I had an interesting encounter with a Trumper today.

[Stinky The Clown]

Suffice to say he was a highly educated, intelligent professional. Our encounter was in a professional, albeit informal, setting.

I had on a Navy Veteran ball cap and a Fuck Trump t-shirt under a quarter zip fleece. In truth, I forget it was the t-shirt I was wearing today. For a reason I won't share, I had to take off the fleece. Until then, I had no idea this guy was a Trumper. He saw my shirt and instantly asked me (challenged is a better word) who I would vote for.

Knowing where the conversation was about to go, and being very much undecided, I thought the best way to fuck with him was to give him a curve ball. In that I was wearing the shirt I was wearing, I figured he was thinking I was some wild eyed liberal. So I said Bloomberg. That stopped him for a moment, but he came back with "yeah, the guy wants to overturn the Second Amendment" to which I replied "I bet you liked him before he changed teams." He chuckled and softened a bit at that. "Yeah, I guess you're right."

"Did you vote for Obama?"

"Yes"

"So you think his blah blah blah blah . . . . . ?"

"That was policy. Policy is a fair thing to debate."

"So why don't you like Trump?"please.

"Let me give you a very recent example. Just a few days ago, in a speech from the White House that was televised and likely seen around the world, he used the word 'bullshit'. From the WHITE HOUSE. That's disgusting. I didn't serve so a man can get elected and debase the office. He talks like a mobster. He's just plain embarrassing."

"Well, I don't like all he does either . . . . . blah blah blah blah . . . . ." All the wind was out of his sails.

I have no doubt his mind was unchanged. But I DO know the argument about Trump's manner, demeanor, deportment, character, etc., will shut these people up.

Once they shut up, some of them may at least listen. Maybe.

Maybe not.

[elleng]

1. Good work!

[underpants]

2. The "BULLSHIT" caught me too

So embarrassing.

[tiredtoo]

18. interesting discussion here.

A few days back i was in a discussion with a few trump supporters. the back and forth went on for a while until i finally said.. "I will finish this conversation with a trump quote.. 'Bullshit'". Nothing but silence after that.

[packman]

25. Love it -

I think Nancy's tearing up his SOTU speech was her way to saying "Bullshit"

[uponit7771]

3. ***THEY HATE THE TWEETING 100%*** If you want common ground set with a Trumper they...

... all hate the tweets and you can build from there.

[NewJeffCT]

12. Trump's lawyers hate the tweets as well

how soon till he admits to another crime?

[oldsoftie]

22. yes, that IS a common thing i've seen with all but the most virulent backers.

They parrot Limbaugh, who says "thats the ONLY way trump can tell us what he's doing..." Like the damn President of the US cant do a simple press release of "what he's doing". Like a NORMAL human would do
Then you have those who say "I like how he doesnt care what anyone thinks". Well, fine, but theres a right way & a wrong way to show that

[a kennedy]

4. Good for you......

That was exactly a perfect thing to say to him.

[UniteFightBack]

5. And I bet there is a lot of sane pukes who would vote for a Michael Bloomberg.nt

[Stinky The Clown]

6. This guy was hard right.

[azureblue]

31. and maybe Romney

Bloomberg has vowed to continue to attack Baby Don whether he is the nominee or not. He has the billions and he knows Don's weaknesses. He can shatter Trump all by himself. What will be the crack in Don's attack plan, is Romney. He is trying to get the sane GOPers together in a group to save their party from Trump. And they of course become Trump's enemies. Romney is in a position to convince the money people to dump Trump. This could be the two front attack that brings Trump down. Trump will be so spread out trying to attack his growing list of enemies (Gawd does that sound third world or what?) that he will make a huge mistake and down he goes.

[Drahthaardogs]

7. They LOVE his horrible behavior.

They are all wannabe tough guys.

I grew up on a ranch with 1000 head of cattle. I rode, roped, branded, castrated, drove tractors, carried rifles, all of it. I knew real cowboys who did it for a living. I was friends with rodeo competitors (I could never do that - not skilled enough).

The men and women I knew were honest, kind, and generally good. These wannabees all want to show how tough they are.

Funny thing is, when you're trying to convince an animal that outweighs you by 1200 lbs, being tough doesn't help. Being smart and fair does though.

[leftieNanner]

19. Interesting thing about tough guys with animals

I am (deeply) involved in a horse rescue sanctuary in Southern Oregon and we have a number of horses who were designated to be dangerous and scheduled to be euthanized by their previous owners (because that always seems to be the remedy for a problem horse) when we chose to rescue them. They had one thing in common - tough guy trainers. ALL of them - Echo, Woody, Thor, Casper - have, with lots of time, patience, and love become wonderful members of our herd and our horse family. Echo's previous owners tried to train him with a 2X4! Casper, a beautiful gray Arabian, is now gentle enough for children to groom. The point here, is that the previous trainers were all determined to force these horses to behave in their prescribed way. And their cruelty and impatience ruined these animals until we stepped in.

Being a tough guy isn't the answer.

[secondwind]

32. God bless you for all you do for the horses!

[LittleGirl]

33. I love you for loving those horses

And helping them be their best horses. I saw wild horses in AZ being rounded up and currently live near horse farms. I’ve only ridden a couple of times.

