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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 03:50 PM Feb 2020

"We are now truly at a break-glass-in-case-of-fire moment for the Justice Dept. "



Rachel Maddow MSNBC ✔@maddow

Former counterintelligence chief at DOJ:

“We are now at a break-glass-in-case-of-fire moment for the Justice Department”


David Laufman @DavidLaufmanLaw'

A shocking, cram-down political intervention in the criminal justice process. We are now truly at a break-glass-in-case-of-fire moment for the Justice Dept.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/justice-dept-to-reduce-sentencing-recommendation-for-trump-associate-roger-stone-official-says-after-president-calls-it-unfair/2020/02/11/ad81fd36-4cf0-11ea-bf44-f5043eb3918a_story.html


2:41 PM - Feb 11, 2020


Sobering.
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"We are now truly at a break-glass-in-case-of-fire moment for the Justice Dept. " (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 OP
So I wonder when 2naSalit Feb 2020 #1
Hopefully, there will be a revolt in DoJ, whistleblowers come forward... Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #3
All of that seems particularly appropriate. dchill Feb 2020 #18
This is so scary and I don't know what to do. OliverQ Feb 2020 #2
+1 2naSalit Feb 2020 #5
How burrowowl Feb 2020 #20
That's the thought that comes creeping in my head Horse with no Name Feb 2020 #25
+1. 58Sunliner Feb 2020 #38
So many of us have kids and grand kids ... I fear for their future. It's a feeling 42bambi Feb 2020 #26
Here are three things you can do. Grasswire2 Feb 2020 #29
Great post -- sound recommendations. klook Feb 2020 #35
Unfortunately G_j Feb 2020 #4
If the will is great enough, the "mechanism" will present itself... First Speaker Feb 2020 #6
Time for some hearings. benfranklin1776 Feb 2020 #7
Yes. Now, please. Time is running out for justice. Lady Liberty weeps, but she does have a sword. Evolve Dammit Feb 2020 #9
YES. Madam speaker, Duppers Feb 2020 #16
Go with THAT! dchill Feb 2020 #19
How quaint that anyoned thinks he would show up. n/t Mr.Bill Feb 2020 #44
Then he gets issued a good old fashioned subpoena benfranklin1776 Feb 2020 #47
And the current Senate Mr.Bill Feb 2020 #48
Immaterial it must be done to preserve the constitutional system of checks and balances benfranklin1776 Feb 2020 #49
Oh, I agree with impeaching him, Mr.Bill Feb 2020 #50
Then he must be made to pay the price of his contemptuous ways benfranklin1776 Feb 2020 #52
What price have others who refused to testify Mr.Bill Feb 2020 #53
They have not sadly....YET benfranklin1776 Feb 2020 #55
Trump's just going to pardon him anyway. AtheistCrusader Feb 2020 #8
You're right, he will leftieNanner Feb 2020 #10
I think they are convinced Trump will win re-election. AtheistCrusader Feb 2020 #15
I agree leftieNanner Feb 2020 #23
We know Barr's goal. Grasswire2 Feb 2020 #30
That's it! leftieNanner Feb 2020 #33
yes Grasswire2 Feb 2020 #34
So he probably hates Trump leftieNanner Feb 2020 #36
His goal Mr.Bill Feb 2020 #45
Does anyone really believe that anything can stop them? smirkymonkey Feb 2020 #11
Wonder how long until the Reichstag burns. paleotn Feb 2020 #22
The American people have yet to deploy the power that people all the world over are using... Grasswire2 Feb 2020 #31
As long as their favorite TV shows come on, Americans will do nothing misanthrope Feb 2020 #39
This is truly unbelievable. spanone Feb 2020 #12
Recommended democrank Feb 2020 #13
I'm sure Susan Collins is concerned and disappointed. Zolorp Feb 2020 #14
I am so disturbed by what is going on, I have not been able to post Jarqui Feb 2020 #17
I agree. I hate to do it but I think I will have to leave the country. 58Sunliner Feb 2020 #28
Don't do that. Stand and fight. Jarqui Feb 2020 #32
If they take my SS, I will not survive here. 58Sunliner Feb 2020 #37
I'm in the same boat misanthrope Feb 2020 #40
Doesn't give you much faith or love. That's pretty stressful. 58Sunliner Feb 2020 #42
Well, I'm used to it misanthrope Feb 2020 #43
Welcome to the Fascist State of Uhmerca paleotn Feb 2020 #21
Criminals In Charge colsohlibgal Feb 2020 #24
I am hoping that those who had the integrity to resign jls4561 Feb 2020 #27
Kick dalton99a Feb 2020 #41
A Valentine's Day Massacre is just around the corner Dukkha Feb 2020 #46
Yikes 😳 dewsgirl Feb 2020 #51
Trying hard to maintain while "full panic mode" eases off... Backseat Driver Feb 2020 #54
I'm beginning to seriously investigate living in Mexico. Mr.Bill Feb 2020 #56

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
3. Hopefully, there will be a revolt in DoJ, whistleblowers come forward...
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 04:45 PM
Feb 2020

...and House Judiciary starts an impeachment inquiry into Barr asap.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
2. This is so scary and I don't know what to do.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 04:45 PM
Feb 2020

I don't think we can survive until November. Barr and Trump need to be stopped before then.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
25. That's the thought that comes creeping in my head
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 11:32 PM
Feb 2020

Can you remember all of the crimes he committed last year?
Fuck I can’t even remember all from last week.

