Watching AOC right now. Is she a contender for 2024?

[Gravitycollapse]

Yes, hate me for bringing this up when we aren't even done with 2020. LOL

But seriously, is she looking like a future POTUS?

[rzemanfl]

1. If we don't have a democratic incumbent in 2024 the country will be gone. n/t

[Gravitycollapse]

7. I might have jumped the gun in stating 2024. I'm hoping for 2028.

But she would be a fantastic candidate to clean up if we have another 4 years of Trump.

[Celerity]

21. she is old enough by 99 days to run in 2024 nt

[kcr]

55. It's AOC. An incumbent will be no barrier.

I predict she'll run anyway.

[JoeOtterbein]

2. AOC is still smarter than 99% of the men in DC and...

...100% of the Repubs!

[SlogginThroughIt]

22. 75% of all stats are made up

[LanternWaste]

47. So you're in DC, huh?

[awesomerwb1]

58. Cool story bro

[maxsolomon]

3. It hardly matters now.

But she will be 35 years old by less than a month in November 2024.

So, I hope so. I want conservative minds to explode.

[lapfog_1]

4. no... not in a million years

plus... she is only 30 years old, you have to be 36 to be President.

She will be lucky to survive the next primary contest.

[Gravitycollapse]

5. She will be 35 before the election (requirement is 35).

[Alex4Martinez]

8. What a distasteful thing to say about a bright and beautiful young champion of human & civil rights

[Gravitycollapse]

9. +1

[rzemanfl]

12. I went to look at profile and poof! the post was gone. n/t

[SharonClark]

10. Did Archie Bunker tell you to say that?

You may not like her political positions but she is definiely not an airhead.

[Tiggeroshii]

11. She's so young that any opening that comes up will show she is a viable candidate.

[Quixote1818]

13. The Democratic Party demographic has been trending in that direction

People love her. I think she has a great shot.

[fescuerescue]

14. Only if Trump wins yet again

Otherwise she would be challenging a Dem in the Whitehouse in 2024 which would be rather dumb.

But in 2028 and beyond I fully expect to see her run.

[Gravitycollapse]

15. I should clarify, I got ahead of myself. This would be assuming Trump wins again.

Otherwise, she's be great for 2028.

[fescuerescue]

16. yea no worries

It's just conversations.

I agree. I expect to see her on Dem debates stages on 2028,2032 or 2036. (depending on how elections and reelections fallout)

[wisteria]

17. I hope not.

[Codeine]

18. Oh good grief. Of course not. nt

[Amishman]

80. Yup, 2040 maybe. She is too progressive for the electorate of today

Perhaps once the boomers are gone and the country as a whole has gone further left.

[tritsofme]

19. There are a lot of uncertainties for her. For one, NY is likely to lose 2 House seats before 2022

She could be bumped out and forced into a primary with another Democratic congressman.

That may not matter due to persistent rumors she may be interested in primarying Chuck Schumer in 2022.

[TroubleMan]

20. I hope she's President someday.

I'm pretty sure that we'll win this year, so our incumbent will running for reelection in 2024. Later would be great, though. She's everything I would want in a President.

[Zolorp]

23. POTUS is about the last thing I think of whenever I think of AOC

[Gravitycollapse]

24. Why?

[Zolorp]

25. She's a disaster.

I'm donating to her primary opponent.

[Gravitycollapse]

26. How is she a disaster?

[Zolorp]

27. Way too radical.

I'm glad she has a primary opponent and he stands a damned good chance of taking her seat. HE is speaking to constituents while she is running around the country. Her hubris may do her in politically.

[Gravitycollapse]

29. She has a majority approval rating amongst her constituency. Good luck with that.

She's actually quite popular.

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2019/04/09/ny-14-voters-like-ocasio-cortez-and-mostly-approve-of-her-policy-positions-even-if-they-dont-label-themselves-democratic-socialists-962114

[Zolorp]

51. Any money spent trying to defeat her in a primary is well spent

Thank you for wishing me good kuck, hopefully sense will prevail.

[John Fante]

46. "Way too radical"

Western Europeans must laugh their asses off at our expense everyday.

[Zolorp]

48. God thing we aren't Western Europe.

[John Fante]

54. Yeah, who needs universal healthcare, low-cost/free college, and a high QOL?

We got weapons of death to build, and rich people to not tax! Murica!

[Celerity]

69. [phone]

I should know, having been born in the US, growing up in London, living a few years back in the US, and now living in Sweden.

