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Good news from Utah: (Original Post) Kingofalldems Feb 2020 OP
Romney benefits from being a bishop in the Mormon Church. RandySF Feb 2020 #1
How is that legal? Tiggeroshii Feb 2020 #7
It doesn't pay anything RandySF Feb 2020 #10
As far as I can gather, it's more of an honorofic than a calling. soldierant Feb 2020 #28
This is how Utah Works! Wellstone ruled Feb 2020 #9
About half the men in the Mormon Church are bishops jmowreader Feb 2020 #20
Not quite right FreeState Feb 2020 #23
they are actually called stakes. my late mom did some volunteering @ the local stakes AllaN01Bear Feb 2020 #25
A Stake is a combinations of Wards (parishes) FreeState Feb 2020 #27
Oh, my. I hope my joke didn't insult you. soldierant Feb 2020 #29
Not at all FreeState Feb 2020 #30
Bishop Pastor in Mormonism FreeState Feb 2020 #22
:) True Blue American Feb 2020 #2
where any of the other GOP senators home states surveyed about Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #3
I haven't heard. Would be interesting. Kingofalldems Feb 2020 #4
yes, isn't that funny Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #11
I was wondering about that too Danascot Feb 2020 #16
We'll see a survey on election day! eleny Feb 2020 #13
They'll be polled on November 3 this year IronLionZion Feb 2020 #21
Trump's numbers have always been terrible in Utah RGTIndy Feb 2020 #5
Unfortunately, it doesn't help Dems much... Wounded Bear Feb 2020 #18
Utah is a Mormon state with a long history of family values. vlyons Feb 2020 #6
The counterpoint is that many Mormons hate liberalism/democrats el_bryanto Feb 2020 #8
They also have a history of not trusting government bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #17
Family Values FreeState Feb 2020 #24
Romney ought to retweet this. She_Totally_Gets_It Feb 2020 #12
Terrific news! zentrum Feb 2020 #14
Need more gasoline safeinOhio Feb 2020 #15
There are a few things the Mormons do right, like having no hell Warpy Feb 2020 #19
As they should be. Laelth Feb 2020 #26
I think people in Maine and Alaska LisaM Feb 2020 #31
Be careful Utah, King Drumpf will get mad. nt BootinUp Feb 2020 #32
good. now switch parties mittens! n/t orleans Feb 2020 #33
Appears that Rasmussen is the pollster DeminPennswoods Feb 2020 #34
He would have lost a primary if it was held this year Pompoy Feb 2020 #35
Just as the Mormons chose Utah, the Trump lovers greymattermom Feb 2020 #36

soldierant

(7,390 posts)
28. As far as I can gather, it's more of an honorofic than a calling.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 10:15 PM
Feb 2020

But there are benefits to having an honorific, certainly. Privilege.

I remember years ago reading a (much older) Mormon joke in which a family was discussing the new deacon Granny was hard of hearing, and Pa explained, "We're talking about the new DEACON! He's the son of a BISHOP!"

Granny: "Aren't they all?"

jmowreader

(50,828 posts)
20. About half the men in the Mormon Church are bishops
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:59 PM
Feb 2020

The LDS doesn’t have paid leadership at the local church level. Instead, each local church elects one man, who has to be married and to have gone through priesthood training (all Mormon men do this), to be the church bishop for typically between 4 and 7 years.

FreeState

(10,624 posts)
23. Not quite right
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:12 PM
Feb 2020

Each local ward (parish) has A bishop that serves for 3-5 years (rarely more). They go through no training out side of being ordained with the lay priesthood - which all men in the church usually have. About 5% of Mormon men will ever be Bishops.

Source - life long LDS family with a Dad that was a Bishop.

AllaN01Bear

(20,827 posts)
25. they are actually called stakes. my late mom did some volunteering @ the local stakes
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:21 PM
Feb 2020

geneology center as she used their resources over the years . even went to salt lake a # of times . you dont have to be morman to use the centers . back to our original program, im glad he stood for his morals rather than stand behind that thing in the white house , and is a true rather than these false nationalists .

FreeState

(10,624 posts)
27. A Stake is a combinations of Wards (parishes)
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 07:33 PM
Feb 2020

The wards typically meet at a Stake Center ((Stake = Diocese, 3-5 Wards, they also have Ward Houses when the Stake is large enough to need several large building).

Born and raised LDS (my 4th great grandfather on one side was Marin Harris - dumb dumb dum [South Park reference].