42bambi

(1,753 posts)
26. So many of us have kids and grand kids ... I fear for their future. It's a feeling
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 11:41 PM
Feb 2020

of utter helplessness watching this train wreck. We damn well better vote, but even then I worry ... dear leader has zero scruples and he will stop at nothing to cheat!

Grasswire2

(13,566 posts)
29. Here are three things you can do.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:32 AM
Feb 2020

1. Join the aclu -- we are going to need them more than ever. Lend your voice to the cause of liberty for the cost of just a couple of coffee drinks.

2. Protect our watchdog press with LTTE, with expressions of support for investigative journalism, and protection for reporters.

3. Get the slim book by Yale holocaust historian Timothy Snyder "ON TYRANNY: TWENTY LESSONS FROM THE TWENTIETH CENTURY" to tell us what to watch and how to be in this fraught moment. $7.95 at booksellers everywhere.

klook

(12,154 posts)
35. Great post -- sound recommendations.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:42 AM
Feb 2020

Thank you. I’ve been an ACLU member for years, and the last couple of years I’ve increased my donations exponentially.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
6. If the will is great enough, the "mechanism" will present itself...
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:01 PM
Feb 2020

...that something is going to break, one way or another, before November is an open question in my mind...

benfranklin1776

(6,443 posts)
7. Time for some hearings.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:15 PM
Feb 2020

Haul toady Barr in front of the judiciary committee and roast his Chestnuts while building the perjury case.🤬🤬

Evolve Dammit

(16,723 posts)
9. Yes. Now, please. Time is running out for justice. Lady Liberty weeps, but she does have a sword.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:54 PM
Feb 2020

IF they can muster the collective courage to use it.

benfranklin1776

(6,443 posts)
47. Then he gets issued a good old fashioned subpoena
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:38 AM
Feb 2020

And if he refuses, he gets a nice quaint contempt proceeding post haste, and then a criminal enforcement punishment and impeachment as his richly deserved reward.

benfranklin1776

(6,443 posts)
49. Immaterial it must be done to preserve the constitutional system of checks and balances
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:13 PM
Feb 2020

Doing nothing is a capitulation to authoritarian thuggery. And the beauty of a contempt citation is it doesn’t rely on impeachment to enforce it. The House has inherent enforcement authority. So impeachment is a nice cherry on top of the disgrace of a contempt penalty. Also it’s leverage in court proceedings involving the DOJ. Judges don’t look favorably on contemnors and are apt to give exacting consideration to motions to disqualify him.

benfranklin1776

(6,443 posts)
52. Then he must be made to pay the price of his contemptuous ways
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:38 PM
Feb 2020

So Agent Orange’s deranged tweets, he now complains of, become the least of his concerns 👊🏽

Mr.Bill

(24,280 posts)
53. What price have others who refused to testify
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:41 PM
Feb 2020

paid? The only ones paying a price so far are the ones who testified and told the truth. Trump has turned Congressional investigations into Bizarro world.

benfranklin1776

(6,443 posts)
55. They have not sadly....YET
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 08:53 PM
Feb 2020

The problem was eschewing contempt proceedings during the mueller report aftermath and during the impeachment, the latter being an issue of extreme urgency. However now there is no reason to not exercise the full contempt power now given this maladministrations’s wanton obstruction has not been rightfully punished, so I am speaking prospectively.

leftieNanner

(15,082 posts)
10. You're right, he will
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:07 PM
Feb 2020

But this is just The Orange One flexing his muscles - because he can. And Billy Barr is happy to do it for him.

I wonder what Barr's end goal is here. We know Mike Pants is hoping to hurry the Rapture, and that Barr is an Opus Dei lunatic, but what is Barr trying to achieve. Unitary executive power, I know. But is there anything else?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
15. I think they are convinced Trump will win re-election.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:26 PM
Feb 2020

They're in this for the full 8. It's the only thing that makes sense.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
11. Does anyone really believe that anything can stop them?
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:07 PM
Feb 2020

<a href="https://imgflip.com/i/3owkid"><img src="" title="made at imgflip.com"/></a>

I hate to be so cynical, but I don't really know what anyone can do when they refuse to recognize the rule of law or comply with any code of ethics.

