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Tue Feb 11, 2020, 02:59 PM

Amy McGrath (KY) ad falling flat with progressives



New @AmyMcGrathKY ad features the jet and her opposition to free college and Medicare for All. #kysen


The comments down thread indicate she’s running as a GOP-lite candidate

(Moved from primaries)

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Reply Amy McGrath (KY) ad falling flat with progressives (Original post)
Roland99 Feb 2020 OP
DeminPennswoods Feb 2020 #1
leftstreet Feb 2020 #2
evertonfc Feb 2020 #3
leftstreet Feb 2020 #4
Raster Feb 2020 #6
leftstreet Feb 2020 #8
Takket Feb 2020 #41
RhodeIslandOne Feb 2020 #44
LanternWaste Feb 2020 #57
leftstreet Feb 2020 #60
RhodeIslandOne Feb 2020 #43
WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2020 #5
Vinca Feb 2020 #7
bottomofthehill Feb 2020 #31
Happyhippychick Feb 2020 #9
Wounded Bear Feb 2020 #10
JaneQPublic Feb 2020 #11
Recursion Feb 2020 #12
leftstreet Feb 2020 #14
Recursion Feb 2020 #16
leftstreet Feb 2020 #17
Recursion Feb 2020 #20
11 Bravo Feb 2020 #34
leftstreet Feb 2020 #36
Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2020 #48
leftstreet Feb 2020 #54
Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2020 #55
leftstreet Feb 2020 #56
Eyeball_Kid Feb 2020 #18
Recursion Feb 2020 #22
Recursion Feb 2020 #13
TwilightZone Feb 2020 #28
spanone Feb 2020 #15
Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2020 #49
JohnnyLib2 Feb 2020 #19
Liberalhammer Feb 2020 #21
beachbumbob Feb 2020 #23
Nature Man Feb 2020 #47
book_worm Feb 2020 #24
Kaleva Feb 2020 #25
Hoyt Feb 2020 #26
Kaleva Feb 2020 #30
LineLineLineLineReply 6
Corgigal Feb 2020 #37
KYBlue Feb 2020 #58
zaj Feb 2020 #27
Midnight Writer Feb 2020 #29
Mersky Feb 2020 #32
llmart Feb 2020 #33
Squinch Feb 2020 #35
UncleTomsEvilBrother Feb 2020 #38
The Blue Flower Feb 2020 #39
Peregrine Took Feb 2020 #40
Recursion Feb 2020 #42
Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #45
In It to Win It Feb 2020 #46
Dagstead Bumwood Feb 2020 #50
Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #51
aeromanKC Feb 2020 #52
mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #53
RGTIndy Feb 2020 #59
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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 03:01 PM

1. It's Kentucky and compared

to McConnell, well, there's no comparison.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 03:01 PM

2. Why doesn't she just run as...nevermind n/t

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 03:03 PM

3. It's KY

 

Why do some progressives think ideas that are popular in the heavy blue states are popular in red states. It's why moderates win House and Gov races there. Good Grief, there is a segment of this party that will keep us a minority for decades. Let Amy run a Kentucky race.

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Response to evertonfc (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 03:06 PM

4. Then she shouldn't MENTION 'progressive ideas'

Let her jets fly around and flags wave or whatever shit she thinks will win R voters over - but IGNORE progressive ideas instead of belittling them

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 03:10 PM

6. Whatever. It. Takes. To. Unseat. McConnell.

Period. Full stop.
This is NOT a gentleman's bout of fisticuffs, THIS IS A KNIFE FIGHT.

I am sick to death of our "not progressive enough" bullshit. Do we like tRump* and tRump*ism taking over our country?

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Response to Raster (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 03:15 PM

8. She couldn't beat a low profile dude in 2018 n/t

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Response to Raster (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:06 PM

41. THIS

I don't need a KY candidate to sound like AOC. I need someone to sound like whatever "defeating the second most dangerous man in the country" sounds like.

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Response to Takket (Reply #41)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:42 PM

44. She shouldnt bring it up

 

All she's doing by mentioning it is conceding a right wing talking point which makes Mitch McConnell look like he's not a full blown lying piece of shit.

