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babylonsister

(171,045 posts)
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 01:27 PM Feb 2020

American Bar Association Goes After Trump For Blasting Roger Stone Sentencing On Twitter


POLITICS 02/12/2020 07:55 pm ET Updated 3 hours ago
American Bar Association Goes After Trump For Blasting Roger Stone Sentencing On Twitter
The organization put out a pointed statement about “public officials who personally attack judges or prosecutors” after the president did just that.
By Sanjana Karanth


The American Bar Association indirectly denounced President Donald Trump on Wednesday for publicly criticizing the sentencing recommendation for his friend Roger Stone as well as the judge presiding over Stone’s case.

“The American Bar Association steadfastly supports judicial independence and the sound exercise of prosecutorial discretion,” ABA President Judy Perry Martinez said in a statement on Wednesday. “Public officials who personally attack judges or prosecutors can create a perception that the system is serving a political or other purpose rather than the fair administration of justice.”


The message from the organization of lawyers follows Trump’s tweet early Tuesday morning calling the seven- to nine-year sentencing recommendation for Stone a “miscarriage of justice.” The Trump adviser had been convicted of witness tampering and lying to Congress.

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American Bar Association Goes After Trump For Blasting Roger Stone Sentencing On Twitter (Original Post) babylonsister Feb 2020 OP
Recommended democrank Feb 2020 #1
Go after Barr too Sanity Claws Feb 2020 #2
The ABA has nothing to do with licening attorneys. n/t Ms. Toad Feb 2020 #3
But they can make referrals Sanity Claws Feb 2020 #4
There's a difference between being vocal about principles of law Ms. Toad Feb 2020 #5
There may generally be difference between principles and targeting specific people Sanity Claws Feb 2020 #6
They are very different things. Ms. Toad Feb 2020 #15
I think the ABA still has, or should have some guidelines around membership. sdfernando Feb 2020 #14
Here's the formal statement: Ms. Toad Feb 2020 #16
You are 100% correct DENVERPOPS Feb 2020 #11
About effin' time malaise Feb 2020 #7
I feel better now lunatica Feb 2020 #8
wtf? a "perception"? Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2020 #9
But when will they get off their butts over Barr? cstanleytech Feb 2020 #10
Now Trump will go after the ABA to abolish its influence on legal oversight! TheBlackAdder Feb 2020 #12
⭐️K&R⭐️ spanone Feb 2020 #13

Sanity Claws

(21,846 posts)
4. But they can make referrals
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 01:41 PM
Feb 2020

They can't revoke or suspend his license but, if he is a member, they can remove him from membership, and file a complaint/ make a referral to the applicable bar.
The ABA is not helpless in this matter. If the ABA wants to stand for the rule of law, it should take whatever steps it can.

Ms. Toad

(34,055 posts)
5. There's a difference between being vocal about principles of law
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 01:50 PM
Feb 2020

and targeting specific people. It does the former, it does not do the latter.

Membership in the ABA is open to anyone willing to pay the membership fee.

Sanity Claws

(21,846 posts)
6. There may generally be difference between principles and targeting specific people
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 02:25 PM
Feb 2020

However, I don't see the difference when the specific person involved is the AG violating law at the highest level and in effect violating principles of law.
The ABA is an advocacy as well as a membership group. It should be taking a stand against Barr and show it publicly.

Ms. Toad

(34,055 posts)
15. They are very different things.
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:54 PM
Feb 2020

One is advocating for "judicial independence and the sound exercise of prosecutorial discretion." The other is passing judgment on a person.

They did ot even do that with Trump - their statement was limited to describing unacceptable circumstances, not passing judgment on Trump's action: "Public officials who personally attack judges or prosecutors can create a perception that the system is serving a political or other purpose rather than the fair administration of justice.”

sdfernando

(4,929 posts)
14. I think the ABA still has, or should have some guidelines around membership.
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:32 PM
Feb 2020

For the purposes of this, lets say I was a lawyer and joined the ABA just after passing the BAR...then I murdered by parents to inherit their money, was caught and convicted. I'm still licensed lawyer but I would think & hope that a prestigious organization like the ABA would revoke my membership.

Ms. Toad

(34,055 posts)
16. Here's the formal statement:
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:57 PM
Feb 2020
Who can join the ABA?
Membership in the ABA is open to everyone through different membership categories. You may join as a U.S. licensed lawyer, a non-U.S. licensed lawyer, law student (at an ABA-accredited law school), student (a post-secondary education–level student) or a non–lawyer (includes paralegals, law librarians, economists and others interested in the ABA).


So even if Barr gets disbarred (as he likley would be if he murdered his parents), he is still free to retain his membership as a non-lawyer . . . interested in the ABA.

DENVERPOPS

(8,802 posts)
11. You are 100% correct
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 04:34 PM
Feb 2020

Trump doesn't even have a legal degree or bar certification.

Why? aren't they going after Barr, guiliani, and a hundred other bar certified attorneys in the administration and the Senate.
Of course they can just go register in another state, but that takes time and detracts from their efforts. If they continue to advise Trump, they can be prosecuted for practicing with out a license I would suspect.

We need an un-relenting tsunami of shit coming at them from every direction to stifle their agenda.........

The Democratic Party has NO leader, and NO agenda, and NO organization..........

Look no further than the Dem's primary election disarray....it's laughable.........

Someone commented that if things continue like they are, we won't have a candidate at this rate until September.....

While the dems are wandering down the jungle path swatting at mosquitoes, they are oblivious to the herd of charging elephants...
(no pun intended, but "perfectly" right on target)

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
8. I feel better now
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 03:36 PM
Feb 2020

Really. I was beginning to feel some real despair at the thought that the Judicial System was caving to Barr. He and Trump and Moscow Mitch aren’t concerned if principled prosecutors quit in protest. That just makes it easier for them since they have no intention of stopping their takeover.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,309 posts)
9. wtf? a "perception"?
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 03:50 PM
Feb 2020

Oh gee, "a perception that the system is serving a political or other purpose". It's not just a perception; the system is IN FACT serving a political or other purpose! Has anybody at the ABA seen any news in the last 3 years?

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