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H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:18 PM Feb 2020

Never Forget

“Remember that all through history, there have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they seem invincible. But in the end, they always fall. Always.” -- Gandhi

Never forget that Donald J. Trump is the only president that has been impeached in the 21st century. And there isn't anything that he can do to change that.

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Never Forget (Original Post) H2O Man Feb 2020 OP
Only hope the democratic payback lasts solidly for the next century. ffr Feb 2020 #1
It will be the end of the repugs party. Butterflylady Feb 2020 #13
In my opinion the Republican Party has been dying for a long time... it finally died when Still In Wisconsin Feb 2020 #54
I hope so. H2O Man Feb 2020 #15
Come November there is payback. Trump is a liar, crook, and bully..He is proud of it. He thinks Stuart G Feb 2020 #2
you are assuming the election will be free and fair.... Grasswire2 Feb 2020 #3
I assume they, the Pukes, will try to cheat and steal this election..like they did the last. Stuart G Feb 2020 #4
He will try a truly Stalinesque stunt. ChazInAz Feb 2020 #11
I doubt that H2O Man Feb 2020 #16
It is the only viable option left rufus dog Feb 2020 #22
Exactly right! H2O Man Feb 2020 #24
Your words to God's ear sandensea Feb 2020 #14
Right. H2O Man Feb 2020 #17
Can't wait sandensea Feb 2020 #23
...always. spanone Feb 2020 #5
Thank you! H2O Man Feb 2020 #18
The Repugs will seek revenge for Trump's impeachment the moment we have a Dem POTUS Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #6
Definitely. H2O Man Feb 2020 #19
One other thing Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #35
Absolutely! H2O Man Feb 2020 #37
But in the end, they always fall. Always. Dem2theMax Feb 2020 #7
Yep. H2O Man Feb 2020 #25
But in the end, their victims are still dead FiveGoodMen Feb 2020 #8
"If you get down H2O Man Feb 2020 #26
As I see it ... lpbk2713 Feb 2020 #9
Ha! H2O Man Feb 2020 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author lunasun Feb 2020 #55
When does that apply to Putin? lame54 Feb 2020 #10
What do you think? H2O Man Feb 2020 #28
I think there is no sign of Putin going down lame54 Feb 2020 #32
The Kim Dynasty seems pretty immune to that Dukkha Feb 2020 #12
That's odd. H2O Man Feb 2020 #29
That's what they WANT you to think! Dukkha Feb 2020 #33
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #20
Thanks, Uncle Joe! H2O Man Feb 2020 #30
yeah, they always fall, but they can do an incredible amount of damage Skittles Feb 2020 #21
Right. H2O Man Feb 2020 #31
If there is such a thing as Karma ... Martin Eden Feb 2020 #34
I agree. H2O Man Feb 2020 #38
Trump will use every means at his disposal to contest or void the election Martin Eden Feb 2020 #40
I was listening H2O Man Feb 2020 #45
Jail him for the rest of his life. Seize his assets, topple his fraudulent business "empire." argyl Feb 2020 #36
Seriously!! H2O Man Feb 2020 #39
Are the billionaires recognizing that his cult is poisoning the whole pie? Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2020 #41
Great question. H2O Man Feb 2020 #47
Total Hoax Kid Berwyn Feb 2020 #42
Thanks! H2O Man Feb 2020 #48
first president impeached when his own party had a majority in one of the houses of congress unblock Feb 2020 #43
Yes! H2O Man Feb 2020 #49
"The arch of history is long, but it bends toward justice." - MLK Laelth Feb 2020 #44
Thank you! H2O Man Feb 2020 #46
Quote of the Week! calimary Feb 2020 #50
Thank you! H2O Man Feb 2020 #52
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Me. Feb 2020 #51
Thanks, Me! H2O Man Feb 2020 #53

ffr

(22,665 posts)
1. Only hope the democratic payback lasts solidly for the next century.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:27 PM
Feb 2020

RePuticans are villains, nobody to admire or look up to.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
54. In my opinion the Republican Party has been dying for a long time... it finally died when
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:44 PM
Feb 2020

Trump won the election, and every Republican in Congress cowered underneath him.

Sure, there's a political party called the Republican Party still, but it's really the Trump party. In my opinion it will be so until Trump dies... won't matter if he's out of office, his MAGAs will still follow and he will lead them via social media.

