an electrical cord beating her to death, the kid who shot a herd of horses with a 22. From history the man who played with feces and murdered millions. Trump may fit the old profile of Psychopath he is not mentally ill and is responsible for his mayhem.

[treestar]

10. With Republicans in the Senate you can figure he had something on them

Nothing explains why they let him get away with this; he'd only be replaced by Pence.

The Evangelists are even stranger. You'd think they'd want to get rid of him as Pence would be ideal for them.

It's a big conundrum.

[malaise]

13. I think the National Enquirer

and other such RW are a big part of this mess.

[Walleye]

21. David Pecker's vault must have caught and killed a lot of GOP dirt

[3Hotdogs]

14. Yeah, but Jesus and Donald don't like no abortion.

[Shrike47]

59. Although Jesus didn't talk about it, we just know.

[dlk]

16. Trump is the ultimate personification of the Dark Triad...

Machiavellianism, narcissism and psychopathy. Without a doubt he is at the far end of the continuum and most of his Republican enablers are on the same scale. They are dangerous.

[catbyte]

18. So am I. And if there was a heaven, I wouldn't want to go there if it's populated with

people like them. Yuck.

[malaise]

20. I'm still trying to figure out how their rotting corpses

fly (and most of them have been rotten long before they died)? That takes more imagination than I've attained in life

[vlyons]

19. and I'm so glad that I'm a Buddhist

which is non-theistic practice of compassion and wisdom. Alas the Evangelicals are merely an evil cult.

[pazzyanne]

22. This thread made for a very sad start to my Sunday.

Really miss SalmonEnchantedEvening today.

[malaise]

27. What happened to SalmonEnchantedEvening ?

Is he ill?

[greatauntoftriplets]

29. He's fine, but his computer is down for the count.

TexasTowelie has graciously agreed to take over for today. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10181315824

[malaise]

32. PHEW - had me scared for a minute

[greatauntoftriplets]

34. He's not happy about it either.

But he's working on a solution.

[pazzyanne]

45. No, but he always makes me feel better and starts my Sundays right.

[PinkTiger]

28. What happened?

I love their posts.

[Hotler]

26. Since the prayer breakfast was televised ....

we now the the faces and names of our enemy.

[MH1]

41. Is it available somewhere to re-watch? or transcript of drumf's remarks?

(yes I would need to restock the booze before/after watching, I'm sure)

I am particularly interested in the exact statements trashing the Sermon on the Mount.

[questionseverything]

86. the pastor had said we must love our enemies

trump said, I cant agree with that

I am sure trump did not realize it was Jesus who said, we must love our enemies, but it was chilling to see no one correct him

[malaise]

44. Excellent point

but it's not as if we didn't know who they are from way back when

[keithbvadu2]

61. The Prayer Breakfast where Christ's teachings were ridiculed before major Christians/evangelicals wh

The Prayer Breakfast where Christ's teachings were ridiculed before major Christians/evangelicals who applauded Trump.

[NoMoreRepugs]

30. To be an Evangelical Deplorable MAGAT

is a surefire ticket to the big KARMA rockcrusher that
lies out there somewhere. That my friends here at DU gives me great comfort.

[malaise]

33. You need some hearts

Let's go DUers

[radical noodle]

35. Most of those evangelicals

are just power-mad, money-grubbing haters. I prefer the type of religion that Rev. Barber brings to people.

[paleotn]

36. Evilgelicals abandoned much of Matthew decades ago.

Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy are more to their liking. They love all the smiting! As long as he protects....fetuses and guns!!!!!! .....they don't really care what he says. And, like the Russian Orthodox church, they think they'll share power with the orange tyrant. But he'll bulldoze them as soon as they're no longer useful. Idiots are just that....idiots.

[malaise]

37. Great post

[llmart]

40. "Something is seriously wrong with Don the Con".

I wish I had a nickel for every time I said that myself.

[Ferrets are Cool]

43. Could NOT agree more.

Well said.