The people who want to run out AOC and most likely all left progressives from our Party if possible would, if they were somehow magically successful, end up destroying our Party, as if the left were completely or near completely frozen out, the Party would have to lurch to the right in order to make up for the left voters who would leave at that point, stop coting D, and quite possibly form a third party. That lurch to the centre right would only exacerbate the haemorrhaging from the left base. The Rethugs would sit back, laugh, and dominate electorally. Thus are the flaws of the American non-proportional representation FPTP single member district, majoritarian form of electoral system.

[DFW]

70. The Germans would probably go for all that--IF they could have it

They always wonder that Americans think everything is free here (I live in the Düsseldorf area), but it's not, health care is not only not universal, it is first class and second class for those who do have it, and getting into a university at all is a dry, Darwinian process. My wife, a social worker here, used to "lend" her charges money so they could eat for the last few days of the month, when their money ran out.

We get by, of course--most countries do. But to call Germany some kind of utopian paradise, where everything is free, is inaccurate at best. This not the Valley of the Shmoon.

[John Fante]

75. Public universities in Germany are tuition-free for undergraduate students. Yes or no?

Utopian paradise? That's a strawman argument. I suggested no such thing.

Is the QOL in Germany superior to the United States of Murica? Absolutely.

[DFW]

94. Not for everyone

I live in Nordrhein-Westfalen. My wife is a German social worker. What part do you live in that you know so much more than we do? Talk about straw.

As for the universities, German students still have the Darwinian numerus clausus gauntlet to get through, and they still have plenty of expenses they have to pick up on their own:

"Der zweite große Posten neben den Studiengebühren sind die Lebenshaltungskosten. Zwar liegt Deutschland im Vergleich nicht deutlich höher als andere Länder aber man benötigt doch einiges an zusätzlichem Geld, als wenn man im Elternhaus wohnen bleibt und von dort aus zur Uni gehen kann."

Full link here:

https://www.studieren-in-deutschland.org/was-kostet-es-in-deutschland-zu-studieren/

[LanternWaste]

49. That's a whole lot of unsupported allegations in only three sentences.

[Zolorp]

52. You spelled *opinion* wrong

I was asked what my opinion was. I gave it.

[PatSeg]

68. Same here

A lot of performance, without enough substance. I think with time and experience, she could be a viable candidate for higher office. Right now, she doesn't instill a whole lot of confidence from my perspective. Governing well is hard work, more than having a clever media presence.

[TexasTowelie]

28. No.

She may not even retain her congressional seat after redistricting since New York is projected to lose one seat.

[brooklynite]

30. What administrative experience does she have?

[Gravitycollapse]

31. What administrative experience did Obama have?

[brooklynite]

34. At a minimum, 10 years of running his legislative offices.

AOC has...13 months.

[Gravitycollapse]

37. He had 4 years experience as a US congress person. She will have more.

I don't count any of that experience as being an "administrator" (including his years in the state legislature) but you do you.

[padah513]

60. You're comparing her to President Obama...

Last time I checked she was in her first term but you can play Nostrodamus if you want. Like you say, you do you.

[Skidmore]

85. Obama had worked in the

legal field and had extensive experience as a community organizer. And he had something she doesn't. Gravitas and an understanding of not wasting your words.

[still_one]

78. Bartender

[RockRaven]

32. Regardless of her actual age and regardless of the fairness of the perception,

I suspect most Dem primary voters -- encompassing the entirety of the country -- will consider her too young/too inexperienced to be POTUS.

I'm not saying it is correct or fair, that's just what I'm predicting to occur.

[jr1118x]

33. Hell yeah

If she doesn't end up selling out and being corrupted by power and corporate donor money , which so far she has been amazing at fighting. I think she is the key to our future, she is one of the political bright spots that gives me hope.

[Zeus69]

35. LOL

[John Fante]

36. She will be a strong contender... in 2028.

I could definitely see her winning the Democrats a third straight presidential election that year

[Polybius]

67. Only if she runs against a really crazy Republican (even by their standards)

I like her but doubt she could win a national election. And one Party hasn't won three elections in a row since 1988. It's tough.

[Horizens]

38. She's a lightweight

and she'll never be president or a senator.

[jr1118x]

39. A lightweight

First as far as fundraising she has raised more than any other democrat Representative. A junior Rep upraising veterans like Pelosi and Schiff. She has used her influence in ways to shape conversations more than most other Reps, she has stood up for her beliefs and has moved the political conversation through social media. She has more influence than any junior Representative I can recall.