H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
15. I hope so.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 06:52 PM
Feb 2020

Democracy is constant struggle. And it is fluid. I hope we can drown the republican party in that fluid.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
2. Come November there is payback. Trump is a liar, crook, and bully..He is proud of it. He thinks
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:39 PM
Feb 2020

has won, but come November he and the Republican Party will see a defeat like they haven't seen since 1936. They are arrogant in a way that truly upsets 60 to 70% of voters. And, they all think that they can get away with it.
...Payback will be total and complete. But this is a prediction, we will see when it comes true. I believe it will. We are not the only ones sick of these pukes. Many independents and former Republicans will make a statement with November's vote...............

Gandhi is correct, “Remember that all through history, there have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they seem invincible. But in the end, they always fall. Always.”

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
3. you are assuming the election will be free and fair....
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:42 PM
Feb 2020

...in spite of all evidence to the contrary.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
4. I assume they, the Pukes, will try to cheat and steal this election..like they did the last.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:51 PM
Feb 2020

...When you can steal 1000 votes and change them to Trump, and get away with it, that is one thing.

When Trump loses a state by 100,000 votes that is totally another thing. It will not be close enough that the dirty tricks will matter. He is full of "hate and lies" And arrogant in a way that is incredible.

The election will not be close enough to steal It will be clear as to who the winner is. The winner will not be Trump. He is an embarrassment to this country and the world. And it will be clear that people in the U.S.A. want him out. It will not be close enough to steal. And that is what I believe.

ChazInAz

(2,563 posts)
11. He will try a truly Stalinesque stunt.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:20 PM
Feb 2020

His ego demands that he be re-elected by a near-unanimous vote. His inept flunkies will try to arrange that and the results will be so blatantly false that there will be such a shitstorm as never has been seen before in this country.

H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
16. I doubt that
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 07:01 PM
Feb 2020

anyone on this forum assumes the election will be "free and fair." I've seen nothing to suggest that in a single post that I've read going back to 2016.

What I have seen are lots of posts by people who know there will be cheating, and who are inspired to knock the shit out of the republican party. They know that foreign and domestic attempts to influence and decide the election are as certain as the sun rising in the east tomorrow morning. That's the new reality. It's one of many connected reasons we need to crush the opposition in November.

I've fought plenty of opponents who were dirty as hell. I found that by beating the fuck out of them works best.

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
22. It is the only viable option left
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 07:15 PM
Feb 2020

Unlike the previous times we must make it really bad. Nixon skated, the BushCheney cabal skated. This time we can’t allow moving forward for the good of the Country. For the good of the Country requires holding those responsible accountable, including jail time.

H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
24. Exactly right!
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 09:32 PM
Feb 2020

I think it means saving democracy in this country. It will require repair, but we can accomplish that. It also, by no coincidence, requires all of us to put forth our best efforts. We can do that.

sandensea

(21,614 posts)
14. Your words to God's ear
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 06:22 PM
Feb 2020

For a landslide like 1936, it'll take something like a massive intelligence leak that could show up these treasonous kleptocrats for what they are.

But you never know.

H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
17. Right.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 07:02 PM
Feb 2020

There will be an on-going flow of intelligence leaks, White House staff talking to reporters, and Trump outrages from now to November.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
6. The Repugs will seek revenge for Trump's impeachment the moment we have a Dem POTUS
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:57 PM
Feb 2020

...and *if* they're back in the Majority in the House. That's why we have to make sure that doesn't happen.

H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
19. Definitely.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 07:08 PM
Feb 2020

I've meaning meaning to write something about the perpetual campaign, the security state, and impeachment becoming more frequent, as three leafs on a clover. They will continue to feed upon themselves. The only cure is an ounce of prevention, which requires the Democratic Party to win big.

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
35. One other thing
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 11:01 PM
Feb 2020

Haven’t disagreed this far reading, but if we win we should get some legislation passed which helps people before the midterms.

I want to win big, but then I want to win long.

H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
37. Absolutely!
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 11:30 PM
Feb 2020

We need to protect the right to vote, and for every vote to count. And we will need to maintain control at the national level, which will allow us the control in every state possible. As I quoted an old friend earlier, democracy is constant struggle.

Dem2theMax

(9,650 posts)
7. But in the end, they always fall. Always.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:02 PM
Feb 2020

Those are words we need to keep repeating to ourselves. He will fall. Maybe not as fast as we would like, but he will fall.

H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
25. Yep.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 09:36 PM
Feb 2020

We need to think that while we swing the axe. Trees don't fall from a single swing. We need to start chopping away at Trump et al now.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
8. But in the end, their victims are still dead
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:08 PM
Feb 2020

No one ever makes up for that.