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:14 PM

57. Ignoring your advice worked for Doug Jones in '17.

 

Messages to one's potential constituency should be targeted directly to that constituency.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #57)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:18 PM

60. He beat Roy Moore R-sexual predator, by only 22k votes


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Response to evertonfc (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:41 PM

43. She shouldn't bring it up

 

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 03:09 PM

5. Huh, the candidate who got into the race because she was mad that McConnell wasn't working

with Trump enough isn't resonating with Democrats? Huh.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 03:13 PM

7. The progressives need to think more strategically. Even if she's half a Republican,

she's not McConnell and her election might put Democrats in charge of the Senate. It's unlikely Kentucky would ever elect the person progressives want and they just have to get over it because the alternative to McGrath is much, much worse.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 04:17 PM

31. Her first vote in the senate will not be for McConnell

That is all that matters.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 03:16 PM

9. There aren't a ton of progressives in KY, better for her to court moderates

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 03:16 PM

10. We need to go Yellow Dog in some states...

sucks, but reality is. If she unseats McConnell and votes Dem 80-90% of the time, I can dig it.

It Ken-fucking-tucky fer cryin' out loud.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 03:16 PM

11. This reminds me of a progressive I know who was pissed at Doug Jones...

...for his consistently non-progressive voting record.

I had to LOL when my friend demanded that Jones be primaried by a true progressive!

Jones is the first Dem senator in Alabama in decades, yet this far-left-winger thought voters of this ruby-red state would elect an ideologically pure progressive!

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 03:17 PM

12. Amy McGrath doesn't win based on her support by "progressives"

Jesus Christ this push-back is tone-deaf.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 03:20 PM

14. True. But she doesn't have to slam them

Raising their profile by highlighting your opposition to their ideas is no different than saying "Vote for me, I hate liberals, too!!"

It's politics for the lazy

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 03:22 PM

16. "The lazy" is about 80% of the electorate

She needs to signal to racist white Kentuckians that she's "safe" to vote for. We don't get that seat unless she manages to do that.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 03:38 PM

17. You're saying she needs to get the racist vote?

Seems it would be easier to do by a primary challenge to McConnell

But, whatever

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 03:49 PM

20. Yes. Do you want the seat or not?

I canvassed for Obama in KY and WV back in 2008. I had a depressing number of people respond, "Yeah, we're voting for the n****r".

She needs the racist vote to win. And we need that seat.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 04:28 PM

34. Pragmatic has never played well at DU.

As long as Donald fucking Trump slinks out of the White House in January of 2021, I'll adapt.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #34)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 04:35 PM

36. Pragmatic would be to run as an R n/t

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #36)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 09:07 AM

48. 8 of 10 people in my county vote for Mitch even though they hate him

If McGrath can get them to rationalize not voting for McConnell, that may be enough to unseat him.

Do you live in an 80% red area?

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #48)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 11:18 AM

54. 8 of 10 people who currently vote

Half the eligible voters in the US don't vote

There's not much motivation to vote GOP vs Less-GOP

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #54)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 11:22 AM

55. Gee, thank you for informing me about where I live.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #55)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 11:29 AM

56. I meant no offense

It's statistically true throughout the US

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Response to Recursion (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 03:39 PM

18. A McGrath win is a two-fer.

McConnell goes to lobbying school and the Dems get closer to control of the Senate. McGrath is running as a Democrat, and she'll likely vote with Dems at least 85% of the time. I don't care if she's the darling of the moonshine coalition. There's a "D" beside her name. I'm fairly close to the edge of "left" on the continuum, but Kentucky is not the same as my state. I'll take a "D".

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Response to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 03:50 PM

22. Yup (nt)

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 03:19 PM

13. Also could white liberal dudes please just acknowledge that some elections aren't about them?

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Response to Recursion (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 04:11 PM

28. Or at least acknowledge that Kentucky and Vermont aren't the same politically.

That would be a start.

Running progressives in red states or districts hasn't been terribly successful. Certainly wasn't in 2018.

Gotta do what works in the environment.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 03:22 PM

15. probably not a lot of progressives in KY

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Response to spanone (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 09:12 AM

49. If allowed to count myself, I know 4.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 03:40 PM

19. Kentucky voter here--



She's doing what she has to in McConnell country AND the jet has appeal to many active or retired military voters around our two major installations.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 03:49 PM

21. I'm progressive

 

But taking out McConnell is far more important.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 03:58 PM

23. what works worth coastal elite type progressives don't work in most other states,

 

She runs what the state voters will support

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 09:05 AM

47. "coastal elite type progressives"

wow.

do they sip lattes in their welfare cadillacs as well?