Grasswire2

(13,566 posts)
31. The American people have yet to deploy the power that people all the world over are using...
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:35 AM
Feb 2020

....to fight for democracy. Masses in the streets.

The power is still in the hands of the citizens.

misanthrope

(7,411 posts)
39. As long as their favorite TV shows come on, Americans will do nothing
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:19 AM
Feb 2020

We're fat, distracted and complacent. Seventy years of hypnotism via technological bread and circuses are finally coming to fruition.

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
17. I am so disturbed by what is going on, I have not been able to post
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:29 PM
Feb 2020

I do not want to upset people.

I am very frightened by what has gone on and what I think will go on beyond this point.

58Sunliner

(4,381 posts)
28. I agree. I hate to do it but I think I will have to leave the country.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:30 AM
Feb 2020

I think those that can, should, and help some others out. People should be getting their passports and getting rid of stuff if they can. Maybe I'm being paranoid, but I have had a little voice telling me to get out of here.

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
32. Don't do that. Stand and fight.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:39 AM
Feb 2020

The majority of the country and the world will be with you.

I'd be lying if I didn't confess to this sucking the wind out of my sails with worry.

It is probably going to get worse before it gets better.

But I have no choice but to fight this con man every step of the way that I can muster.

58Sunliner

(4,381 posts)
37. If they take my SS, I will not survive here.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:12 AM
Feb 2020

My best chance is to sell my house and live somewhere cheaply. I'm disabled and have a chance at health care elsewhere. I can't risk being homeless. It's as if we are looking at a perspective that descends to a point of intolerable. Everything that he has done, even shit that is just completely unnecessary, like the clean water act, is part of the campaign to overwhelm people. I don't even think he making the plays. He is malignant enough, just too fucking stupid. And if I saw enough people protesting, putting it on the line, I would think about how I could stay and fight. Look at the voter turnout. Jesus effing christ. Lives on the effing line and the people here can not be bothered to vote. WTF. I live in a city that has too many shootings/violence for my comfort. I don't feel safe. Do you think it will get better when things get worse? I don't know that there will be some magic cohesion. We aren't the French in WW2. The resistance. They didn't have gangs and gun violence and mass shootings. I hope I am wrong. But if I'm not, my family will have a resource in a safer place. It isn't an easy decision, I don't sleep well worrying about this country, and the people who care and their future.

misanthrope

(7,411 posts)
40. I'm in the same boat
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:48 AM
Feb 2020

I depend on my SSI and, most importantly, the Medicare that comes with my disability status. Without Medicare, I die. It's that simple.

However, I'm surrounded by others who don't care. They're neighbors, fellow citizens, relatives, colleagues, people who benefit from my work and from the non-profits I serve. For them, it's just about "owning libs" or "their side" winning like it's some stupid sporting contest. If you point out the human consequences, they rationalize it by labeling social safety net recipients as "takers," as "the other." They're willfully signing my death warrant.

When our Constitution was just four decades old, Frenchman Alexis de Tocqueville traveled the young nation and reflected on its culture. Among his observations was the following:

"As one digs deeper into the national character of Americans, one sees that they have sought the value of everything in this world only in the answer to this single question: how much money will it bring in?"

So even at that tender age, Americans plainly exhibited their tendencies toward exploitation and avarice. It's only compounded with time.

misanthrope

(7,411 posts)
43. Well, I'm used to it
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:18 AM
Feb 2020

I've spent 56 years in Alabama. I'm used to being in a tiny minority surrounded by selfishness, fear and hatred. I grew up in a house fraught with psychological abuse. I've seen those I admire most get screwed over by the world and watched the most ethically void rise to the top.

However, what I do to publicize and help others isn't because I expect recognition or gratitude but because I believe it to be "the right thing." I'm the one that has to deal with my conscience when my head hits the pillow at night. I'd rather be part of the solution because I encounter too many who don't care that they're part of the problem.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
24. Criminals In Charge
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 11:30 PM
Feb 2020

Apparently it can and has happened here. Orange Mussolini and his partner in crime Barr are brazenly mocking the rule of law. They are behaving like Mobsters.

2020 just got even more vital. You would think this brazen act might turn more suburban voters blue, particularly women. We desperately need a Blue Wave more extreme than 2018.

jls4561

(1,257 posts)
27. I am hoping that those who had the integrity to resign
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 11:42 PM
Feb 2020

rather than be part of the subversion of justice will start talking.

Mr.Bill

(24,280 posts)
56. I'm beginning to seriously investigate living in Mexico.
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 08:59 PM
Feb 2020

I know I can't afford Canada, and I don't like cold weather anyway.

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