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babylonsister

(171,032 posts)
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:50 PM Feb 2020

Lindsey Graham Implicates William Barr in Massive Scandal, on Live Television



the national interest 10:16 A.M.
Lindsey Graham Implicates William Barr in Massive Scandal, on Live Television
By Jonathan Chait


Yesterday, Senator Lindsey Graham appeared on Face the Nation and blurted out an apparent confession of what, if true, would be a scandal of Nixonian proportions. Graham reported he had spoken with Attorney General William Barr that morning. “The Department of Justice is receiving information coming out of the Ukraine from Rudy,” he reported, explaining that Barr “told me that they’ve created a process that Rudy could give information and they would see if it’s verified.”

Graham explained why, in his opinion, this state of affairs is appropriate: “Rudy Giuliani is a well-known man. He’s a crime fighter. He’s loyal to the president. He’s a good lawyer.” On the contrary, he is describing an arrangement that is not only the appearance of a conflict of interest but a massive abuse on its face.

First, Giuliani is not a government official. He is representing Donald Trump as an individual, a fact he has made perfectly clear. He boasted to the New York Times last May that he was seeking to uncover “information will be very, very helpful to my client, and may turn out to be helpful to my government.” The distinction between “will” and “may” was Rudy’s open acknowledgement that he was looking out for Trump, not the U.S. government, and that the interests of the two might not be the same. He was even more clear in a letter to Ukrainian President Zelensky, which his former partner, Lev Parnas, produced. The letter stated Giuliani was representing Trump “as a private citizen, not as President of the United States”:

So, can any private citizen have their lawyer send allegations to Barr? What is this special “process” he created to let Rudy supply him with allegations? Is it a 1-800 number, a drop box, or what? Has Barr told the Democratic candidates how the process works so they can have their lawyers feed their own leads to him?
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The second problem here is that Giuliani is not only representing a presidential candidate as his personal client. He is working in close contact with foreign partners who have a combination of personal interests and foreign-policy goals that do not line up with U.S. interests. He has not disclosed who is paying him for his work, but he was paid half a million dollars by Parnas, who was in turn paid by Dymtro Firtash, a Russian oligarch whose work tends to advance Russian foreign-policy interests. This raises the strong possibility that Giuliani is effectively a paid backchannel for Russian propaganda, and he now has a special line into the Department of Justice.

Third, Giuliani himself is the reported subject of a criminal investigation. Two of his partners have already been arrested, and the Department of Justice is reportedly pursuing the possibility of charges against Giuliani as well. (He allegedly pursued his own profit-making scheme in Ukraine, and seems to have committed campaign finance violations, by funneling foreign donations to Republican allies.)