FreeState

(10,624 posts)
30. Not at all
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 10:41 PM
Feb 2020

I’m not a believer

But a Deacon in Mormonism is a 12-14 year old boy - regardless of his fathers position

FreeState

(10,624 posts)
22. Bishop Pastor in Mormonism
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:09 PM
Feb 2020

Its a volunteer job of 3-5 years as a local pastor - no one gets benefits from it - its low man on the totem pole.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
3. where any of the other GOP senators home states surveyed about
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:30 PM
Feb 2020

whether they were happy with the senators vote?

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
11. yes, isn't that funny
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:46 PM
Feb 2020

i haven't seen any surveys for other states either.
I have seen some editorials saying the senators aren't doing their duty

Danascot

(4,767 posts)
16. I was wondering about that too
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:54 PM
Feb 2020

I couldn't find any post-acquittal polls for Collins. The most recent poll I could find was taken by Morning Consult in mid-January. It found she was the "least popular senator in the country". Despite that dubious distinction she still voted to acquit.

"Morning Consult, which conducts quarterly surveys of every senator’s performance, released a poll last month that showed Collins as the least popular senator in the country, below even the polarizing Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. Of those surveyed, 42 percent approved of her performance while 52 percent did not."

https://www.pressherald.com/2020/02/09/collins-chose-not-to-convict-in-trumps-impeachment-now-what/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/01/16/susan-collins-approval-rating/4495142002/

IronLionZion

(46,022 posts)
21. They'll be polled on November 3 this year
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:00 PM
Feb 2020

and it's the only poll that matters so it's time for some of these GOP Senators to find new careers in the private sector. I'm thinking Collins and Garner and McSally can be replaced by Dems.

Wounded Bear

(59,327 posts)
18. Unfortunately, it doesn't help Dems much...
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:14 PM
Feb 2020

Well, hopefully they will stay home in Nov, or at least not pull the lever for Trump.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
6. Utah is a Mormon state with a long history of family values.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:40 PM
Feb 2020

Mormons detest vulgar language, adultery, divorce, any kind of fraud or stealing, disrespect towards women, and cruelty to children. Plus Romney is a favorite son and a pillar of the Mormon community. Their religious beliefs don't make much sense to me, but they stick together to uphold family values. There is no way that Trump passes muster with Mormons.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
8. The counterpoint is that many Mormons hate liberalism/democrats
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:44 PM
Feb 2020

So they have to decide if their hatred for the Clintons and Democrats counts for more than their hatred for vulgarity and filthy language. At least here (Tallahassee), it's about neck and neck, and a lot of the people praising Romney are pretty liberal anyway.

Bryant

bucolic_frolic

(44,632 posts)
17. They also have a history of not trusting government
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:12 PM
Feb 2020

Some still won't use USPS, so a vote against government is acceptable to them.

FreeState

(10,624 posts)
24. Family Values
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:14 PM
Feb 2020

Not - look how they treat LGBTQI family members or people that leave.

This is a talking point with very little truth in it that keeps getting repeated. LDS families are not friendly towards anyone that is not 100% a true believer. Thats not family values, that's a cult.

Warpy

(112,172 posts)
19. There are a few things the Mormons do right, like having no hell
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 03:31 PM
Feb 2020

They also see right through that blob of orange putrescence in the White House: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mckaycoppins/mormon-voters-really-dont-like-donald-trump-heres-why

We might despise them when they lean on our doorbells when we're getting out of the shower, but they've been a lot harder to fool than other Christians.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
26. As they should be.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 04:35 PM
Feb 2020

I remain convinced that most Republicans have some kind of integrity. Evidently, a lot of them live in Utah.

-Laelth

DeminPennswoods

(15,571 posts)
34. Appears that Rasmussen is the pollster
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 03:54 AM
Feb 2020

for this poll, fwiw. Given his reputation as a pollster, this poll might actually be even better than it is.

Pompoy

(133 posts)
35. He would have lost a primary if it was held this year
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 09:30 AM
Feb 2020

Based on the numbers of the Republicans who are unhappy with him over his vote, if he faced a primary this year, the odds are that he would have been show the door.
Which surprised me, The Trump cult is stronger than Mormon kinship.
How can they not see that he acted honorably? Don't they value honor?

greymattermom

(5,779 posts)
36. Just as the Mormons chose Utah, the Trump lovers
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 12:12 PM
Feb 2020

who hide behind their religion should choose Alabama and Mississippi. And leave the rest of us alone. Houses are cheap there, just watch Home Town to verify that, so moving might work financially.That would leave them with 11 representatives and 4 senators. A few other states might join later. Indiana? Oklahoma? South Dakota? This should work.

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