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Sun Feb 9, 2020, 11:32 PM

One of the most scary things I have ever read. We are well down the road to a Police State.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142431046

So Rudy G. is now free to get paid by Russia to bring back Russian propaganda and
feed those lies to Bill Barr and the D.O.J. in order to hurt people who that Trump/Putin
see as enemies. I.O.W. now that the Republicans in the Senate voted to acquit Trump
the D.O.J. is going to do the exact same things that Trump was impeached for and now
do it in the open.

Jesus this is scary shit.

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Reply One of the most scary things I have ever read. We are well down the road to a Police State. (Original post)
Botany Feb 2020 OP
Miguelito Loveless Feb 2020 #1
cilla4progress Feb 2020 #37
demtenjeep Feb 2020 #2
Takket Feb 2020 #3
2naSalit Feb 2020 #4
ancianita Feb 2020 #9
2naSalit Feb 2020 #13
ancianita Feb 2020 #14
2naSalit Feb 2020 #16
ancianita Feb 2020 #17
Tanuki Feb 2020 #44
ancianita Feb 2020 #50
murielm99 Feb 2020 #40
world wide wally Feb 2020 #5
murielm99 Feb 2020 #6
Desert grandma Feb 2020 #8
wnylib Feb 2020 #23
SergeStorms Feb 2020 #31
wnylib Feb 2020 #38
murielm99 Feb 2020 #30
SergeStorms Feb 2020 #33
murielm99 Feb 2020 #36
wnylib Feb 2020 #39
GReedDiamond Feb 2020 #12
EndlessWire Feb 2020 #20
SergeStorms Feb 2020 #34
Cosmocat Feb 2020 #43
SamKnause Feb 2020 #7
ancianita Feb 2020 #10
SamKnause Feb 2020 #19
ancianita Feb 2020 #24
SamKnause Feb 2020 #25
ancianita Feb 2020 #28
SamKnause Feb 2020 #29
ancianita Feb 2020 #32
notinkansas Feb 2020 #18
SamKnause Feb 2020 #21
notinkansas Feb 2020 #26
SamKnause Feb 2020 #27
aggiesal Feb 2020 #11
ancianita Feb 2020 #22
Celerity Feb 2020 #41
aggiesal Feb 2020 #45
Nay Feb 2020 #48
notinkansas Feb 2020 #15
certainot Feb 2020 #35
Nay Feb 2020 #49
duforsure Feb 2020 #42
leftyladyfrommo Feb 2020 #46
Initech Feb 2020 #47
blm Feb 2020 #51
democratisphere Feb 2020 #52
Algernon Moncrieff Feb 2020 #53

Response to Botany (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 11:33 PM

1. I keep telling people this,

And get derided for being hysterical or defeatist.

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Response to Miguelito Loveless (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:35 AM

37. I have heard that

too.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 11:35 PM

2. we need to keep sounding the alarm every day twice a day-whatever it takes BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 11:37 PM

3. we are firing people that comply with Congress and produce facts, and "investigating" conspiracy

theories.

some seriously fucked up shit going on. i hope if we manage to get a Demo president and congress that said president will work with Congress to take away a lot of these bullshit "executive powers" that now basically seem to mean "there is no oversight anymore". Like this nonsence of saying everything is "privileged" and spend a year in court if you want to see it is downright dangerous to the nation. even if drumpf LOSES in the courts, look how much damage he does in the year the cases spend there!

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 12:10 AM

4. It's getting so that I dread

waking up every day to find out new horrors... which is exactly what they want. This is 1984, Animal Farm and The Shock Doctrine all at once on fucking steroids.