[Dukkha]

46. He is a very strong argument for atheism

and the hopelessly corrupt evangelicals are a very strong argument against so-called "religious freedom"

[malaise]

49. He is a strong reason not to follow any of the snakeoil sales folks

That is different from why people are atheists - speaking for myself I simply don't believe in some imaginary being. I have no gods - I think everything can be explained by science and evolution.
I think all religions facilitate postponing reality. From I was a pre-teen I challenged by very Catholic mother on matters faith and belief. She genuinely believed and carried it to her death bed. She knew I didn't.
I don't challenge anyone's beliefs - everyone must decide for her/himself.

For some folks religion is about networking not belief.

[Dukkha]

63. Agreed and that's partuculary true for the Church of Satan

They are all about networking not belief. They share a common goal to expose the agenda of religious groups that are working under the false guise of religious freedom when challenged with to the inclusion of Satanism.

I adhere to Car Sagan's philosophy where you can believe whatever you want if it givers you peace of mind and inspires charitable works, but your personal beliefs end where the state and educational institutions are concerned. My mother is stage 4 Glioblastoma right now and in hospice care. If her faith gives her relief through her end of life care so be it.

[malaise]

64. +1,000

So be it is correct - hug her - that's what she really needs

[Baked Potato]

47. The subtle infighting is interesting. It's a crack in Trump's armor.

[malaise]

50. It's going to break wide open

and soon

[cilla4progress]

52. Please explain your

thinking on this, malaise!!

[Amaryllis]

48. I'm not an atheist but I don't believe in the God you don't believe in either!

[stillcool]

53. they're all caught with their..

pants down, and aren't even embarrassed. Just trading one demi-god, for another.

[MagickMuffin]

54. Grifters gotta GRIFT

It's a really easy job. Just target the gullible, they are extremely easy to manipulate!



And it's working!

[The Blue Flower]

55. "The abomination that causes desolation"

I think the bible describes him perfectly. It says that when you see it standing in the temple (think SOTU) its days are numbered. There is something preternaturally dark happening, and he is the vortex of it. Of course the scene has been set by the loony, evil right for decades.

[Wellstone ruled]

56. The so called Precher Squads

are in this just for the money. Just more Grifting in order to buy that new Jet. Or that Beach Front Mansion.

[Blue Owl]

60. Bamboozled by Beelzeblob

[guillaumeb]

62. Trump is not naturally orange?

This might cause him to lose the tangerine and apricot vote.

[LaelthsDaughter]

96. XD

That’s beautiful XD I hope he does loose votes.

[guillaumeb]

97. Welcome to DU, and this conversation.

Everything about Trump is phony.

[PatrickforO]

65. Yeah, that was completely disgraceful. No doubt there.

You want to see something funny? Here's the rationalization for an op-ed written in the Christian Post as a response to the Galli editorial against Trump that forced his (Galli's) resignation.

“One might well ask Mr. Galli how his obvious elitist disdain and corrosive condescension for fellow Christians with whom he disagrees … might well damage evangelical witness to an unbelieving world,” the Christian Post op-ed reads. “CT’s disdainful, dismissive, elitist posture toward their fellow Christians may well do far more long-term damage to American Christianity and its witness than any current prudential support for President Trump will ever cause.”

Think about that for a minute. I'd say evangelical witness has already been irreparably damaged in an 'unbelieving world.'

I'm not an atheist, nor even an agnostic. In the context of my own peculiar path, I'll say this: I believe the Christians have gotten the concept of 'salvation' wrong. Basically, in the current evangelical rubric, you a) hear an altar call, b) are absolutely overcome with how loathsome you are because of your sins, c) get on your knees and say the sinner's prayer, and then d) you are saved and your soul is now on 'autopilot' - when you die you'll automatically fly up to heaven.

That, friends, is a very libertarian model. Hooray for me, and fuck you! I'm saved and you're not! When I'm in heaven, you'll be gnashing your teeth in a lake of fire!

