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Roland99

(53,342 posts)
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:18 AM Feb 2020

Russian agents plunge to new ocean depths in Ireland to crack transatlantic cables

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russian-agents-plunge-to-new-ocean-depths-in-ireland-to-crack-transatlantic-cables-fnqsmgncz

Russia has sent intelligence agents to Ireland to map the precise location of the fibre-optic, ocean-bed cables that connect Europe to America, gardai suspect. This has raised concerns that Russian agents are checking the cables for weak points, with a view to tapping or even damaging them in the future.

Ireland is the landing point for undersea cables which carry internet traffic between America, Britain and Europe. The cables enable millions of people to communicate and allow financial transactions to take place seamlessly.

Garda and military sources believe the agents were sent by the GRU, the military intelligence branch of the Russian armed forces which was blamed for the nerve agent attack in Britain on Sergei Skripal, a former Russian intelligence officer....


Well, isn’t that lovely?
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Russian agents plunge to new ocean depths in Ireland to crack transatlantic cables (Original Post) Roland99 Feb 2020 OP
Nothing to worry about. democratisphere Feb 2020 #1
I'm sure Putin has assured the Don that he didn't interfere....... lastlib Feb 2020 #13
Yeah. democratisphere Feb 2020 #19
Me too. He was so very, very strong on this....... lastlib Feb 2020 #27
Filthy Donnie probably gave them a map. Squinch Feb 2020 #2
"25 books" Kushner probably gave a copy to MBS, too Roland99 Feb 2020 #3
MBS probably owns the Washington Monument by now. Squinch Feb 2020 #4
The West could completely shut down Russia by cutting its 12 cable entry points, as well. I'm down. ancianita Feb 2020 #5
Go for it - how's your scuba ability Blues Heron Feb 2020 #6
I'm down cuz I don't have to even think about it. CA and FL are the top 2 SCUBA states. ancianita Feb 2020 #7
Real patriotic - mess with somebody elses communications Blues Heron Feb 2020 #9
Not about me v neighbor. This is nation v nation cyber warfare.I'm for defensive force for nations. ancianita Feb 2020 #10
You can't even hint at "not being nice", here on the DU. not_the_one Feb 2020 #17
This is way beyond scuba. This is deep sea territory. defacto7 Feb 2020 #15
I'm sure there are some shallow spots near where the cables surface... Blues Heron Feb 2020 #16
Not likeky in international waters. If they get close to shore maybe. defacto7 Feb 2020 #21
There are thousands. 95% of all Internet goes through oceans. Most are hidden in weird places. ancianita Feb 2020 #22
Here's another. Bay of Holland, wherever that is. ancianita Feb 2020 #23
I could probably think that we have wee little devices already in place to go "POOF".... mitch96 Feb 2020 #29
Nope. The Internet is heavy duty submarine cable worldwide. There's no poofing it. ancianita Feb 2020 #31
I bet our alphabet agency's have a "poofing" device for our russian comrades... nt mitch96 Feb 2020 #35
Not sure, since it was big infrastructure corps that built it. But maybe, though I kinda doubt it. ancianita Feb 2020 #36
Did Donnie invite them to lodge Scarsdale Feb 2020 #8
Totally likely. ancianita Feb 2020 #11
The GOP is saying, have at it! We in the GOP could care less as long as you make Russia helps us win UCmeNdc Feb 2020 #12
We have tapped their cables already ... marble falls Feb 2020 #14
If they're known to exist, Igel Feb 2020 #18
We know where they exist because we built and laid out the entire oceanic backbone with our ships. ancianita Feb 2020 #32
Just after the Russian safehouses and such were shut down there was a fun article. Igel Feb 2020 #20
It's been going on so long, it's mapped, even. ancianita Feb 2020 #24
They are at war with the West. I think they never really stopped. Hekate Feb 2020 #25
Can we admit to being under attack, yet? n/t TygrBright Feb 2020 #26
We are basically at another cold war rockfordfile Feb 2020 #28
Oops, marble falls addressed it upthread Brother Buzz Feb 2020 #30
During the Cold War, the Navy's "Operation Ivy Bells" tapped a Soviet undersea cable. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2020 #33
Putin is a pest. sarcasmo Feb 2020 #34
Easier to just post a tits and kittens gif on facebook and let microsofties download it. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2020 #37
Greenwald and Snowden were unavailable for comment... Blue_Tires Feb 2020 #38
Dear God! gembaby1 Feb 2020 #39

ancianita

(36,030 posts)
7. I'm down cuz I don't have to even think about it. CA and FL are the top 2 SCUBA states.
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 09:28 AM
Feb 2020

2014/12/17 data shows there are 3.174 million divers in America. Their data shows that 2.351 million Dive 1 to 7 times per year. 823,000 dive 8 or more times per year.

Some 55,000 Boat U.S. members are among the 3 million Americans who are certified scuba divers.

