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Dennis Donovan

(31,059 posts)
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 09:21 AM Feb 2020

BREAKING: 1100+ USDoJ alumni release statement condemning Barr & call for resignation



Protect Democracy ✔@protctdemocracy

BREAKING: 1100+ @TheJusticeDept alumni join together to declare:

-DOJ must be free from @realDonaldTrump political interference.

- AG Barr has failed to uphold his oath of office.

-We stand with DOJ employees committed to protecting equal justice.


https://tinyurl.com/v9moecu
DOJ Alumni Statement on the Events Surrounding the Sentencing of Roger Stone
We, the undersigned, are alumni of the United States Department of Justice (DOJ) who have collectively served both Republican and…


7:19 AM - Feb 16, 2020


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/16/us/politics/barr-trump-justice-department.html

Former Justice Dept. Lawyers Press for Barr to Step Down

More than 1,100 former prosecutors and officials who served in Republican and Democratic administrations signed an open letter condemning the president and the attorney general over the Stone case.

By Katie Benner
Feb. 16, 2020
Updated 8:06 a.m. ET

WASHINGTON — More than 1,100 former federal prosecutors and Justice Department officials called on Attorney General William P. Barr on Sunday to step down after he intervened last week to lower the Justice Department’s sentencing recommendation for President Trump’s longtime friend Roger J. Stone Jr.

They also urged current government employees to report any signs of unethical behavior at the Justice Department to the agency’s inspector general and to Congress.

“Each of us strongly condemns President Trump’s and Attorney General Barr’s interference in the fair administration of justice,” the former Justice Department lawyers, who came from across the political spectrum, wrote in an open letter on Sunday. Those actions, they said, “require Mr. Barr to resign.”

The sharp denunciation of Mr. Barr underlined the extent of the fallout over the case of Mr. Stone, capping a week that strained the attorney general’s relationship with his rank and file, and with the president himself.

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The Statement:

DOJ Alumni Statement on the Events Surrounding the Sentencing of Roger Stone

Feb 16

We, the undersigned, are alumni of the United States Department of Justice (DOJ) who have collectively served both Republican and Democratic administrations. Each of us strongly condemns President Trump’s and Attorney General Barr’s interference in the fair administration of justice.

As former DOJ officials, we each proudly took an oath to support and defend our Constitution and faithfully execute the duties of our offices. The very first of these duties is to apply the law equally to all Americans. This obligation flows directly from the Constitution, and it is embedded in countless rules and laws governing the conduct of DOJ lawyers. The Justice Manual — the DOJ’s rulebook for its lawyers — states that “the rule of law depends on the evenhanded administration of justice”; that the Department’s legal decisions “must be impartial and insulated from political influence”; and that the Department’s prosecutorial powers, in particular, must be “exercised free from partisan consideration.”

All DOJ lawyers are well-versed in these rules, regulations, and constitutional commands. They stand for the proposition that political interference in the conduct of a criminal prosecution is anathema to the Department’s core mission and to its sacred obligation to ensure equal justice under the law.

And yet, President Trump and Attorney General Barr have openly and repeatedly flouted this fundamental principle, most recently in connection with the sentencing of President Trump’s close associate, Roger Stone, who was convicted of serious crimes. The Department has a long-standing practice in which political appointees set broad policies that line prosecutors apply to individual cases. That practice exists to animate the constitutional principles regarding the even-handed application of the law. Although there are times when political leadership appropriately weighs in on individual prosecutions, it is unheard of for the Department’s top leaders to overrule line prosecutors, who are following established policies, in order to give preferential treatment to a close associate of the President, as Attorney General Barr did in the Stone case. It is even more outrageous for the Attorney General to intervene as he did here — after the President publicly condemned the sentencing recommendation that line prosecutors had already filed in court.

Such behavior is a grave threat to the fair administration of justice. In this nation, we are all equal before the law. A person should not be given special treatment in a criminal prosecution because they are a close political ally of the President. Governments that use the enormous power of law enforcement to punish their enemies and reward their allies are not constitutional republics; they are autocracies.

We welcome Attorney General Barr’s belated acknowledgment that the DOJ’s law enforcement decisions must be independent of politics; that it is wrong for the President to interfere in specific enforcement matters, either to punish his opponents or to help his friends; and that the President’s public comments on DOJ matters have gravely damaged the Department’s credibility. But Mr. Barr’s actions in doing the President’s personal bidding unfortunately speak louder than his words. Those actions, and the damage they have done to the Department of Justice’s reputation for integrity and the rule of law, require Mr. Barr to resign. But because we have little expectation he will do so, it falls to the Department’s career officials to take appropriate action to uphold their oaths of office and defend nonpartisan, apolitical justice.

