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kentuck

(111,035 posts)
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:10 AM Feb 2020

One thing that Donald Trump and his supporters need to understand.

A jury does not have to consist of only people that support Donald Trump, in order to be "fair".

An investigation does not have to consist of people that voted for Donald Trump in order to be "fair".

Just because someone says something critical of Donald Trump does not make it a "hoax" and does not make them un-American.

Just because someone states a fact that Donald Trump disagrees with does not make it false.

This bullshit needs to cease.

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One thing that Donald Trump and his supporters need to understand. (Original Post) kentuck Feb 2020 OP
We saw what happened with Manafort's trial. Ilsa Feb 2020 #1
how are you going to make them understand? barbtries Feb 2020 #2
Sometimes people have to be told the obvious. kentuck Feb 2020 #3
It should be that simple, but... Wounded Bear Feb 2020 #4
You can lead people to knowledge, but you can't make them think. Marcuse Feb 2020 #15
Amen to that Marcuse DENVERPOPS Feb 2020 #35
Dimensional lumber over the head.... lastlib Feb 2020 #13
I am enjoying your comment far more than I should. CaptainTruth Feb 2020 #30
You are right, and sadly, even if a Democrat wins back the presidency this country will totodeinhere Feb 2020 #17
Very true Denis 11 Feb 2020 #18
Administering medicine to the dead? czarjak Feb 2020 #5
They don't care Nature Man Feb 2020 #6
The problem is we think they're traitors. They insist we are. CaptYossarian Feb 2020 #10
Fewer people buying his shit everyday. pwb Feb 2020 #7
It's been authoritarian thinking and strategy from the get go bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #8
It began with the "Moral Majority", increased with hate radio and FOX, and now we have the Dontator. CaptYossarian Feb 2020 #12
Our problem was we didn't Kaiserguy Feb 2020 #14
Republican propaganda is in The Wizard Feb 2020 #21
We never had the startup capital to counter all that these bastards CaptYossarian Feb 2020 #23
That's how cult mentality works. defacto7 Feb 2020 #9
'Understand'. Aristus Feb 2020 #11
You will be totally wrong about all of this... Kablooie Feb 2020 #16
I don't disagree, volstork Feb 2020 #19
The cult believes in Divine Rights of Trump The Wizard Feb 2020 #20
THE NEVER-TRUMPER LABEL blakstoneranger Feb 2020 #22
But good lord thats exactly what they THINK!!!!! I mean to a "T". oldsoftie Feb 2020 #24
I have....in grainy black and white newsreels dated 1933 circa Berlin, Germany... Moostache Feb 2020 #27
"...lose THREE FB friends..." Different Drummer Feb 2020 #29
Yes, even if you voted for him! oldsoftie Feb 2020 #32
They've been led to believe we are an existential threat to them Mr. Ected Feb 2020 #25
Naw, fair is whatever they want. Freedom is freedom for them not those they consider their lessers. Thomas Hurt Feb 2020 #26
They don't care as long as they win. cbdo2007 Feb 2020 #28
That is so far over their heads that they'll never get it Warpy Feb 2020 #31
Correct! Under The Radar Feb 2020 #33
Trump has decided that he will now take over jimlup Feb 2020 #34
Trumpers repeat what their king says Catherine Vincent Feb 2020 #36

Ilsa

(61,687 posts)
1. We saw what happened with Manafort's trial.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:13 AM
Feb 2020

I'm sure there was more than one trump voter on that jury. But one of them refused to convict on a blatantly obvious crime among the charges. She didn't uphold her oath.

The others on the jury gave me hope in believing that not all trumpers are cultists.

barbtries

(28,752 posts)
2. how are you going to make them understand?
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:51 AM
Feb 2020

they don't even think Democrats qualify as Americans, let alone "fair."

they will not do what you say they must do. it's frustrating, depressing, and about as wrong as wrong can be, but it is what it is.

kentuck

(111,035 posts)
3. Sometimes people have to be told the obvious.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:01 AM
Feb 2020

To their faces.

Including Donald Trump.

I said they "need" to understand. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.

Wounded Bear

(58,571 posts)
4. It should be that simple, but...
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:27 AM
Feb 2020

“If somebody thinks they're a hedgehog, presumably you just give 'em a mirror and a few pictures of hedgehogs and tell them to sort it out for themselves.”

― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

It doesn't always work.

DENVERPOPS

(8,780 posts)
35. Amen to that Marcuse
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:20 PM
Feb 2020

The Huff picture is hysterical, but you know what will be even more humorous
When the people are pictured, kneeling down and kissing his ring.............

I suspect that will take place prior to the election.........

lastlib

(23,117 posts)
13. Dimensional lumber over the head....
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:57 AM
Feb 2020

It may not make them see the truth, and you will break a lot of good boards, but it will be immensely gratifying.

totodeinhere

(13,056 posts)
17. You are right, and sadly, even if a Democrat wins back the presidency this country will
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 12:12 PM
Feb 2020

remain deeply divided, and the struggle will not be over.

Denis 11

(280 posts)
18. Very true
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 12:26 PM
Feb 2020

My in-laws are incensed that I'm a Democrat.
They hold my beliefs as throughly illegitimate.
They have overdosed on Fox news.

Nature Man

(869 posts)
6. They don't care
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:31 AM
Feb 2020

If we learned anything from our last Civil War, you cannot treat traitors with kid gloves, you don't seek to understand them, you don't reach across with arms outstretched to "reconcile."

We've been paying for this crap ever since the North didn't completely and utterly destroy the south and punish them for their intransigent traitorous ways.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
10. The problem is we think they're traitors. They insist we are.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:47 AM
Feb 2020

It's a brainwashed cult that's been germinating since Raygun.

bucolic_frolic

(42,980 posts)
8. It's been authoritarian thinking and strategy from the get go
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:36 AM
Feb 2020

It was plumbed during the GWB years. "Soon I will be president!" And Stephen Miller - no one shall disagree with the President!

Anyone who didn't see these clues for what they were -- brain dead in my view. Question is where are they going with it? Theft and plunder of everything public and private? Which by the way was the subcurrent of Nazi atrocities.

Kaiserguy

(740 posts)
14. Our problem was we didn't
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 12:00 PM
Feb 2020

standup to hate radio (and Fox) by offering radio based on facts and stopping the consolidation of the media into a few companies. As for standing up to Fox since our MSM has become owned by conservatives it will never stray to far from what they want. We are paying for that mistake today by the RW having a monopoly on radio and in other medias.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
23. We never had the startup capital to counter all that these bastards
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 12:52 PM
Feb 2020

had to fill empty heads with. We're the intelligent, moral, patriotic Americans who read, respect laws and each other, and love our country. The other side are greedy, hateful mofos who barely walk erect, but are callous-free.

We work our asses to make these overprivileged heirs and heiresses even more rich--then we die from the crumbs of health care THEY choose for us.

Then our offspring make their offspring even more rich, which allows for more of their G**-damned propaganda to pollute the airwaves. The BS continues. We're American serfs who can't afford to convey the truth the same way they lie.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
9. That's how cult mentality works.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:36 AM
Feb 2020

Breaking that cycle is one of the most difficult processes is psychology. It can be broken in some but not in others.

Kablooie

(18,603 posts)
16. You will be totally wrong about all of this...
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 12:10 PM
Feb 2020

If we don’t win in November.
This insanity will be instilled as the new morality for America permanently.

The Wizard

(12,527 posts)
20. The cult believes in Divine Rights of Trump
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 12:38 PM
Feb 2020

They are weird and stupid anti American cowards willing to be subservient to please their "Dear Leader." They think professional wrestling is a competitive sport and reality TV is rooted in reality. They wouldn't care if Trump seized all their possessions to pay for a golf outing. Where I grew up we called them jerkoffs.

 

blakstoneranger

(333 posts)
22. THE NEVER-TRUMPER LABEL
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 12:46 PM
Feb 2020

Is used anytime you say anything negative or critical of trump. Its a defense mechanism created by a trio of organizations, trump, conservative talk radio, and foxnews. They've spent a lot of money and time coming up with these childish, weak defenses to build and maintain a base of support for any republican candidate they choose--it just happens to be trump. But remember: THEY ARE DEDICATED REPUBLICANS WHO "HATE" DEMOCRATS. THIS TRIO WILL PROVIDE SUPPORT TO A FUNKY TURD AS LONG AS IT IS A REPUBLICAN. THAT FUNKY TURD WILL ALSO HAVE A STRONG REPUBLICAN BASE WHO WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING COMING FROM IT.
We have to worry about the independents and the centrist. These are the ones who will use common sense over childish name calling and outright lies.