We had better fight it with all we've got because this is the fight for our lives on every level.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:20 AM

9. Read Oliver Bullough's "Moneyland,"(2020) and you'll see a whole nother level this serves.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:32 AM

13. Okay

I think I can guess but I'll check that one out.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:34 AM

14. Just a suggestion, nothing more. But it is overwhelming.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:36 AM

16. Thanks.

I'll put it on my list anyway, not sure I am done being overwhelmed by the past ten days yet.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:37 AM

17. Heh heh. I hear you. I read this stuff to exercise my fear.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 07:48 AM

44. Sounds like an interesting book...here's a review from the Guardian:

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Response to Tanuki (Reply #44)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 06:39 PM

50. Thanks.

The review mentions McMafia, which I read years ago, and is still relevant.

The network is confounding but there are forensic experts who can ferret out the starting point for hidden money making, which Moneyland explains.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:21 AM

40. Every time a special report interrupts

a television program, I say to my husband, "What did the son of a bitch do NOW?"

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 12:18 AM

5. Hold on tight and we'll get through this election and the world will be ours again

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 12:43 AM

6. I like the way you think,

but that will only be the beginning. It will take years to repair the damage. Then, we will have to be sure that it never happens again.

I hope it can be accomplished in what is left of my lifetime.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:10 AM

8. In the unlikely event that he wins re-election...

we can always go to Mexico or Canada and ask for asylum. "Sarcasm"

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Response to Desert grandma (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:43 AM

23. Well, I am not far from the Canadian border

and it has crossed my mind, without sarcasm.

Remember, in Nov, 2016, that the Canadian website on immigration crashed from all the Americans checking it out?

Then, during the Muslim ban soon after inauguration, Canada was flooded with Muslims from the US seeking asylum. Canada accepted them.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #23)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:20 AM

31. I'm not far either, wnylib.

I think we live less than 50 miles apart (I'm about 25 miles west of Rochester), and I'm seriously considering moving to Canada if Trump (Dog forbid) gets re-elected. I can't take another 4 years of this, and you know it's going to get much worse.

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #31)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:11 AM

38. Yes, we are practically neighbors.

Who knows? We might meet some day in Ontario.

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Response to Desert grandma (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:07 AM

30. My daughter is married to a Canadian citizen.

She is in the process of applying for Canadian citizenship.

But why would they want me in Canada? I have nothing to contribute, and I am elderly.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #30)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:24 AM

33. Anything on a volunteer basis?

Every country needs volunteers, and as long as you pay taxes there I don't see why they wouldn't allow you to stay. Say you're a caregiver for your daughter's children (if they have any, or are planning on any). Anything is worth a shot. The U.S. has failed us, that's for sure.

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #33)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:29 AM

36. A long time ago,

I was a literacy volunteer. I helped adults learn to read.

But for most of my life, my volunteering has been limited to political activism. I am a low level grassroots activist. I started out helping my dad when he volunteered for Adlai Stevenson. I was eight years old. I am proud of my activism, and I will continue it until I can no longer do so. But I can't see that being an asset in Canada.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #30)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:12 AM

39. That's my concern, too.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:26 AM

12. The GovtOfPutin GOP...

...under Moscow Mitch, Putin's Bitch has been stacking the federal courts with dominionist-fascists at an alarming rate.

Lifetime appointments.

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Response to GReedDiamond (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:42 AM

20. Well, let's change that.

Let's have term limits on the SC.

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Response to EndlessWire (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:26 AM

34. Term limits EVERYWHERE!

Term limits and public funding of elections are two things we need immediately. Of course with rethuglicans in charge there's absolutely no chance of that happening.

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 07:18 AM

43. Fine point - it does not end there

The stupid mixed with big $ and foreign policy is at DEFCON 1 in this country. The opposition to Democrats will be just as strong and absurd as their support of a chrisofascist state is.

We are going to have to fight with all we have for the next decade plus to just hold on to what we have right now.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:05 AM

7. I have been warning people since before Trump won.

I was a Bernie supporter.

I voted for Hillary.

I talked other Bernie supporters in to voting for Hillary.

I knew what was coming.

I didn't like Hillary.

I cried for 3 days when she lost.

I knew what was coming.

I wish I was wrong.

