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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Russian propaganda is certainly working. Shameful.
Link to tweet
Americans consistently have expressed little confidence in Russian President Vladimir Putin. But Republicans are now 21 points more likely than Democrats to express confidence him (31% vs. 10%), the widest partisan gap in our polling. https://pewrsr.ch/375lQsC
Johnny2X2X
(19,051 posts)Russian propaganda right now is focused exclusively in dividing the Democratic Party.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)cause fucking with the libs is the sum total of their policy concerns ...
Igel
(35,300 posts)It is, as it has been for a long time, focused on sowing dissent and division.
That's not "exclusive" to any one group because it neither needs to be nor serves the goal.
The narrative is that the Russians were pro-Trump from the beginning. The evidence is they were pro-division in the US from the beginning, with a special (but not exclusive) focus on HRC because for Putin some things she (eventually) did/said were personal. But the sowing of division included targeting whoever was in the lead for (R), and just messing with internal factions in the (D) party. And as soon as Trump won, some Russian sources were pushing anti-Trump "news" because it would rile up (D) even more.
Even the DNC hack--the news at the time, not the news available because it confirmed biases--was part of a much larger spear phishing campaign--one that the Obama FBI even said included the RNC. Most companies (and the RNC) didn't fall for the phishing or had safeguards or heeded the warnings. The DNC did not and succumbed twice, warnings and self-proclaimed greater tech-savvy notwithstanding. The point being that, once again, the (D) were not the exclusive target or necessarily the primary goal.
Remember: Pro-Trump views were #3 in the list of goals that the holy and all-wise interagency summary cited in 2017, and those views were *late* to the table in 2016. The idea that the Russians are and always have been just pro-Trump and anti-(D) is because of too narrow a focus on the "us", not the US.
I thought it was lunacy when Russia was called a "foe" and everybody went ballistic over it. See those earlier numbers for (D) in that chart? "The '80s want their foreign policy back," indeed. They tried for peregruzka to mean "reload" and it means "overload"--which was much more fitting, IMHO. Russophobia become the new trendy xenophobia on the left (which is really quite strange, because it really is just a return of Russian foreign policy to the '80s and before, when support for Russia in the US was mostly on the left--except that this time it affected politics, and that makes it personal).
While the Russians are a still a threat, notice that the intelligence from the sacred and all-seeing interagency now puts China and Iran at least tied with Russia. However, we only have eyes for Putin.
Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)does that count?
dalton99a
(81,455 posts)58Sunliner
(4,384 posts)So @11.47% of registered Americans is the real figure. Still sick. Do they have an expedited immigration policy in Russia these people could take advantage of?? I'd help fund it.
wendyb-NC
(3,322 posts)They can get their grimy selves a windfall of dark money for their future campaigns, their personal embellishment, and powerful influence on how things are done in this country. He owns their souls.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)confidence in what about putin? i have confidence that he will do anything to destroy America. full confidence.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)the sum total of republican's policy concerns is fucking with the libs.
Putin fucks with the libs, BAD ASS!
muriel_volestrangler
(101,307 posts)TwilightZone
(25,467 posts)As it notes on the graph and in the article.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,307 posts)and then supporting Assad in Syria. But the Republicans confidence in Putin "to do the right thing concerning world affairs" doubled. That's how much the Republicans really do believe that Putin helped Trump, and will again - they overlook him taking territory, causing a war and propping up a dictator, because his interference in US elections was that valuable to them.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)This Cretin is buddying up with Autocrats and alienating our long time Allies. Yet his evil and/or dumb fans are oblivious to it or dont care.
2020 may well be our last chance to stop this slide toward Fascism. So no time for hurt feelings vote Blue no matter who.
world wide wally
(21,740 posts)Coincidence?
Just_Vote_Dem
(2,804 posts)Ugh
Walleye
(31,015 posts)Bloomberg should do ads against Putin
Walleye
(31,015 posts)Or any of the other rights they hold dear?
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)Trump is pushing the Putin is a good guy agenda! Mitch McConnell is there also.
eShirl
(18,490 posts)Yeehah
(4,585 posts)Their leader constantly tells his vapid followers that opposing political parties are the enemies of the people.
superpatriotman
(6,247 posts)They should move there.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Just trying time encourage them to GO, if theyre so smitten with the place.
Not that long ago, Republicans used to shout at us libs: You dont like America? Why dont you move to Russia!
I doubt they see the irony.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)Russia is using religion to control its people. American religious right wingers are jealous.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)but an informative article nonetheless.
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/security/reports/2018/10/03/458841/origins-russias-broad-political-assault-united-states/
By James Lamond Posted on October 3, 2018, 9:03 am
The Origins of Russias Broad Political Assault on the United States
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LOE 3: Courting of conservative institutions
Around the same time that the IRA was ramping up its efforts in the United States and Russian hackers were growing increasingly bold against American targets, there was what appears to have been a very deliberate and concerted outreach on behalf of the Kremlin to court and foster relationships with influential conservative political groups.
Deepening ties to the National Rifle Association (NRA): The most thoroughly explored of these relationships is that between the Kremlin and the NRA. In a preliminary report on their investigation between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives, Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee wrote that they had obtained a number of documents that suggest the Kremlin used the National Rifle Association as a means of accessing and assisting Mr. Trump and his campaign.48 The FBI is also reportedly investigating whether Russia used the NRA to illegally funnel money into the United States to help then-candidate Trump win the election.49 Furthermore, a Justice Department criminal complaint against Russian agent Maria Butina issued in July 2018 outlines her extensive effort to use or work with the NRA to expand her influence in American politics. Funded by a Kremlin-aligned oligarch, Butina reported back to a high-level government official and close associate of Putin. According to the affidavit, Butina specifically sought to penetrate the U.S. national decision-making apparatus.50 Butina revealed her strategy in a March 2015 email, writing that the Republican Party is traditionally associated with negative and aggressive foreign policy, particularly with regards to Russia. However, now with the right to negotiate seems best to build konstruktivnyh [sic] relations.51 The fact that she was already in the United States, collecting intelligence, and developing a strategy suggests that the operation began earlier than 2015.
Russias outreach to the evangelical community: In this period, Putin began building and strengthening existing ties with leaders from another group that is highly influential in American conservative politics: the evangelical movement.52
The most notable example is a 45-minute meeting that took place in December 2015 between Putin and evangelical leader Franklin Graham, during which Graham reportedly secured Putins support for a conference on the persecution of Christians.53 According to The Washington Post, Putin went beyond what Graham was seeking and offered to organize the conference himself. Graham later called on his followers to support a 2017 meeting between Presidents Trump and Putin, accusing the media and enemies of President Trump of trying to drive a wedge between Russia and the United States, and adding that our country needs Russia as an ally.