For these reasons, we support and commend the four career prosecutors who upheld their oaths and stood up for the Department’s independence by withdrawing from the Stone case and/or resigning from the Department. Our simple message to them is that we — and millions of other Americans — stand with them. And we call on every DOJ employee to follow their heroic example and be prepared to report future abuses to the Inspector General, the Office of Professional Responsibility, and Congress; to refuse to carry out directives that are inconsistent with their oaths of office; to withdraw from cases that involve such directives or other misconduct; and, if necessary, to resign and report publicly — in a manner consistent with professional ethics — to the American people the reasons for their resignation. We likewise call on the other branches of government to protect from retaliation those employees who uphold their oaths in the face of unlawful directives. The rule of law and the survival of our Republic demand nothing less.

If you are a former DOJ employee and would like to add your name below, click here. Protect Democracy will update this list daily with new signatories.


WOW! Other "alumni joint statements" usually have a few hundred signatories. 1100+ is remarkable, and WARRANTED. There's also a mechanism on the medium.com page to allow other fmr DoJ exployees to submit their names for inclusion, so their numbers will swell.
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BREAKING: 1100+ USDoJ alumni release statement condemning Barr & call for resignation (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 OP
This will virtually be ignored. democratisphere Feb 2020 #1
1100+ cannot be ignored. This is cover for those still in DoJ to do the right thing Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #3
I heard a pundit say yesterday True Blue American Feb 2020 #28
I agree 100% Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #30
Not correct - current employees are being asked to resign, as a last resort, rather than Ms. Toad Feb 2020 #45
Not only that, but if they resign John Fante Feb 2020 #43
100% True Blue American Feb 2020 #44
Agreed. Since it wasn't current employees Luciferous Feb 2020 #6
We don't want current ones to get fired, they are the only thing between Barr and his destruction redstatebluegirl Feb 2020 #33
⭐️⭐️⭐️K&R⭐️⭐️⭐️ spanone Feb 2020 #2
I love how they released it this am *right* before the Sunday shows crank up! Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #7
👍🏼 spanone Feb 2020 #10
+ 1000 n/t MFGsunny Feb 2020 #39
First four graphs: dchill Feb 2020 #4
I added the whole statement to the OP Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #5
Good. I really think 1100+ can't be ignored. dchill Feb 2020 #8
That number alone tells me this is quite serious Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #11
I'm actually pleasantly surprised, however... dchill Feb 2020 #14
Barr's getting involved with the Stone case was it. Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #19
Kick and recommend bronxiteforever Feb 2020 #9
WTF that asshole Barr has hired outside investigators . . . Iliyah Feb 2020 #12
And they're probably going to go back into Hillary's file too, calimary Feb 2020 #31
Agree. It's an attack machine that will rival, and could surpass McCarthy. They will push Evolve Dammit Feb 2020 #34
Good, even if it's ignored people can't say they weren't told uponit7771 Feb 2020 #13
Now they need to get him disbarred. Then we MIGHT get somewhere. blueinredohio Feb 2020 #15
It is not too late to change Barr's Dirt Services back to the Dept. of Justice! Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2020 #16
This country has hit new lows Scarsdale Feb 2020 #17
We all know that trump has no sense of loyalty, he doesn't consider anyone a friend Perseus Feb 2020 #18
Yep...but he won't. paleotn Feb 2020 #20
He may be forced out by his own employees at DoJ Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #23
I hope that's the case, but I just don't see it. paleotn Feb 2020 #36
Bookmarked n/t Martin Eden Feb 2020 #21
Trump's criminal regime cannot succeed without Barr and McConnell dalton99a Feb 2020 #22
Strategic replacements Prue Feb 2020 #29
This is EXCELLENT! calimary Feb 2020 #32
His refusal to resign over this will do one thing for sure, duforsure Feb 2020 #24
Bravo! Although bad memory of all the prosecutors Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2020 #25
K&R BlueJac Feb 2020 #26
That's 1100 deepstate operatives just added to Trump's "enemies list". Swede Feb 2020 #27
That's a pretty big deal. I don't think it will stop Trump and Barr from PatrickforO Feb 2020 #35
Yes you are right. But it is very sad that few will even know about it. triron Feb 2020 #38
Oops I didn't see your post earlier his am. Thanks for posting! triron Feb 2020 #37
Historic. MerryBlooms Feb 2020 #40
Barr admonishment of Trump Rogerpatterson Feb 2020 #41
That's 1100+ that will be picked up bluecollar2 Feb 2020 #42
This is great... but isn't it really toothless? CalFione Feb 2020 #46
This is nice to see but will not change a thing. Ferrets are Cool Feb 2020 #47
K&R Blue Owl Feb 2020 #48
Oh,so brave... except they are 'retired'... He's what my old Granfather would offer.. NotHardly Feb 2020 #49
Done something braver against trump yourself? lostnfound Feb 2020 #50
The question for trump is.... Turbineguy Feb 2020 #51
Whoa. That's unheard of. Barr's criminal activity needs to have consequences Vivienne235729 Feb 2020 #52