[jcgoldie]

42. "lightweight"

Now we're using Trump cutdowns?

[Horizens]

44. lightweight

She appeals to a very narrow though avid portion of the party. She's loud but has accomplished nothing in the house.
She'd lose a statewide race in NY and has even less appeal across the country.

[unblock]

53. getting national attention is a hell of an accomplishment for a first term representative

most first term representatives do little more than learn the ropes, try to fit in and not rock the boat, and fund-raise like crazy to consolidate support and secure that key first re-election.

[Horizens]

65. There's a difference between being known and being accomplished

AOC, nationally, has a net negative rating of 10 - the same as trump.

[unblock]

76. True, but her job is to do right by her district

I'm not local so I don't know if she's doing that, but with her voice and national attention could be used to good effect, and I would think she is doing exactly that, completely apart from the national policies she's pushing.

[dem4decades]

77. Known? Maybe because Trump uses her as a symbol.

[unblock]

86. he didn't pluck her out of obscurity.

she made quite a splash even before donnie started attacking her

and then, so what? if she's known as a thorn in his sides, that's a good thing, and a politically useful thing, too.

[dem4decades]

87. Thorn in his side? Trump needs 3 states, does she hurt him in those?

[unblock]

88. Are her constituents suffering because of any of this?

[dem4decades]

89. If she helps Trump win those three states? Yes they'r suffering

Just like the rest of us.

A

[unblock]

93. Alrighty then. I guess liberal ny districts should elect centrists reps

to cater to the political leanings of Wisconsin

Gotcha.

[Takket]

40. No, she is only popular with the most Progressive Dems, and thanks to plenty of smears

is pretty unpopular with everyone else. she'd struggle to get 405 of the vote against a "decent" (not the quotation marks) rethug.

[nini]

41. I have a hard time getting excited about ...

.. someone who spends more time bashing democrats than republicans.

[John Fante]

50. As much as AOC's critiques of the Democratic Party annoy me, this

statement isn't remotely accurate - - she gives Republicans the business FAR more often. She's no Bernie Buster.

[nini]

73. ok let me rephrase

she spends TOO MUCH time trashing Democrats.

[UniteFightBack]

43. She has a long way to go before she could put together a coalition like that. nt

[Proud Liberal Dem]

45. Hopefully not

and not because I dislike her or anything but hopefully, that will be the re-election of 2020's Democratic Presidential winner. And yes, I do think she has a future.

[Recursion]

56. You're joking, right?

No. She's absolutely not a national contender in 2024.

[beachbumbob]

57. really? don't think so

[Happy Hoosier]

59. IMO? Not yet.

She's smart. But to be a contender, she needs to show the ability to really lead and deal practically with hard issues. Right now, she's a bit of an ideologue with the confidence of youth. Let's see how she does in Congress.

[doc03]

61. She is as popular as the flu around here. nt

[ibegurpard]

62. I like her a lot

2024 is way too soon for her in my opinion.

[Renew Deal]

63. She is unelectable nationally

[LiberalFighter]

64. Nope!

[Polybius]

66. She's be barely legal constitutionally

She turns 35 in October 2024. I don't want someone campaigning when they are under the legal age of 35. She'd have to campaign at 33.

She can wait, she can run all the way up to 2064. She'll only be 75. Now I feel old.

[Pacifist Patriot]

72. The math made my head and heart hurt too.

[Pacifist Patriot]

71. Maybe much further down the road. Maybe.

2024 absolutely not.

[PAMod]

74. Is she going to work/train to be president?

Meaning, take an executive job in government for management experience, or do something to gain experience in international affairs?

Or is being a grenade thrower in the House of Representatives sufficient to you?

[pnwmom]

79. There are MANY other more mature women who would be serious contenders. For example,

Katie Porter. Stacey Abrams.

Are they suddenly too old?

[Kurt V.]

81. i'd give it more time than 2024. if the public wind of the democratic party blows just right, sure.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

82. WITHOUT A DOUBT... AOC WILL BE THE NEXT POTUS AFTER PRESIDENT SANDERS!!

[MountCleaners]

83. She needs more seasoning, and exposure...

She's young, after a time, the country might catch up to her, but I'm not sure she will be mainstream enough in 2024.

[brush]

84. She'll be lucky to keep her seat.

[In It to Win It]

90. Nope

[H2O Man]

91. No.

AOC is 30. You have to be 35 to be president.

[Gravitycollapse]

92. She would be 35 before taking office.