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 04:02 PM

24. What works in KY is protecting the ACA and expanding Medicaid

not MFA or free college.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 04:03 PM

25. How many progressives are there in Kentucky?

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #25)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 04:08 PM

26. Three.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 04:17 PM

30. I thought there was 5. LOL!

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #30)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 04:38 PM

37. 6

but we have our governor now.

We exist. Amy is just not that great of a candidate, I saw her twice and donated money.
I will vote for her, but I know we must have a stronger person somewhere.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:17 PM

58. I'm liberal as all get out and I'm from KY

So is my mom and my sister. I've been a lurker here since shrubs inauguration. But there are lots of very ignorant people here that believes all news besides Fox is fake. Another thing is they blamed Obama for their high health insurance premiums. Many Kentuckians hated the idea of expanding Medicaid but now that we have it they can't get enough of it. So even though many Kentuckians might be opposed to those liberal ideas, I'm sure they would embrace them once they are passed and implemented. Also Andy Beshear won here largely because Bevin was framed as a horrible human being, not as a republican. I think if McGrath did the same against Moscow Mitch it would help her a lot.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 04:09 PM

27. Your acting like that's a bad thing?

It's Kentucky

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 04:17 PM

29. Maybe she is telling the truth instead of pandering. Maybe she honestly thinks Obamacare is best.

A strong Obamacare with a public option, expanded Medicare and Medicaid eligibility, and strong regulation of insurance providers is not exactly a regressive conservative position.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 04:24 PM

32. I don't see a problem

She’s running in Kentucky. Those are solid and achievable platform points that would benefit her state. Sounds fine to me.

I like service for college tuition ideas - especially if there’s non-military options focusing on environmental, community, or health service. Is just my opinion, but I would have benefited from such when I was in the worst of my PTSD years as a young adult. I just get a little excited when I hear those type solutions.

I’m pleased with my angry-at-Moscow Mitch donations to her campaign over the recent weeks. Is a good ad.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 04:24 PM

33. I like the ad.

She is running for Senator in Kentucky, for heavens sake. She has to speak to her constituents, not people in some other state.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 04:31 PM

35. Oh, FFS! She's running against Mitch McConnell! They'd prefer him? What is WRONG with

these people???

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 04:39 PM

38. This is all to familiar.

It reminds me of the days in 2014 of Charlie Crist running to unseat Rick Scott for governor. Crist had been a former republican. People on this board hated him, and focused on that more than they focused on the actual republican. Scott is now a Senator and voted to acquit 45. Crist is barely noticeable in his district as Representative.


Thank God for those Progressives, right?

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 04:48 PM

39. Job #1 is unseating Moscow Mitch

Just as job #1 for national Dems is unseating il drumpf. It's Kentucky and she has to appeal to Kentuckians to win.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 04:59 PM

40. I remember the Dem who lost to him last time

came from some long time prominent Ky family.

Her thing was to run far away from Obama. Never mentioned his name, etc.

Didn't get her far.

Don't be a rethug lite its a loser game.

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Response to Peregrine Took (Reply #40)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:40 PM

42. It's the only thing with a track record of unseating Republicans

It doesn't always work, but running as a liberal hasn't worked yet in these states and districts.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 08:47 AM

45. It's KY... WTF to do these folks expect!? NT

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 09:05 AM

46. It's Kentucky. It's time to swallow their pride

Do whatever it takes to win (but no cheating... unless Mitch is cheating, then we gotta even the playing field).

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 09:47 AM

50. She doesn't sound all that much different

on MFA or college tuition than some of our presidential candidates, so she's not that extreme.

Rule #1 is know you're audience, and this seems like it would play well in Kentucky. Anything to take down fucking McTurtle gets my support.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 09:49 AM

51. which is a good thing for amy

and shows why progressives shouldn't be guiding her strategy

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 09:50 AM

52. Good for Amy!!

She knows she lives in Kentucky and the importance of defeating McConnell!!

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 10:16 AM

53. Well, "free college" and "MFA" are terrible names for the plans ...

So I can hardly blame her, given she's in Kentucky.

"Tuition Support"
"Tuition Reform"
"Lowering Tuition Costs"
"Early Medicare Buy-In"
"Public Option"
"Lowering Health Care Costs"

Much better names.

Not ones with 'Free' (when it's not) and not ones with Mandates ('For All', like you WILL have this, like it or not).

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:18 PM

59. McConnell has a 20% approval rating

 

She should be running negative as hell

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 06:13 PM

61. Well, then, let's just keep McConnell

 


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