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
1. This will virtually be ignored.
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 09:26 AM
Feb 2020

Active DOJ employees need to do the same and stand together. There should be a loud cry from EVERYWHERE for behind-bars-barr to immediately resign as AG.

Dennis Donovan

(31,059 posts)
3. 1100+ cannot be ignored. This is cover for those still in DoJ to do the right thing
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 09:29 AM
Feb 2020

Whether it's whistleblowing or resignations (I prefer the former), 1100+ former DoJ have their backs.

True Blue American

(18,579 posts)
28. I heard a pundit say yesterday
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 11:24 AM
Feb 2020

That it is not fair to ask career Professionals to resign and not expect Republicans in Congress to do the same. They created these monsters.

Ms. Toad

(38,638 posts)
45. Not correct - current employees are being asked to resign, as a last resort, rather than
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 04:29 PM
Feb 2020

carrying out unethical directives:

And we call on every DOJ employee to follow their heroic example and be prepared to report future abuses to the Inspector General, the Office of Professional Responsibility, and Congress; to refuse to carry out directives that are inconsistent with their oaths of office; to withdraw from cases that involve such directives or other misconduct; and, if necessary, to resign and report publicly — in a manner consistent with professional ethics — to the American people the reasons for their resignation.

Luciferous

(6,586 posts)
6. Agreed. Since it wasn't current employees
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 09:41 AM
Feb 2020

they will probably just ignore it, although I can understand why current employees would be reluctant to do the same thing.

redstatebluegirl

(12,827 posts)
33. We don't want current ones to get fired, they are the only thing between Barr and his destruction
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 12:12 PM
Feb 2020

of the DOJ.

dchill

(42,660 posts)
4. First four graphs:
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 09:33 AM
Feb 2020
"We, the undersigned, are alumni of the United States Department of Justice (DOJ) who have collectively served both Republican and Democratic administrations. Each of us strongly condemns President Trump’s and Attorney General Barr’s interference in the fair administration of justice.

As former DOJ officials, we each proudly took an oath to support and defend our Constitution and faithfully execute the duties of our offices. The very first of these duties is to apply the law equally to all Americans. This obligation flows directly from the Constitution, and it is embedded in countless rules and laws governing the conduct of DOJ lawyers. The Justice Manual — the DOJ’s rulebook for its lawyers — states that “the rule of law depends on the evenhanded administration of justice”; that the Department’s legal decisions “must be impartial and insulated from political influence”; and that the Department’s prosecutorial powers, in particular, must be “exercised free from partisan consideration.”

All DOJ lawyers are well-versed in these rules, regulations, and constitutional commands. They stand for the proposition that political interference in the conduct of a criminal prosecution is anathema to the Department’s core mission and to its sacred obligation to ensure equal justice under the law.

And yet, President Trump and Attorney General Barr have openly and repeatedly flouted this fundamental principle, most recently in connection with the sentencing of President Trump’s close associate, Roger Stone, who was convicted of serious crimes. The Department has a long-standing practice in which political appointees set broad policies that line prosecutors apply to individual cases. That practice exists to animate the constitutional principles regarding the even-handed application of the law. Although there are times when political leadership appropriately weighs in on individual prosecutions, it is unheard of for the Department’s top leaders to overrule line prosecutors, who are following established policies, in order to give preferential treatment to a close associate of the President, as Attorney General Barr did in the Stone case. It is even more outrageous for the Attorney General to intervene as he did here — after the President publicly condemned the sentencing recommendation that line prosecutors had already filed in court."