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:21 AM

10. +1

Exact same experience.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:40 AM

19. It is nice to know I am not alone.



It has been a nightmare and they are feeling emboldened.

They are capable of anything.

They don't think like we do.

They don't value what we value.

They don't believe in democracy.

They don't believe in freedom.

The White Supremacists have grown in numbers.

His cult will do anything for him and they are all heavily armed.

Trump makes threats out in the open.

It is truly terrifying how fast things will change.

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:45 AM

24. Yes, it could. I've been planning for this. If you can, I suggest you do.

Better to be be a wrong pessimist than a wrong optimist.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:48 AM

25. I have done all that I can.

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:53 AM

28. I hear you. All the best. I feel everyone's pain. I was hollering on 2016 election night,

and have been screaming inside ever since.

For millions, the house was so comfortable they left the back door open.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #28)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:03 AM

29. Dark times ahead.

We will be under a dictatorship in the midst of abrupt and irreversible climate change.

What a fucking twofer.

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #29)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:22 AM

32. I know. I sometimes escape to when I thought it was worse. And until recently, it was.

My comfort was reading to sort out thinking, and music to sort out feeling.

I think of CSNY's "Carry On."

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:37 AM

18. I'm right there with you, except

I knew I wasn't wrong. I knew a Trump presidency would end badly.

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Response to notinkansas (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:43 AM

21. I didn't say I was wrong.

I said I wish I was wrong.

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:50 AM

26. sorry - gotcha

I didn't mean to imply that you did.

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Response to notinkansas (Reply #26)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:53 AM

27. No problem.

I figured you just read it incorrectly.

Thanks.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:22 AM

11. Of course as long as it's for Pendejo's re-election ...

to quote Nixon
“Whenever the President does it, that means that it is not illegal.”

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:43 AM

22. Pendejo. Yes. I hope it trends here.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:43 AM

41. before i go to sleep, remember boys and girls, PENDEJO is how we say Republican in Spanish

¡buenas noches!


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Response to Celerity (Reply #41)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 08:53 AM

45. I always call HIM Pendejo45 n/

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Response to Celerity (Reply #41)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:44 PM

48. A mi me gusta mucho!

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:35 AM

15. EVERY repub senator

who voted 'not guilty' needs to lose their seat. No exceptions.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:27 AM

35. it only works because we ignore rw radio- the biggest political mistake in history

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Response to certainot (Reply #35)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:45 PM

49. Yep. Been saying this for years. nt

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 07:02 AM

42. putin is behind this

And trump, so this shouldn't be a surprise he has trump trying to hurt his political opponents , especially ones putin hates the most. We're being brought to the same thing putin has done to russia, where opponents and opposition become criminals by having manufactured false evidence to use against them with. If trump gets in again from rigging this election he'll start trying to criminalize Obama, and others in his administration and other presidents he'll claim were corrupt, why , because he knows he's corrupt and it will be exposed he's the corrupt one.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:33 AM

46. We haven't been a democracy for a long time. Maybe never.

Big business has been in control. Police have always been brutal.

Men have been misogynist for ever. Women were underclass. Gays were subject to unspeakable brutality. Blacks, Hispanic and Asians lived under constant threat. They lived and worked as quietly as they could and stayed under the radar.

Now it is just out in the open. And it's pretty ugly.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 11:01 AM

47. I've been saying since the acquittal:

Now that Trump has been vindicated, he's going to go full asshole, and he will use his executive powers to do some unspeakable things. It's going to get very ugly very quickly.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 06:45 PM

51. Horror show. And now BLM is ordered to defer to TeaParty sheriffs.

So effed and the news media can’t even cover it all.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 06:45 PM

52. When this nightmare is behind US, there are going to be a whole bunch

of egomaniac lawyers that are going to be disbarred and will never practice law again. THIS will happen.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 06:46 PM

53. To be fair, I think we've been well down that road since the Patriot Act passed

Trump is exploiting the fact that the courts and one house of Congress won't do a thing to stop him.

As it says in scripture...This too shall pass.

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