We are dealing with liers and cheaters. They don't care how they win as long as they win. Lie, cheat, steal, it doesn't matter, just win--this is trump. This is why he stays in trouble.

oldsoftie

(12,479 posts)
24. But good lord thats exactly what they THINK!!!!! I mean to a "T".
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 12:58 PM
Feb 2020

NO criticism allowed.
I saw someone on FB, who is a trump voter, lose THREE FB friends because he posted the video of trump acting like a 5 yr old during the Super Bowl national anthem.
NO criticism allowed.
They all LOVED Judge Napolitano. Many suggested he be put on the SCOTUS. But now that he's criticized trump a few times, based on THE FREAKING LAW, he's now a damn pariah
I've never seen anything like it.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
27. I have....in grainy black and white newsreels dated 1933 circa Berlin, Germany...
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 03:06 PM
Feb 2020

Also in places like:

Musolini's Italy, or
Franco's Spain, or
Pol Pot's Cambodia, or
Idi Amin's Uganda, or
Jim Jones' People's Temple in Guyana, or
Marshall Applewhite's Heaven's Gate, or
David Koresh's Waco bunker

It is always the same playbook, always the same blind loyalty, always the same bad ending.
The "believers" are ALWAYS betrayed by the "leader"...led astray, sacrificed to make a distraction or get away chance, or just flat out killed outright. The "leader" then tries to make it on the lam but realizes too late that they NEED to be the center of attention and life without their cult of followers is hollow and empty - or they are captured and held to account for their crimes...

When Trump's end comes, I hope he goes out like Saddam did - hanging on a rope and being mocked as he gasps out his last breaths and claws at his throat while his eyes bulge and he shits himself. I volunteer to carry out the sentence if and when he is convicted and put to the gallows, I'll pull the lever to drop him...or I will administer the drugs for lethal injection, fire the rifle for a firing squad, hit the switch for the chair or gas chamber...I do not care how the sentence is set for him, only that it happens and that I can see its results.

In reality, his bitch ass will take to the Hitler playbook and bump off himself with poison or intentional drug OD (if Melania doesn't get him first)...

Different Drummer

(7,592 posts)
29. "...lose THREE FB friends..."
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 03:22 PM
Feb 2020

A similar thing happened to me, but I only lost one friend as a result. I tried to advise the guy to "live and let live", but he was having none of it. To Trump's cult (of which this guy is obviously a member), you're the enemy if you're not 100 percent in with the cult leader.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
25. They've been led to believe we are an existential threat to them
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:45 PM
Feb 2020

Tantamount to enemies of the state. They think we are their mirror image when we address Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton. These thoughts come from existing in a factual vacuum that disallows them from learning the truth.

The John Birch Society, aka Tea Party, has been with us from the beginning. They are immune to learning. They can only be beaten by outnumbering them, at least that's the way it used to be, before Putin took over our once fair elections.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
26. Naw, fair is whatever they want. Freedom is freedom for them not those they consider their lessers.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:48 PM
Feb 2020

Religious freedom is only for the right religion. Gov't that comes between them and their greed is not fair.

and on and on.

Warpy

(111,106 posts)
31. That is so far over their heads that they'll never get it
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:14 PM
Feb 2020

Our job is to convince them that we are all citizens of the same country and their fellow citizens who disagree with them on politics are not some sort of deadly enemy out to destroy their lives.

Thanks to Gingrich and his brand of tribalism, that is exactly how a lot of them think these days and it has to stop unless we want more of them shooting up churches and schools on the off chance there are Democrats around. They hate us that much.

Under The Radar

(3,401 posts)
33. Correct!
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:43 PM
Feb 2020

Once that narrative fails they will claim bias on the judge for not being a trump appointee which will be their next justification for a mistrial for all of those under the Trump umbrella.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
34. Trump has decided that he will now take over
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:49 PM
Feb 2020

we need to stop thinking logically and start thinking full up war.

Catherine Vincent

(34,486 posts)
36. Trumpers repeat what their king says
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:47 PM
Feb 2020

It's why I don't ever say "fake news". It's an Impeached Trump talking point.

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