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Dennis Donovan

(31,059 posts)
11. That number alone tells me this is quite serious
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 09:53 AM
Feb 2020

On the medium.com page, they have a mechanism for other fmr-DoJ employees to co-sign the statement, so expect that number to grow!

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
12. WTF that asshole Barr has hired outside investigators . . .
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 09:55 AM
Feb 2020

to undermine DOJ prosecutors on the Flynn case.

And I'm pretty sure they are trying to find dirt on Pres. O as well.

Asshole Barr is as sick as t-rump, McTurtle and the rest of the insane cult.

calimary

(90,021 posts)
31. And they're probably going to go back into Hillary's file too,
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 11:52 AM
Feb 2020

Because King Jingo (my husband’s new name for trump) doesn’t think he got enough revenge on her, too.

Evolve Dammit

(21,777 posts)
34. Agree. It's an attack machine that will rival, and could surpass McCarthy. They will push
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 12:14 PM
Feb 2020

with all they have. And they have a lot. AG, Justice, Senate, Presidency and propaganda networks unseen before. Makes you wish for a selective, party specific coronavirus.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
17. This country has hit new lows
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 10:07 AM
Feb 2020

since tRump took office. Barr groveled for this job, so there is no surprise about what he is doing. Something HAS to be done, even before the next election, to right the ship of state. tRump has already declared himself a "king". When so many career lawyers are alarmed to this extent, we should all take notice. tRump has installed people just like Barr in all departments of the government. Most of them are inexperienced, with no knowledge of what their "jobs" entail. For him to have amassed this many incompetant people, there must be a department labeled "Toadies for Trump" I imagine their headquarters is based in Mar-A-Lardo.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
18. We all know that trump has no sense of loyalty, he doesn't consider anyone a friend
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 10:30 AM
Feb 2020

He just uses people.

That argument that he is "protecting his friends" is not true. He is not protecting his friends because he has no friends, what he is protecting is himself by favouring Stone to make sure Stone doesn't spill his guts, it is a mutual agreement. We all know that if the opportunity comes, trump will throw Stone under the bus.

trump is obstructing justice, nothing short of that, he knows Stone and other people who are being investigated, indicted or tried have all the dirt they need to bury him, and that is what he is protecting, he doesn't care about the people it is his skin he is worried about.

Why doesn't he throw Giuliani under the bus? Because Giuliani "has insurance", and we all know what that means.

paleotn

(22,218 posts)
20. Yep...but he won't.
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 10:43 AM
Feb 2020

With McConnell, the surviving Koch, The Heritage Foundation, Gym Jordan and the hacks, the Mercers, Sheldon Adelson and the whole Fox crew, et. al. about to realize their dream of a Fascist States of America, they won't stop now. Weaponizing DOJ and filling the judiciary with judges who would do the Reich Ministry of Justice proud are the finally pieces of their puzzle.

Dennis Donovan

(31,059 posts)
23. He may be forced out by his own employees at DoJ
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 11:01 AM
Feb 2020

The little jig he did on Thursday wasn't for Trump's specific benefit (although it's very likely he coordinated it with the WH). That was for those in DoJ who were threatening to mutiny. Apparently, they weren't fooled, hence the bombshell letter today from their former DoJ co-workers.

paleotn

(22,218 posts)
36. I hope that's the case, but I just don't see it.
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 12:24 PM
Feb 2020

I don't think Barr gives two shits what his employees think. Let them mutiny. They're replaceable. The ultimate prize for Barr, Trump and the rest is right in front of them and they won't quite now. And the media will keep on with its...don't hyperventilate! It's not THAT bad!..false equivalence!...false equivalence!...while the democracy burns down around their conspicuously objective heads. On the NPR show Here and Now this week a former Reagan official, now a Harvard Law professor seemed dismayed at Robin Young's obvious lack of concern about Barr and what amounts to weaponizing the DOJ. I felt like reaching through the radio and slapping the shit out of her. And that's on NPR! Imagine how the Chuck Todds of the industry are reporting this.

After the Senate let widespread corruption slide, I thought maybe the whole ancient, American ideal of rule of law and equality before the law...that you just don't fuck with DOJ .... would give them pause. It didn't. There are no more firewalls except Nov. 2. There are no more checks and balances except Nov 2. And my worst fears are realized. They are weaponizing DOJ as McConnell is weaponizing the judiciary. Even if the courts strike down this or order that, what's the stop this administration from simply giving them the middle finger? Nothing. It's like Senate Republicans don't have a clue what they've unleashed or if they do, they simply don't give a shit.