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Lindsey Graham Implicates William Barr in Massive Scandal, on Live Television (Original Post) babylonsister Feb 2020 OP
Expect an excuse of having "misspoke" shortly. BSdetect Feb 2020 #1
He was misquoted by his own mouth. CaptYossarian Feb 2020 #12
CY.....we are soooo fucked N/C DENVERPOPS Feb 2020 #19
We are every time the GOP slithers into the WH. CaptYossarian Feb 2020 #22
Strange that no one else has noticed this connection. GOP disaster/corruption erronis Feb 2020 #39
This is a very big deal pandr32 Feb 2020 #2
The dems and the news media should be all over this. Horrible SummerSnow Feb 2020 #51
Yes, they should pandr32 Feb 2020 #54
Rumors have it that patphil Feb 2020 #3
LOL onetexan Feb 2020 #18
Deep tongue, shallow mind. lagomorph777 Feb 2020 #32
No, deep brown nose! burrowowl Feb 2020 #37
The GOP mafia are operating out in the open. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #4
Yes Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2020 #6
LOL, yes. This is merely "disappointing" and "inappropriate". BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #10
Expect them out shortly Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2020 #11
We should probably ask the DOJ to investigate this.... Takket Feb 2020 #5
Exactly! mountain grammy Feb 2020 #52
Who would hold him accountable? Nobody Maru Kitteh Feb 2020 #7
It's frightening that there can be no oversight while GOP holds power joost5 Feb 2020 #50
Bollocks! Rudy has always given shit to Barr rusty fender Feb 2020 #8
Right - now they are setting up the reveal lame54 Feb 2020 #15
Zactly. Duppers Feb 2020 #17
And the GOP Senate gave them the green light to do so Docreed2003 Feb 2020 #9
Trump is a crime boss, and Rudy is one of his goons Martin Eden Feb 2020 #13
Has the DOJ spoken out or do they not care that they look like they're on the take?!! uponit7771 Feb 2020 #14
A scandal of Nixonian proportions??? Rider3 Feb 2020 #16
15 Flusher makes Nixon look like a good guy burrowowl Feb 2020 #38
Irrelevant. This abuse is allowed for republicans. Lucky Luciano Feb 2020 #20
Is that on Rudy's resume? "Crime fighter"? paparush Feb 2020 #21
He was a prosecutor when he was sane. CaptYossarian Feb 2020 #23
Rudy has never been "sane" jmowreader Feb 2020 #27
Okay, before he resembled Nosferatu. CaptYossarian Feb 2020 #41
I can live with that jmowreader Feb 2020 #42
MOST interesting! We need to make a note of this. calimary Feb 2020 #24
They are dumber that all the mobsters of past years BUT the difference is bluestarone Feb 2020 #25
This may be what saves us... liberalla Feb 2020 #30
Where is the DOJ IG?! Why are they quiet ?! uponit7771 Feb 2020 #26
** What ARE they cooking up? liberalla Feb 2020 #28
Key: Giuliani subject of criminal investigation & two partners arrested & charged. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2020 #29
And nothing can be done about it. OliverQ Feb 2020 #31
News organizations Need to find out who is paying Rudy TeamPooka Feb 2020 #33
Firtash n/t Eyeball_Kid Feb 2020 #35
Great points. Pepsidog Feb 2020 #34
It's all the same fucking scandal. He's already been impeached, tried, and let off the hook for it. maxsolomon Feb 2020 #36
Even the Face The Nation interviewer had the good sense to ask Graham 'Why isn't that a problem..... usaf-vet Feb 2020 #40
When the levers are pulled, these folks have it coming to them in spades? Brainfodder Feb 2020 #43
I am ready for these volstork Feb 2020 #44
Bizarro world. sellitman Feb 2020 #45
Just add it to the pile of corruption that will have zero consequences. Marie Marie Feb 2020 #46
K&R reACTIONary Feb 2020 #47
Just keeps getting worse, doesn't it? n/t PatrickforO Feb 2020 #48
Doesn't mean a thing when the country is run by a dictatorship Ferrets are Cool Feb 2020 #49
and has Repubs and Barr, DOJ to back Trump up. riversedge Feb 2020 #53
And, as it seems quite clear now...the ability to STOP any investigations or Ferrets are Cool Feb 2020 #55

erronis

(15,181 posts)
39. Strange that no one else has noticed this connection. GOP disaster/corruption
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:40 PM
Feb 2020

Leave the Democrats with the mess to clean up.

Lie [stet] low for a cycle and then rinse/lather, repeat.

Meanwhile the moneybags funding these exercises are stealing from the treasury.

patphil

(6,150 posts)
3. Rumors have it that
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:56 PM
Feb 2020

Rudy will be passing his information to Bill Barr via clandestine meetings in an undisclosed parking garage outside Washington DC.
Rudy, undercover name is "deep tongue".

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,392 posts)
6. Yes
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:00 PM
Feb 2020

But thank goodness Trump didn't get removed from the ballot! THAT would have been horrible- per Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski

joost5

(421 posts)
50. It's frightening that there can be no oversight while GOP holds power
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 11:40 AM
Feb 2020

Winning back the Presidency and Senate is a must.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
8. Bollocks! Rudy has always given shit to Barr
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:02 PM
Feb 2020

In fact, Barr went on a world tour in search of shit on Ukraine, and the Bidens. The U.S.’s Attorney General is entirely a political arm of the Trumpass re-election campaign

Martin Eden

(12,844 posts)
13. Trump is a crime boss, and Rudy is one of his goons
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:40 PM
Feb 2020

AG Barr is a high ranking goon in the operation.