No. Salvation to my mind is a process whereby the human species 'grows up,' a process whereby we together decide to begin planning forward as a species, organizing ourselves so everyone has enough and we are preserving this earth we all share. It is COLLECTIVE, not INDIVIDUAL.

Oh-oh! My unicorn is showing!

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[malaise]

77. I remember the Op Ed - it was posted on DU

Interesting take on these self-righteous fleecers of men and women.
Thanks

[keithbvadu2]

81. "witness"

"witness"

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2017/december-web-only/roy-moore-doug-jones-alabama-editorial.html

"The Biggest Loser in the Alabama Election
It’s not Republicans or Democrats, but Christian witness."

"No matter the outcome of today’s special election in Alabama for a coveted US Senate seat, there is already one loser: Christian faith. When it comes to either matters of life and death or personal commitments of the human heart, no one will believe a word we say, perhaps for a generation. Christianity’s integrity is severely tarnished."

[Karadeniz]

82. You are quite right. Christianity's demise began around the Nicaea meeting. The history of

Christianity is a demonstration of corruption. Just sad.

[PatrickforO]

88. Indeed. The mystic part of the faith was taken away at Nicaea.

When the early Christians declared the Gnostic perspective heresy, it was downhill from there. The idea that the success of a faith is measured by the number of converts is as bad as the libertarian ideas around individual salvation and the selling out of all other Christian perspectives for the sake of the one issue - abortion.

Well, enough of that. Each person believes what they believe and is on his/her own path.

Problem is, if these people get their way it affects all of us too, and not just the evangelical right-wing-nuts.

[spanone]

68. Evangelicals have nothing to do with religion...it's all about money.

God is only the excuse for fleecing people.

[WyattKansas]

87. Bingo!!!

They worship Mammon.

[Dustlawyer]

69. Had to give a heart to the DU member that kept checking on me during hurricane

Harvey and Tropical storm Imelda! Thanks Malaise for being here and caring about others!

[malaise]

71. I have not seen you in ages

Lovely to see you

[mahina]

70. Yes

[Beartracks]

72. He actually said that? "I don't agree with the Sermon on the Mount"?

==========

[malaise]

73. Watch it - I doubt the fool knew Arthur was quoting from the Sermon on the Mount

[Beartracks]

74. Oh, God, you want me to watch his lips move while sounds come out??

============

[malaise]

75. On the other hand you'll howl with laughter at the bullshit and

insincerity - it's breath-taking

[rufus dog]

78. Sat next to an attendee on a flight Friday night

She brought up a person she met who sent vans around to Plan Parenthood sites to provide "options" to Planned Parenthood.

I commented that is sounds like that was an option or a choice, which seemed like a good thing. The blank look in her eyes was terrifying.

She brought up Pelosi, who she said attended, and didn't follow up with anything negative about her or anything positive about tRump, so I let it slide.

[ramen]

79. Yes. Their fair-weather faith is as real as that guy's bone spurs. nt

[Missn-Hitch]

83. Me too. Cheers!

[Joinfortmill]

89. And they're afraid of a fake

a fake billionaire, a liar, a fraud, a traitor, an accused sexual assaulter, and a guy with the world's worst comb-over.

[Nitram]

90. Truth!

[brewens]

91. That keynote speaker Trump shit on has to be a very loyal Family member. He has to be pissed

off but hasn't said anything about it yet. There is no way he would have gave a speech like he did if he had any clue what Trump was going to say.

I found this by him. He actually uses the word dignity in a piece about Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/01/24/arthur-brooks-the-word-dignity-explains-why-trump-is-president/

[Dorian Gray]

93. I think the evangelical leaders

have mostly shown their lack of ethics and that being adjacent to power is more important to them than the central message of Jesus and the Bible. Their White Christian Identiy is more important to them than the beatitudes.

[BlueJac]

94. Spot on malaise!