Prue

(139 posts)
29. Strategic replacements
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 11:34 AM
Feb 2020

We should aim for McConnell first. Once he is no longer a factor in the Senate we can move legislation through Congress and harness trump and his allies.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
24. His refusal to resign over this will do one thing for sure,
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 11:06 AM
Feb 2020

Make the likelyhood he will be sent to prison for his corruption , his lies, his obstructions, and he conspired to do everything, and he will have to face justice from the next AG, who knows could be Hillary, or Kamala , or someone he really hates or is scared of, Robert Mueller. His time in the barrel is coming fast now for all he's done to hurt the justice department, and the rule of law. I'd bet he's not sleeping well at night now. Barr cold also become trumps biggest nightmare soon.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
25. Bravo! Although bad memory of all the prosecutors
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 11:13 AM
Feb 2020

Signing letter that trump committed crime obstruction of justice.

Swede

(39,492 posts)
27. That's 1100 deepstate operatives just added to Trump's "enemies list".
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 11:22 AM
Feb 2020

This will never end until the Orange fat Hitler is gone.

PatrickforO

(15,425 posts)
35. That's a pretty big deal. I don't think it will stop Trump and Barr from
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 12:18 PM
Feb 2020

obstructing justice, but it serves as a challenge to wake up Americans to what is happening.

Seriously, I had a public notary come to my house last week to witness something. She was a really nice lady, had a good sense of humor, and was professional and knowledgeable enough in her field.

We got to talking and I lamented that many people in the US are very sophisticated about sports, can give you stats and even do some very in-depth analysis of how their teams are doing. Or can tell you just who might survive on the island in the Survivor show. If that is even still on. But these same people can't tell you how many houses our Congress has, or how many justices sit on the Supreme Court.

That was when she said that neither she nor her husband vote because they don't follow politics and because they don't, they know they are ignorant. So they do not vote.

I'm sitting there, mind reeling in a silent scream. She had no idea what a disgusting rotten turnip Trump is, and how criminal his whole administration is, and the things I said clearly didn't convince her. She left as determined to not vote as she came in.

So after she left I thought about the whole conversation. There are three kinds of ignorant voters, it seems:
1. People who are too lazy to follow events, and don't vote because they know they are ignorant (like my notary).

2. People who have good intentions, but are ignorant and basically pick an answer for each office. You know, the kind of people who, in high school, would not study, but then just pick 'c' most of the time. These are the folks who begin paying attention the week of, get lost in the complexity of the issues and don't really know what they are doing when they vote their ballots. These are mostly independent voters.

3. People who are propagandized through decades of fear- and hate-mongering from the right wing noise machine and vote ignorantly either to take down the liberals, or to prevent someone else from getting any public benefits, even if that means they don't get those benefits themselves. There's a book called 'Dying of Whiteness' out there that highlights a bunch of cases of that - sick old white guys that don't support expanding healthcare because they don't want the blacks to have it. Seriously. These are the hard-core racist, homophobic, xenophobic, white supremacist, bible-thumping gun nuts that make up Trump's base.

That's why letters like this open one are good, I think. The majority of Americans (God help us!) are in category '2' above. Basically decent people, if ignorant, and if they hear the truth, it will help them make more informed decisions when voting.


Rogerpatterson

(17 posts)
41. Barr admonishment of Trump
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 04:07 PM
Feb 2020

Now Barr's statement to Trump to keep his pie hole shut makes a lot more sense. You can't manage people if you don't have their respect and that's where Barr's at right now.

 

CalFione

(571 posts)
46. This is great... but isn't it really toothless?
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 05:17 PM
Feb 2020

If Barr wants to ignore this, he can.


The only thing getting Barr out will be the defeat of Trump.

Ferrets are Cool

(22,957 posts)
47. This is nice to see but will not change a thing.
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 11:21 PM
Feb 2020

The "king" has been crowned by the jester in court.

 

NotHardly

(2,705 posts)
49. Oh,so brave... except they are 'retired'... He's what my old Granfather would offer..
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 01:45 AM
Feb 2020
diese Bastarde, spät zum Tanz

These bastard are late to the dance.

lostnfound

(17,520 posts)
50. Done something braver against trump yourself?
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:27 AM
Feb 2020

Hard to see anything that works, you have better idea?

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