And this data is six years old.

But think about how many would love to do something so patriotic as isolating the Russian Federation from the West and the rest.

Blues Heron

(5,931 posts)
9. Real patriotic - mess with somebody elses communications
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 09:30 AM
Feb 2020

Talk is cheap, why not find a Russian in your neighborhood and go cut their land line?

ancianita

(36,030 posts)
10. Not about me v neighbor. This is nation v nation cyber warfare.I'm for defensive force for nations.
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 09:34 AM
Feb 2020

You want to let some hostile state cut your Internet? You don't think you'd be affected?

A pound of preventive force is worth a pound of net disappearance, not to mention the dissolution of nations' economic infrastructure.

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
17. You can't even hint at "not being nice", here on the DU.
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 11:42 AM
Feb 2020

We are all firmly in the "Can't we all just get along", kumbaya camp. NOT!!!



defacto7

(13,485 posts)
21. Not likeky in international waters. If they get close to shore maybe.
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 12:05 PM
Feb 2020

But that's easily spotted. Most of the cable is thousands of feet deep. Scuba is limited 100 to 200 feet which is dangerous but doable. 300 is extreme using major decompression routines, not a work environment. They'd have to have special deep sea equipment to go deeper; that's what the Russians would be doing I'm sure. Average scuba divers stay above 90 feet for safety and only for short periods at that depth... minutes. None of that is even considering the current, tide, and weather. I was certified at one time.

ancianita

(36,030 posts)
22. There are thousands. 95% of all Internet goes through oceans. Most are hidden in weird places.
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 12:09 PM
Feb 2020

Here's one example. I'll see if I can find a few other photos.

?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=54dd704290425551c2912885d96ef451

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2009/oct/23/mysterious-cable-uk-us

Global telecom hasn't been fuckin' around. See how the photo I try to post won't let me?

mitch96

(13,893 posts)
29. I could probably think that we have wee little devices already in place to go "POOF"....
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 03:56 PM
Feb 2020

sounds like cold war games...
m

ancianita

(36,030 posts)
36. Not sure, since it was big infrastructure corps that built it. But maybe, though I kinda doubt it.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:08 PM
Feb 2020

If they could, one would think they'd have probably used it by now.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
8. Did Donnie invite them to lodge
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 09:28 AM
Feb 2020

at his Irish resort while they did their dirty business? We all know how much he loves the Russians.

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
12. The GOP is saying, have at it! We in the GOP could care less as long as you make Russia helps us win
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 09:44 AM
Feb 2020

Elections!!!!!

marble falls

(57,079 posts)
14. We have tapped their cables already ...
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 10:03 AM
Feb 2020

Operation Ivy Bells

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ivy_Bells

Coordinates: 57.6°N 155.7°E
Ivy Bells cable tap is located in Kamchatka Krai
Ivy Bells cable tap
Ivy Bells cable tap
Location of the Ivy Bells cable tap.

Operation Ivy Bells was a joint United States Navy, Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), and National Security Agency (NSA) mission whose objective was to place wire taps on Soviet underwater communication lines during the Cold War.[1]

Background

During the Cold War, the United States wanted to learn more about Soviet submarine and missile technology, specifically ICBM test and nuclear first strike capability.

In the early 1970s the U.S. government learned of the existence of an undersea communications cable in the Sea of Okhotsk, which connected the major Soviet Pacific Fleet naval base at Petropavlovsk on the Kamchatka Peninsula to the Soviet Pacific Fleet's mainland headquarters at Vladivostok.[2]:172 At the time, the Sea of Okhotsk was claimed by the Soviet Union as territorial waters, and was strictly off limits to foreign vessels, and the Soviet Navy had installed a network of sound detection devices along the seabed to detect intruders. The area also saw numerous surface and subsurface naval exercises.
Installation


Despite these obstacles, the potential for an intelligence coup was considered too great to ignore, and in October 1971, the United States sent the purpose-modified submarine USS Halibut deep into the Sea of Okhotsk. Funds for the project were diverted secretly from the deep-submergence rescue vehicle (DSRV) program, and the modified submarines were shown with fake DSRV simulators attached to them. These were early diver lockouts. Divers working from Halibut found the cable in 400 feet (120 m) of water and installed a 20-foot (6.1 m) long device, which wrapped around the cable without piercing its casing and recorded all communications made over it. The large recording device was designed to detach if the cable was raised for repair.

The tapping of the Soviet naval cable was so secret that most sailors involved did not have the security clearance needed to know about it. A cover story was thus created to disguise the actual mission: it was claimed that the spy submarines were sent to the Soviet naval range in the Sea of Okhotsk to recover the Soviet SS-N-12 Sandbox supersonic anti-ship missile (AShM) debris so that countermeasures could be developed.