And before you know it, a new group is busy handing power over to a new tyrant.

H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
26. "If you get down
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 09:39 PM
Feb 2020

and you worry every day, you're saying prayers to the devil, I say." -- Bob Marley

Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #9)

H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
29. That's odd.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 09:42 PM
Feb 2020

I thought that two of the three that compose "the dynasty" were decomposing in their graves.

H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
31. Right.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 09:44 PM
Feb 2020

Trump and his cult are doing a fuck of a lot of damage to our country. It will require our best efforts to repair this, once they are gone. But we can accomplish it.

H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
38. I agree.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 11:33 PM
Feb 2020

He will be history soon. And history will not be kind to him.

A few of my friends are certain he will resist leaving the White House, unable to accept the humiliating defeat in November. They believe he'll be dragged out. What do you think?

Martin Eden

(12,858 posts)
40. Trump will use every means at his disposal to contest or void the election
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:03 AM
Feb 2020

And I don't doubt the Republican Party with AG Barr will conspire to make that happen, no matter how thin the case. If it drags on and goes to the Supreme Court, will the Chief Justice who presided over the sham impeachment trial save our republic or will his oath prove as meaningless as it was for his "conservative" brethren in the Senate?

I don't fear Trump refusing to leave until he's dragged out. I fear a further collapse of our Constitutional checks & balances, taking the next step (no longer a giant leap) into 21st century American fascism.

Until recently I never thought this was possible, but now the unthinkable looks like a plausible scenario.

H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
45. I was listening
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:18 PM
Feb 2020

to Chris Hayes of MSNBC. He was pointing out that although the Trump machine is attempting to portray him as powerful, every measure shows he is weak. They want to create an unbeatable image, although virtually every one of our candidates is beating him in polls.

That is what concerns me. He is a cowardly dog. I remember in my days of responding to "community crises" as a social worker -- I was never concerned about the dogs that greeted me from in front as I approached a house. But I was very aware of those that tried to sneak up behind me. Cowardly dogs were far more likely to bite.

I agree with your assessment. The concerns you note are the same as my own. Thank you.

argyl

(3,064 posts)
36. Jail him for the rest of his life. Seize his assets, topple his fraudulent business "empire."
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 11:22 PM
Feb 2020

Go after his grifter kids.
Mitch, Barr, Nunes, Lindsey, Rudy, ad nauseum, you too.
Skating on such monstrous abuse should not be allowed.
Unfortunately, some if not all will not get what they deserve.

I'm so tired of these fuck heads. But not too tired.

H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
39. Seriously!!
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 11:35 PM
Feb 2020

I did not expect to have to be dealing with shit stains like them in DC at my age. I really thought Nixon would be the last creep to become president. So much for that!

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,309 posts)
41. Are the billionaires recognizing that his cult is poisoning the whole pie?
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:03 AM
Feb 2020

At the moment, Bloomberg is blanketing the airwaves with anti-trump ads. So far as I know, he's not a sociopath, but accumulated his billions within the rules, however skewed those rules have been under GOPers.

Are there corporations and filthy rich individuals who recognize the danger to the country posed by the extremists in league with trump and Putin? Getting an oversized chunk of a poisoned pie is not much of a reward.

H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
47. Great question.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:31 PM
Feb 2020

Are they so addicted to the digits in their bank accounts, that they don't care? These things gnaw at me. I do not trust them. Greedy people never seem to care much about anything but them and their own.

H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
48. Thanks!
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:36 PM
Feb 2020

That is SO GOOD!!!!! Although one could reasonably conclude Trump has no shame, he clearly does not like people laughing at him. I think that is something we need to focus on in this year's campaign.

It sounds like Bloomberg's commercials are getting under Trump's skin. I like that. A lot.

unblock

(52,163 posts)
43. first president impeached when his own party had a majority in one of the houses of congress
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 11:42 AM
Feb 2020

first president to get a vote for conviction from a member of his own party

first president to have an impeachment trial with zero witnesses

H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
49. Yes!
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:37 PM
Feb 2020

Even his most spineless apologists admitted that he had done the things the House impeached him for.

H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
46. Thank you!
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:28 PM
Feb 2020

“The hope of a secure and livable world lies with disciplined nonconformists, who are dedicated to justice, peace, and brotherhood. The trailblazers in human, academic, scientific, and religious freedom have always been nonconformists. In any cause that concerns the progress of mankind, put your faith in the nonconformist!” -- MLK

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