[leftieNanner]

34. If you are curious about what we do

The organization is the Equamore Foundation and our website is:

www.equamore.org

You can read all of the stories of our 59 four legged residents. It's all very inspiring.

[bucolic_frolic]

8. Gaslight and demoralize them, they've earned it

Take the wind out of their sails. Good job!

[dchill]

9. Points for being willing to TRY!

[Cracklin Charlie]

10. My husband told me that the Trumpers in his bowling league...

Were all talking about the courage shown by Senator Romney in his remarks before Congress before the vote in the Senate. Several of them had googled, and watched, his entire speech.

We both took that as a very encouraging development.

[oldsoftie]

23. There may be a reverse of what happened in '16 with the "voting booth honesty"

Back in '16, there were a lot of people who publicly would say "i'm not voting for him" but did. Today, some trump voters are scared to admit they now cant stand him, because of how adamant some of their friends are. So they may be saying "4 more years!" in public, but in the booth its "you know what? Screw him AND them"

[SlogginThroughIt]

11. To trumpers with kids I say....

To trumpers with kids I say, he is not what I want my child to aspire to be. His actions, mannerisms and words are not what I want my child to model his behavior after. How can I be ok with him as a president when he is not fit for my child to watch him on television?

That works. They are stuck with him and there is nothing they can do about it. Sometimes one of them will say something about PC this or that but generally they agree he is uncouth.

[renate]

21. Yep! Ask them if they would let you read a random sampling of his rally speeches to their child

Even they have to admit (to themselves) that they’d have reservations about that. Even if not for the racism and bigotry, which they might be A-OK with, they wouldn’t want their young kids hearing that language.

[yaesu]

13. he has the classic symptom of a fox news lobotomy, how educated he used to be is lost now nt

[Mr.Bill]

16. Education is not the same

as intelligence. The two are often assumed to go hand in hand, but that is not necessarily true. If someone cannot think for themselves and analyze information, they are as educated as a trained monkey. And about just as intelligent.

[oldsoftie]

24. I know of one who is very well educated & yet loses it ALL when the topic is trump.

He actually unfriended last week me on FB; even though he's known where i stand since day one. And he's not even the most strident trumper on my friends list. He's very well versed on many topics & easy to converse with on those subjects.

My offense? I posted the video of trump acting like a 5 yr old during the national anthem. He said "that was a private party". I said "Character is what you do when you dont think anyone will see you". He couldnt refute that, so i was gone.

[diva77]

14. Do you think it would have been possible to ask if he or his family had a pre-existing condition?

And whether he hoped to collect Social Security checks? Or was he too menacing?

[Stinky The Clown]

15. I'm not prone to being menaced, but the fact is, he wasn't menacing.

[DENVERPOPS]

17. I run into

alot of well educated individuals that I know were Republicans all their lives and just go along with this entire Republican conflagration because of that. The term "Scorched Earth" comes to mind.

The reality of this entire mess is that a large percentage of these people continue to have their bank accounts padded by tax cuts their republican party provides them scott free. They are thinking of their finances prospering, with only having to vote for a few minutes every four years to get their wealth to escalate, and they could give a Rats ass about the country, democracy, or their children and grand children. They, like Trump and the Republicans are so un-fathomably narcistic they can only, and will only, think of themselves.........period. I suppose there are a number of these almost sociopaths that are also into power and status (think politicians and corporate executives).............all exuding nauseating virtues and disgusting values........

Most disturbing is the spawn they raise, indoctrinating them to think just like them. Think no farther than the horrific children of Donald Trump............

[ismnotwasm]

20. Co worker has a Dad who is fairly up in rank in the navy

You know, the perfect kind to get taken in by Trumps bullshit.

She say he is appalled. His buddies are appalled some Sitting out there on a battleship in the Persian gulf. Just appalled at Trump and his mishandling of, well, everything

[brush]

26. Well done.

[Baked Potato]

27. The truth to them is like Preparation H

It makes them shrink and go back inside their colons.

[Laelth]

29. LOL. n/t

-Laelth

[Laelth]

28. I have been talking to quite a few Trumpers lately.

None that I have talked to really "liked" Trump. They acknowledge that he is a boorish buffoon, but that's not enough to get them to vote for a Democrat. For most of them, I think, voting Democratic would threaten their masculinity. Deep down, I think that's what this is really about.



-Laelth

[Baked Potato]

30. Agreed...

I would add misogyny and racism to the homophobia. The three basic “phobias” the right wing draws on to control their people and craft their messaging.

[SWBTATTReg]

35. Good for you. Defanged them. I did the same thing (argument) that his language (rump's) is...

disgusting and he needs to wash his mouth out. They didn't know what to say about that comment, what could they say?

[FiveGoodMen]

36. "highly educated, intelligent professional"

If you'll doom your country because you don't like someone's style...

That's certainly NOT intelligent.

[Under The Radar]

37. A montage of clips of his swearing finishing with "nobody knows the Bible more than me"

I do believe would make more MAGAts drop their head. Change their vote, not likely.

[randr]

38. It is the lack of moral character that will bring him down

People have asked me what I think of Trump and I always answer that "I still think the same of him as I did when I first learned of him. Only more so. And you? What did you think of Trump back in the 90's and what has changed? Him or you?

[cstanleytech]

39. If they still support Trump now after all this time and after all he has done there is no maybe as

they will pretzel themselves better than a game of twister could do in order to still support him.