Although created as a cover story, this mission was actually carried out with great success: U.S. Navy divers recovered all[citation needed] of the SS-N-12 debris, with the largest debris no larger than six inches (150 mm), and a total of more than two million pieces. The debris was taken back to the U.S. and reconstructed at the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory. Based on these pieces, at least one sample was reverse engineered. It was discovered that the SS-N-12 AShM was guided by radar only, and the infrared guidance previously suspected did not exist.[3]
Use

Each month, divers retrieved the recordings and installed a new set of tapes. The recordings were then delivered to the NSA for processing and dissemination to other U.S. intelligence agencies. The first tapes recorded revealed that the Soviets were so sure of the cable's security that the majority of the conversations made over it were unencrypted. The eavesdropping on the traffic between senior Soviet officers provided invaluable information on naval operations at Petropavlovsk, the Pacific Fleet's primary nuclear submarine base, home to Yankee and Delta class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines.[2]:188

Eventually, more taps were installed on Soviet lines in other parts of the world, with more advanced instruments built by AT&T's Bell Laboratories that were nuclear-powered and could store a year's worth of data.[2]:189 Other submarines were used for this role, including USS Parche (SSN-683), USS Richard B. Russell (SSN-687), and USS Seawolf (SSN-575). Seawolf was almost lost during one of these missions—she was stranded on the bottom after a storm and almost had to use her self-destruct charges to scuttle the ship with her crew.[4]
Compromise

This operation was compromised by Ronald Pelton, a disgruntled 44-year-old veteran of the NSA, who was fluent in Russian. At the time, Pelton was $65,000 ($202,000 today) in debt, and had filed for personal bankruptcy just three months before he resigned. With only a few hundred dollars in the bank, Pelton walked into the Soviet embassy in Washington, D.C. in January 1980, and offered to sell what he knew to the KGB for money.

No documents were passed from Pelton to the Soviets, as he had an extremely good memory: he reportedly received $35,000 from the KGB for the intelligence he provided from 1980 to 1983, and for the intelligence on the Operation Ivy Bells, the KGB gave him $5,000. The Soviets did not immediately take any action on this information; however, in 1981, surveillance satellites showed Soviet warships, including a salvage vessel, anchored over the site of the tap in the Sea of Okhotsk. USS Parche was dispatched to recover the device, but the American divers were unable to find it and it was concluded that the Soviets had taken it. In July 1985, Vitaly Yurchenko, a KGB colonel who was Pelton's initial contact in Washington, D.C., defected to the United States and provided the information that eventually led to Pelton's arrest.[1]

As of 1999, the recording device captured by the Soviets was on public display at the Great Patriotic War museum in Moscow.[5]




And that wasn't the only time.

ancianita

(36,030 posts)
32. We know where they exist because we built and laid out the entire oceanic backbone with our ships.
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 04:37 PM
Feb 2020

Igel

(35,300 posts)
20. Just after the Russian safehouses and such were shut down there was a fun article.
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 12:03 PM
Feb 2020

That must have been 2016?

It reported not only on the Russian consulate in the SF, but some of its doings.

For example, for a number of years Russian consulate officials were seen up and down the western coastline in ways that made it clear either they didn't mind being seen or wanted to be seen. But the locations tended to be near main energy transfer points or, more distressingly for those not actually living on the West Coast, major communication hubs. They'd be where cables came on shore, where there were nods where cables crossed or connected.

Their presence was known. Their presence was recorded. And, like everything else at this time--during the Great Reset Delusion--ostensibly ignored. (I hope it was only "ostensibly", but given the way the GRD went, I doubt it.)

33. During the Cold War, the Navy's "Operation Ivy Bells" tapped a Soviet undersea cable.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:10 AM
Feb 2020
How Secret Underwater Wiretapping Helped End the Cold War

It's the summer of 1972 and the U.S. is in the middle of pulling off the most daring, covert, and dangerous operation of the Cold War. Only a few months before, the signing of SALT I (Strategic Arms Limitations Treaty) limited the number of nuclear missiles of the world's two largest superpowers. Yet even with this well-publicized US/Soviet détente in place, a submerged American submarine rests mere miles from the Russian coastline.

At the bottom of the Sea of Okhotsk, the U.S. nuclear submarine Halibut silently listens to the secret conversations of the Soviet Union. With the Kremlin completely unaware, Navy divers emerge from a hidden compartment (referred to as the "Bat Cave" ) and walk along the bottom of the sea in complete darkness, wiretapping the Soviet's underwater communications line.

America wiretapped this particular Soviet communications cable for maybe a decade or more—and many details remain classified. It was the U.S.'s most ambitious wiretapping operation, until this point, in its entire history. This was Operation Ivy Bells.

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Russia is conducting a war against the rest of the world, and this is just one of its operations.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,328 posts)
37. Easier to just post a tits and kittens gif on facebook and let microsofties download it.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:16 PM
Feb 2020

MS products are notorious for allowing more access to a device by outsiders than by the user.

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