Republicans in Congress are co-opted the way Al Capone paid off or intimidated corrupt city officials.

Rider3

(919 posts)
16. A scandal of Nixonian proportions???
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:47 PM
Feb 2020

Really? Because Trump's impeachment counts were much worse than whatever Nixon ever did. Nixon's actions were child's play. Trump's are so far beyond being corrupt -- in the open, no less -- that it well surpasses anything Nixon ever did.

burrowowl

(17,632 posts)
38. 15 Flusher makes Nixon look like a good guy
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:37 PM
Feb 2020

and at least Nixon didn't shred the Constitution.

Trump et al are gangsters run amok!

paparush

(7,964 posts)
21. Is that on Rudy's resume? "Crime fighter"?
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:59 PM
Feb 2020

MFer is basically a shadow state department operating without oversight.

jmowreader

(50,528 posts)
42. I can live with that
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 06:01 PM
Feb 2020

I can see why Trump likes the guy: he "cleaned up New York City" by turning it into a police state.

bluestarone

(16,859 posts)
25. They are dumber that all the mobsters of past years BUT the difference is
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:04 PM
Feb 2020

The WHOLE (except Romney) Rethuglicon senate is covering their ASS'S! That's the BIG difference WE have to change in NOVEMBER!!!

liberalla

(9,224 posts)
30. This may be what saves us...
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:20 PM
Feb 2020

Drump is really bad at everything, including crime. So clumsy and obvious. Too emotional and impulsive. Like Rick Wilson says, everything drump touches dies.

liberalla

(9,224 posts)
28. ** What ARE they cooking up?
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:09 PM
Feb 2020

Something big, bad and convoluted. They have to fabricate/coordinate supporting fake documents and phony evidence. Maybe deep fake videos... They're not looking for dirt, they're creating it. I expect them to be first rate forgeries. They are playing for all the marbles.

TeamPooka

(24,205 posts)
33. News organizations Need to find out who is paying Rudy
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:34 PM
Feb 2020

Need to find out who is paying Rudy
Because it’s not trump

maxsolomon

(33,244 posts)
36. It's all the same fucking scandal. He's already been impeached, tried, and let off the hook for it.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:25 PM
Feb 2020

This is just (further) confirmation. The POTUS is coordinating a disinformation campaign with the GRU and the Rooshin Mob. The AG is either abetting it or humoring President Asshole and his senile, gullible "lawyer".

The DOJ is corrupted and compromised. Nothing will be done until Trump is gone.

usaf-vet

(6,161 posts)
40. Even the Face The Nation interviewer had the good sense to ask Graham 'Why isn't that a problem.....
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:11 PM
Feb 2020
.... government (taxpayer money) paying for opposition research for the2020 election paid for by the taxpayer". Then she followed up with "who's paying Rudy". The first answer was totally a bunch of words and phrases strung together. The second got this from Graham "I don't know who's paying Rudy"

So I have a question for Suzy Collins so is this what you think is learning his lesson. Trump, Giuliani, Ukraine, and Bidens. What has changed? Nothing!

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
43. When the levers are pulled, these folks have it coming to them in spades?
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 06:27 PM
Feb 2020

Hang the lot of them slow upside down with mirrors surrounding them, oh what a fitting end for these evil faux!

Record every second of it, full confessors may get a reprieve but those noose marks, they last, how deep will yours go Moscow Mitch, that's one hell of a pouch, sir!
*kaplooooey*

What a dream I had, eh?


The brazenness is what is different now, it's not your imagination.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,102 posts)
55. And, as it seems quite clear now...the ability to STOP any investigations or
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:00 PM
Feb 2020

prosecutions sentences they want.

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